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Why was there the change of composers?...wouldn't being really busy be an argument *for* him possibly being replaced? When you're signed on to 10 movies and release schedules are being constantly pushed around because nobody has a clue when theaters are going to open again, you shouldn't be surprised if eventually you might run into some conflicts.Jackman is not replacing Balfe! <br>Balfe is the most busiest composer at the moment so he isn’t going to get replaced last minute!!!!!Thank you for your replies. On IMDB she is listed.Alright, after re-listening to the score, I've made a few educated guesses of what the additional composers did, based on what we know about the score and their previous work. Note that none of this is confirmed by Hybrid, just my opinion.<br><br>Lorne Balfe: Seems to practically be a co-composer here. I hear a lot of him in this score. It seems he did Invasion (as he's known for contributing trailer music to films he works on) seemingly the suites "Brooding", "Deciphering the Signal", "Battle", and the one we know he cowrote, "Journey Suite". Based on this here's my guess as to what he contributed. <br><br>Soccent Attack - Sounds like his style, probably him arranging AllSpark and Decepticon material. <br><br>Keller's Briefing - Arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal"<br><br>Deciphering the Signal - Obviously another arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal" with Batman Begins-like action at the end.<br><br>Sam's Pink Bike Ride (Part 2) - Sounds like an arrangement of "Brooding" material. <br><br>(Possibly?) Are You LadiesMan217? - Some arrangement of "Brooding" and "Journey Suite" material, although hard to say whether the theme at 1:10 is Steve's or Lorne's. Could be Steve arranging Lorne material, as it sounds more Jablonsky-esque to me. <br><br>Autobots to the Rescue - Could be Steve imitating Batman Begins style, but sounds far too Lorne for me to not consider it a co-written track. <br><br>Sector 7 Chase - Part 1 sounds more Jablonsky than Lorne, but there's no question to me that part 2 has a lot of Balfe in there. <br><br>Where Is My Car? - Batman Begins-like again, probably Lorne solo, or Lorne and Steve<br><br>Decepticons Mobilize (Part 2) - Arrangement of "Brooding"<br><br>Freeway Fight - Battle version of Decepticon theme from "Brooding"<br><br>Stumble Bumble (Part 1) & (Part 2 Alternate) - Arrangement of "Journey Suite", second part not used in the film sounds like Steve & Lorne Combo to me. Film version of part 2 sounds pure Steve to me. <br><br>You're A Soldier Now (Parts 1 & 3) - Lorne being heavily involved in the final battle is known, and Parts 1 and 3 have arrangements of Lorne material. I'm also fairly certain that Lorne wrote the Optimus vs Megatron theme from Part 3 and "Optimus vs Megatron".<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - Finale of theme introduced in "You're A Soldier Now (Part 3)" as well as the "Journey / AllSpark" theme which could be Lorne's or Steve's. <br><br>Trevor Morris: I can infer from his work on Pirates 2, The Island, and the one track we know he worked on. <br><br>Soldiers Arrive - Not sure why, but I've always assumed this military theme was Morris'.<br><br>Arctic 1897 - Dark theme that reminds me a lot of his work from Pirates 2. <br><br>Scorponok - Known fact that he co-wrote this. <br><br>Hoover Dam - Arrangement of military theme<br><br>Transforming -  Same theme from Arctic 1897<br><br>Sam on the Roof (Part 2) - Arrangement of theme from Scorponok, though could be Steve or Lorne arranging it.<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - A slight hint to the Military theme when they begin attacking Blackout, and Scorponok theme reprisal, once again could be Steve or Lorne arranging these themes. <br><br>Creeper Suite / A Call to Arms (Unused) - Original music for Optimus' Epilogue, contains arrangement of military theme. <br><br>Jay Flood: Can be inferred from his work on Transformers: The Game, his overall more orchestral writing, and his contributions to Nightmare on Elm Street, Sims 3, and Desperate Housewives. <br><br>Camaro on the Run - Definitely has a TF: The Game sound to it overall. As well as a bit of Thomas Newman-esque music. <br><br>Witwicky (Parts 1-3) - Definitely some of his style here along with Steve's overall Desperate Housewives-esque music. <br><br>Decepticons 2 Suite / Frenzy - The suspenseful strings make me think of Flood's Nightmare on Elm Street work, and the brass writing seems more characteristic of him than Jablonsky to me, though it was still probably a co-written suite. <br><br>Tense Action Suite - Once again reminds me of Flood's Nightmare suspenseful string writing, probably at least co-composed with Jablonsky. <br><br>Clay Duncan - I can guess somewhat based on his contributions to "The Island" but otherwise I don't know much about him so I'm not sure about any of the inferences I'm about the make. <br><br>Angry Camaro - This sort of drone music sounds like it could be him as his contributions were very electronic in The Island.<br><br>Bumblebee vs Barricade - Strange electronics and sounds plus more minimalist writing make me think Duncan. <br><br>Tow Truck Charge - Definitely has The Island's sound. Could be Trevor Morris too. <br><br>TJ Lindgreen: I know so little about his style except he works with Elfman and did additional music for TF: The Game so not much I can say for what he did. <br><br>Belly Shot(?) - The ethereal choir style sounds somewhat like TF: The Game's score and Elfman's choir. <br><br>Not to Hear That(?) - Maybe he composed this motif for Mikaela that also appeared in "Belly Shot". <br><br>Surreal Mikaela(?) - Once again I'm hoping the specific choir sound is part of his style. <br><br>Anything I didn't mention is a track I'm assuming is all Jablonsky. Please note that I'm not trying to take away from Steve's work on this score, and that for most of these track I'm assuming Steve had some involvement in as well, I'm just speculating for fun because I've always wanted to know who did what on this score.
LP sadly, but it's also on Spotify.Technical reasons ! lol ;)<br><br>But she was there.Most welcome news. Should be a nice replacement for the Fantastic Beasts score that will have to have been pushed off. I imagine his work on Jungle Cruise will be great as well. 2021 is looking pretty exciting for score releases!She definitely performed on the score, I don't know why she is uncredited...The poster shows Lorne Balfe as the composer.<br><br>But then it also did have Desplat!
So no solo cello by Tina Guo? Is it digital then or is it no cello?CD or LP release?Why is Lorne Balfe not nominated for a Grammy for Ad Astra ?To my understanding, James never worked for Hans or Remote Control. They’re simply friends and have collaborated on a few projects. Powell (and Gregson-Williams) used to work at Remote Control before moving on to his own studio/endeavors. <br><br>BUT, I am equally as excited for James to return to Disney Animation. Very excited for this and Jungle Cruise.I guess James Newton Howard doesn't count as a Remote Control composer anymore (and yet John Powell does? I don't get it), but anyway, he's scoring Disney Animation Studios' Raya and the Last Dragon. After his epic trilogy of Dinosaur, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet, I welcome his return to the studio!
Some original cue titles with slates from a music mixing CD-R:<br>1M13 Transactions<br><br>2M16 Jake Gets Stoned<br>2M20A Alley<br>2M21 Rapists Castration<br><br>3M24 My Old Division<br>3M27 Go Fetch Dog<br>3M30 The Freeway<br>3M32 Alonzo Steals Money<br>3M33 Into The Jungle<br><br>4M41 Safety Is First / Busting Into Rogers<br><br>5M46 Helicopter<br>5M48 Sunset / Wet Streets<br>5M51 Jake Gets Beaten<br>5M52 Smiley Calls His Cousin<br><br>6M57 On The Roof<br>6M58 Jake Lands On Car<br><br>7M61 Alonzo Dies<br>7M63 Sun ShotMovie credits:<br><br>Music by Hans Zimmer & David Fleming<br><br>Music Supervisor: Joe Rudge<br><br>Score Produced by Hans Zimmer<br>Supervising Music Editor: Ryan Rubin<br>Music Editor: Nate Underkuffler<br>Music Production Services: Steven Kofsky<br>Additional Music by Ben Powell<br>Featured Guitar Soloist: Derek Trucks<br>Score Mixed by Seth Waldmann<br>Score Mix Assistant: Aldo Arechar<br>Technical Score Engineer: Chuck Choi<br>Technical Assistants: James Grimwade, Aldo Arechar, Steven Doar & Fabio Marks<br>Synth Programming: Hans Zimmer<br>Digital Instrument Design: Mark Wherry<br>Digital Instrument Preparation: Taurees Habib, Raul Vega, David Naroth & Paul Salerno<br>Studio Manager for Remote Control Productions: Shalini Singh<br>Assistant to Hans Zimmer: Cynthia Park<br>Score Mixed at Remote Control Productions, Santa Monica CA<br>Music Clearances: Jessica Dolingerthats trueCan't think of a more meaningless and laughable award than the oscar for this one? nahh...<br>maybe he gets a nomination for dune or bond

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  1. Gap (8:07)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, David Fleming, Andy Page
  2. Dark (4:27)
    Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
  3. Frameshift (8:15)
    Hans Zimmer, David Fleming, Andy Page
  4. Amity (5:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro (Henry Purcell)
  5. Intimate (10:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, David Fleming, Andy Page
  6. Negative (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  7. Deletion (4:51)
    Hans Zimmer, David Fleming, Andy Page
  8. Reckless (9:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  9. Insertion (7:56)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, David Fleming
  10. Coda (4:40)
    Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
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badbu reply Replies: 2 || 2020-10-27 14:45:59
here is the complete cue list:

1M7A Car Crash - Part 1 //HZ,AP
1M7B Car Crash - Part 2 //HZ,DF
1M8 X-Manor / Title Card //HZ,SM
1M10 Pre Space Mission //HZ,SM,AP
1M11 X-Men Find Shuttle //HZ,SM
1M12 Commander Left Behind //HZ,DF
1M13 Solar Flare //HZ,DF
1M14 X-Men Return
1M15 Raven Confronts X
1M16A Examining Jean
1M16B Jean / Scott Kiss //HZ,DF
2M18 Smith Looks For Luna
2M21/22 Party / Jean Unconscious //HZ,SM,AP
2M23 Cerebro //HZ,DF
2M24A Inside Jean's Mind //HZ,DF
2M24B Need To See My Father //HZ,DF
2M25 Alien Meeting //HZ,SM
2M26 Jean Visits Dad //HZ,DF,AP
2M28 Jean Standoff //HZ,DF
2M28B Jean Standoff - Part 2 //HZ,AP
2M29 Raven Impaled
Funeral (Aeneas) //HZ,SM
3M32 Smith Visits Dad //HZ,SM
3M33 The Island //HZ,DF
3M34 Island Standoff //HZ,SM,DF
3M35 Peace Has Been Shattered
3M36 Hello Jean //HZ,SM
3M39 Smith Shows Jean Force
4M40A Sadneto
4M40B The Helmet
4M41/42 NY Street Fight //HZ,SM
4M43A Staircase Standoff - Part 1 //HZ,DF
4M43B Staircase Standoff - Part 2 //HZ,DF,AP
4M44 Jean Transfers Force //HZ,SM
Train Tension - Part 1 //HZ,SM
Train Tension - Part 3 //HZ,SM
4M46 Aliens Attack //HZ,SM
5M48/49 Train Flashback //HZ,DF
5M50 Protect My Family
5M51 Break Things //HZ,DF
5M52 Train Wreckage Fight //HZ,DF
5M53 My Emotions //HZ,SM
Coda - Part 1 //HZ,DF
Coda - Part 2 //HZ,DF
End Credit 1 - Space Scene //HZ,DF
End Credit 2 2M24A
End Credit 3 2M26
End Credit 4 2M24B
End Credit 5 2M25
End Credit 6 4M46
End Credit 7 2M21/22

Knight2020-10-27 20:26:59
"complete" that's cute, here's an actual list (still not really complete but whatever)

1m07a Car Crash, pt. I
Hans Zimmer, Andy Page
1m07b Car Crash, pt. II
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
1m08 X-Manor / Title Card
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
1m10 Pre-Space Mission
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page
1m11 X-Men Find Shuttle
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
1m12 Commander Left Behind
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
1m13 Solar Flare
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
1m14-15 X-Men Return / Raven Confronts X
1m16a Examining Jean
1m16b Jean & Scott Kiss
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
2m18 Smith Looks for Luna
2m21-22 Party / Jean Unconscious
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page
2m23 Cerebro
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
2m24a Inside Jean’s Mind
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
2m24b Need to See My Father
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
2m25 Alien Meeting
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
2m26 Jean Visits Dad
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming, Andy Page
2m28 Jean Standoff, pt. I
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
2m28b Jean Standoff, pt. II
Hans Zimmer, Andy Page
2m29 Raven Impaled
2m30s Funeral Source
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro (Henry Purcell)
3m32 Smith Visits Dad
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
3m33 The Island
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
3m34 Island Standoff
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, David Fleming
3m35 Peace has Been Shattered
3m36 Hello Jean
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
3m39 Smith Shows Jean Force
4m40a Sadneto
4m40b The Helmet
4m41-42 NY Street Fight
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
4m43a Staircase Standoff, pt. I
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
4m43b Staircase Standoff, pt. II
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming, Andy Page
4m44 Jean Transfers Force
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
4m45a Train Tension, pt. I
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
4m45b Train Tension, pt. II
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro (Henry Purcell)
4m45c Train Tension, pt. III
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
4m46 Aliens Attack
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
5m48-49 Train Flashback
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m50 Protect My Family
5m51 Break Things
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m52 Train Wreckage Fight
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m53 My Emotions
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
5m54a Coda, pt. I
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming (Henry Purcell)
5m54b Coda, pt. II
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m55a End Credits, pt. I (Space Scene)
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m55b End Credits, pt. II (2m24a)
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m55c End Credits, pt. III (2m26)
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m55d End Credits, pt. IV (2m24b)
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
5m55e End Credits, pt. V (2m25)
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
5m55f End Credits, pt. VI (4m46)
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
5m55g End Credits, pt. VII (2m21-22)
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

badbu2020-10-28 07:01:23
okay wow...that’s a huge difference :D...

e reply Replies: 0 || 2020-09-29 00:42:30
Not only is the album fun as a concept album, it's a surprisingly good score to picture. The themes are really clear for each of the characters and the music really fits the action. Even though the action is kind of corny. Real underrated gem.

I finally watched the film and even though it's a sort of 5 or 6 out of 10 average/okay movie, it reminded me just how much personality gets injected when Hans Zimmer does the score. He really has a strong voice.

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nvictor reply Replies: 5 || 2020-09-22 11:41:05
what an incredible album! it is getting very close to my personal favorite which is dunkirk. there is so much mastery in both. one thing that dunkirk has that this album doesn't have is a sense of repetition. both albums have some kind of non-finality. with dunkirk, i feel transported back to the beginning. with this one, i am not sure what comes next.

Hans and team probably have their share of anecdotes but here's another one.

i was playing this one day and my friend's daughter asked me if this was from... she hesitated and asked: the dark phoenix movie? i was astonished. she is 12 and probably not into movie scores. but she was able to pinpoint the right movie from a random part. that's something many aspire to. especially with the millions of super heroes movies out there!

i told her how impressed i was and went on unleashing my Hans Zimmer collection onto her haha :)

Chaval :)2020-09-24 05:26:26
That's great. I personally like Dark Phoenix more than dunkirk, I feel pretty good visiting Xperiments.

The funny thing (and I can identify with your anecdote), is that every time I do homework with my son, I put music on him (not just Hans), but he also gets to recognize just by listening to a fragment or the main theme, a example is le petit prince, the lion king and the hobbit., among others recognizes them. He's only 4 years old and I'm funny because he asks me for music to do his battles.
quite an experience haha

MrZimmerFan2020-09-24 12:07:50
Dark Phoneix is more playable than Dunkirk, more thematic in my opinion, and don't agree with that opinions saying are the same, specially when Dark Phoenix has more in common with the early 2010s and some of the 90s score by Zimmer.

GR72020-09-26 20:13:06
I agree guys. Yhis album and parts of the experiments are vey enjoyable. I tend to listen to OST prriodically, and each year there is one or severall scores that replace what I listen the most, and so on... but Dark phoenix is one I can listen every time.
I made personal suites assembling music from the OST and mixing it with expremients, and it results in a 50 min suites album, I really like it.

Anonymous2020-09-27 18:22:09
@GR7 that sounds really cool care to share?

Chaval :)2020-09-27 19:12:26
that would be great

badbu reply Replies: 8 || 2020-05-14 06:29:12
is there anywhere a complete cue sheet list?

Hybrid Soldier2020-05-14 11:14:29
This is what I could find so far :


badbu2020-05-14 13:48:52
oh wow! thanks hybrid :)
i think the cue "X MANOR TITLE CARD" is the cue where they stand infront of the school. i want this so much :D but anyways, thank you hybrid :)

Knight2020-05-14 23:22:14
Any idea what's up with the Space Scene credit? Did Steve have a hand in the Xperiments version or is he credited for the X-Men theme?

badbu2020-05-15 07:40:35
END CREDIT 1 SPACE SCENE (HZ DF) -> Hans and David
Steve also did a lot of variations of the theme. You can listen to it on his website

Secret Anonymous2020-07-04 04:20:16
@hybrid soldier
Where can i hear the songs you have listed out? I can't find it on YouTube

badbu 2020-07-05 10:29:32
it‘s unreleased...

Michael Hayko 2020-09-11 10:18:10
When Dark Phoenix was first released in the theaters I've been looking in on this site and ask Mr. Zimmer whan we can all expect a physical CD. Not once has he ever responded nor any of his minions. Bottom line is I really don't think he cares that much since his live concerts are doing so well and taking up so much of this time. Couple of you replied down below that the delay is been caused by technical difficulties, the technical difficulty is that Zimmer didn't compose the score by himself. He utilized three other composers. You can imagine the contract negotiations have gone to hell and have been a cluster F---! Thus Zimmer doesn't care; it's not a profitable endeavor!!

Randy Watson2020-09-11 10:28:37
@Michael Hayko

I don't know where you asked Zimmer, but (as far as I know) he doesn't post on this site. This is not Hans Zimmer's official site.

Also the film was a huge bomb at the Box Office, so I don't many record companies see this as a viable release.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2020-04-16 01:34:46
There's an extremely disturbing frequency/tone in "Negative" that drove my tinnitus/hyperacusis through the wall. It's like nails on a chalkboard, but turned up to 10. Anyone hear it?

TomofPoland reply Replies: 4 || 2020-01-08 19:26:52
Helo, does anyone have lyrics? I think it's Sanskrit?

nvictor2020-01-09 07:27:32
check loire cotler on youtube, she has a channel there. i don't think the language she came up with means anything but i could be wrong

TomofPoland2020-01-21 09:50:52
almost sure that first line is " Mah&#257;tm&#257; sisaGgrAmayiSu " in Sanskrit: "great soul wishing to start a war"

TomofPoland2020-01-21 09:51:56
Mahatma sisaGgrAmayiSu ...

TomofPoland2020-02-03 13:34:06
I've wrote to Loire, she confirmed that txt is not Sanskrit but inspired

Mephariel reply Replies: 6 || 2019-06-07 08:14:16
I think this is solid Zimmer effort. It is not mind-blowing great like Interstellar or The Lion King or Gladiator, but a very interesting score. It is a mixture of melodic, reflective, and abstract Zimmer all at once.

"Insertion" is truly Zimmer at his power anthem glory. I think "Gap" and "Coda" are solid themes as well. The end of "Intimate" has some of the best action section, but too bad it is so short.

Paul2019-06-07 10:45:10
What tracks are more “power anthems” ??

Anonymous2019-06-07 14:44:46
Am I the only one who thought Interstellar was just okay? It had a few great tracks, like "Mountains" but a lot of it was just kind of loud and obnoxious for me.

And the mixing for the movie was entirely too loud, particularly during the black hole scene before the tesseract. Hans said during an interview that he told Nolan that he thought that music was too loud, and Nolan told him that it was his movie and he could do what he wanted.

Ds2019-06-07 15:56:10
That story was about the ending of The Dark Knight, I think :-p

Mephariel2019-06-07 16:17:43
Not sure why people think Interstellar is loud. Maybe the mixing is loud in some parts of the film, but compared to other Zimmer score like Chappie, Interstellar isn't even loud.

umambdz2020-01-12 02:14:50
1. Coda
2. Gap
3. Reckless
4. Insertion
5. Intimate
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nvictor2020-01-12 17:05:05

i agree. interstellar music's greatness has been blown out of proportion but for various reasons. the big one, for me at least, is right moment right time. dundirk, one of my favorites, was both a great picture and music. but the project did not land at a good moment...

Iamtommie44 reply Replies: 1 || 2020-01-09 14:58:16
I was just looking at the release schedule of movies in 2020.

Spongebob: May 22
WW1984: June 5
Top Gun: June 26

That is 3 movies with a score from Hans Zimmer in 1 month!. Insane!

Moggyman2020-01-10 00:51:21
Iamtommie44, And considering that Hans is now scoring No Time To Die (which is basically his ultimate fan service) and Dune, it looks like this is going to be one of his best years yet.

AFN reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-24 00:18:43
hola la banda sonora de DARK PHOENIX es muy buena, recomindo que deberian lanzar un LP de esta fantastica banda sonora.

Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2019-11-20 01:31:56
Hybrid, is Zimmer really attached to Space Jam 2?

Anonymous2019-11-20 15:18:43
Whoah Whoah Whoah Whoah Whoah. Whoah. Space Jam2?! You aren’t serious.

George2019-11-20 15:56:08
I noticed that the other day as well on IMDB. I know that’s not always reliable, but that would be awesome if he was involved. I’ve missed the “fun” side of Zimmer for awhile. The next couple of years hopefully produce a number of Zimmer classics.

BC reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-19 16:06:25
Anyone own the 24bit FLAC version? I bought it expecting to here a difference between that and the mp3 version and they kinda sound the same to me. Just curious on if anyone else had the same observation.

e reply Replies: 24 || 2019-07-21 10:50:35
He mentions the Dark Phoenix second CD here. 20:33 onwards.

https: // v=mHmKZbUZiIA

"I did a film recently that got away, but we wrote 16 hours of music. We're actually fighting to get another CD released because the film didn't do anything, just to have it out there. Because you can't use again in something else, so it'd be nice to have it out there. So that it doesn't disappear into a rubbish bin".

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-21 10:58:22
And I can tell you Hans brought the matter to the very head of Disney Music... Everyone seems game to release it, just need to work out some technicalities...

badbu2019-07-21 11:44:41
i can't wait!!!!!!!

Ahmad2019-07-21 13:39:25
It's comforting to get a reconfirmation that it's coming.
Now we'll just have to cross our fingers that the process doesn't take months like that one other release ;)

Which one will be out first: End Credits or X-Periments? :P

Max2019-07-21 18:05:58
This is great news.Maybe Balfe’s scores to Ghost in the Shell now can get released.
Over 6000 people have signed the petition for Ghost.

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-21 18:57:53
No GITS cannot be released, it's technically not possible... That's why Lorne leaked his part of the score himself...

Scorefan2019-07-22 05:11:31
16 hours of music?
Can we hear those 16 hours of music one day?

badbu2019-07-22 07:13:27
@Ahmad i think end credits :P

Reckless2019-07-23 21:14:43
This is promising! I'm keeping my fingers crossed and praying to the score gods at Disney that this is going to finally get released, but I'm also preparing for the possibility that I'll have to wait a year or two for the complete score to leak.

badbu2019-07-24 08:57:13
the only cue i want from the complete score is the piano cue (Jean & Charles "school"). But i want to hear the ideas and suites!!! :D i can't wait for it :-)

Nicklas2019-07-25 17:52:14
Halleluja awesome news!!!
Considering the big amount of work Hans put into it, this is awesome!
I really hope it will get a official release on iTunes, Apple Music and Spotify so we can listen to it without problems.

A Fan2019-07-27 08:59:56
>> No GITS cannot be released, it's technically not possible... That's why Lorne leaked his part of the score himself...

What does "technically not possible" mean in this context? Is the harddrive which was used to store the music not working? This would be a technical problem. The music by Mansell would be great to listen to...

Why not leak those 16h of music for Dark Phoenix aswell? ;-)
Or even better, release a signed box set for $400-500, limited to 1000 or 2000 items. I'm sure it will sell out. I certainly would buy one :)

Why can't the unused music used in another movie? HGW once told us in a workshop that he has a lot of unreleased music and that he could use it in other movies if he wants to.

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-27 09:31:26
GITS cannot be released for various legal reasons.

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-27 11:55:38
On the other points, why not leak it ? Because for GITS it was Lorne's choice to do it...

And 16 hours, well it was specifically quite a lot but on all scores there happens to be hours of music left on the side. Hans wrote I'll Do Anything several times, or Matchstick Men, or Rango...

And about reusing it, of course that happens. He's exagerating. If the music belongs to the studio, he can't reuse it (even if it ends up not used in the film it was written for), but if he owns it (and that's the case for all this unused/rejected Dark Phoenix material), he could technically do whatever he wants with it.

Powell is a master at keeping ideas somewhere and use it for the correct project. But Hans does it from time to time too. A famous piece from Gladiator was written for another film a few years before...

Sam2019-07-27 14:27:54
Hybrid, who has the rights for 'Tears of the Sun'? Zimmer or any studio? Who owns the music? If Zimmer owns his music, is there any chance to release that one under the RCP label like Dark Phoenix?

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-27 15:50:50
Big studios own their music...

Hans owns his music for indepedent films mostly like 12 Years A Slave, The Little Prince, Widows, Freeheld, Brave Miss World, Chappie, Rush, The Pacific, Millennium, The Last Face, Mr Morgan's Lat Love, The Power Of One...

Edmund Meinerts2019-07-27 16:42:42
I'd love to learn more about ideas that Zimmer or Powell have been holding on ice, waiting for the right project to come along...I know there was that one old Powell promo/showreel full of demo versions of themes that would end up in lots of his scores, but I've never actually heard that one.

e2019-07-27 19:08:14
That's one reason I might buy this CD. If the CD has cool concepts and is a moderate success it'd be fun to hear some of the other "unfiltered" concepts/demos. In many Hans scores in particular the suites more precisely communicate the intent of the music than the score.

David2019-07-29 02:46:09
what was the Gladiator piece originally from another film??

JK2019-08-27 08:00:12
For people still pondering why The Ghost in the Shell score portions done by Clint Mansell won't be released ever, it's simple: test screeners! Clint and his team composed music for a majority of the philosophical parts which test screeners hated so much especially the original ending of the film where Kuze and Major come together in the mind. As a result of the test screenings, the philosophical elements were cut resulting in huge chunk of the Mansell team's music getting pulled aside, though a portion of the action themes done by Kevin Kiner remained with Lorne taking over the score with a revised third act with a more optimistic ending for potential sequels! So there, thank the test screeners who preferred pew pew movies over philosophical films that explained things! If you don't believe me, go to reddit and others will say the same thing!

Anonymous2019-08-27 13:11:30
ghost in the Shell was problematic from the beginning when they cast a white Woman to play a Japanese character

Knight2019-08-27 13:32:44
> problematic
Ah shit here we go again

meta2019-08-31 15:23:39
Whats sad is that this is the last 20th century Fox movie I will ever see again...At least this one was scored by Hans.

jaa2019-11-06 23:31:56
It's ironic Hans Zimmer scored the last Spider-Man and X-men films before the main characters join the MCU!

Hybrid Soldier2019-11-07 17:55:06
While he helped scoring the very first MCU film !

John G reply Replies: 0 || 2019-09-09 16:22:22
So I've finished watching the movie for a second time. Here's my input:

Gap, Amity, Intimate, Negative, & Insertion are pretty much untouched. Dark is chopped up to fit the picture, and Frameshift, Reckless, & Coda have alternative, extended takes compared to what we actually hear in the album.

Still one of Zimmer's best. It's no Man Of Steel, but it's still a great listen.

badbu reply Replies: 0 || 2019-09-03 11:09:43
is there a cuesheet from the complete score available?

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2019-09-02 22:39:29
The last minute and 50 seconds of Coda are beautiful. It would be stupid to try and glean too much about a composer from their music, but I wonder if Hans has a melancholy temperament. Cause he does sad stuff really well, to me.

Mephariel2019-09-03 02:11:15
Yep, I think Coda is best track in the album, rival only by "Gap" and "X-SS" on the Xperiments album.

Michael Hayko reply Replies: 9 || 2019-07-29 03:17:11
WTF! So when is a CD of Dark Phoenix going to be released already! And why isn't Hans Zimmer more proactive on how his music is released? How could he settle for a digital download? I feel he's betraying his fans by not insisting that a CD be released immediately! Not so long ago when a film was released the soundtrack would be released as well. I guess those days are gone.

Kekec2019-07-29 15:10:52
I don't blame Zimmer for this, it's more to do with the studios in question. But otherwise I agree; I, too, miss the days when score CDs came with the movies. ItS getting rarer and rarer these days. :(

nvictor2019-07-30 00:23:43
to be honest guys, is CD really better than digital nowadays? maybe you guys can tell... but i can't. i am happy enough with digital (no DRM...)

Ahmad2019-07-30 11:37:18
Well, you can actually purchase Hi-Res 24-bit 44.1/48/96/192 kHz digitally which is "technically" better than what you would get on a CD (16-bit 44.1 kHz). But does that difference matter? Not sure. Though having those versions available is really good in cases like Dark Phoenix.

Now, I really do like to buy physical releases (CD and sometimes vinyl). It's nice to have the artwork and additional information, but it's not the end of the world if one movie doesn't get a release - knowing the circumstances. At least we got it digitally, legally and it's easily obtained.

Randy Watson2019-07-30 14:33:09
"WTF! So when is a CD of Dark Phoenix going to be released already! And why isn't Hans Zimmer more proactive on how his music is released? How could he settle for a digital download? I feel he's betraying his fans by not insisting that a CD be released immediately!"

So! Much! Entitlement!

Hybrid Soldier2019-07-30 14:37:06
Yes, especially for someone who's not trying to understand WHY...

I explained on the other page (for Xperiments) why it's not gonna happen.

Patrick2019-08-07 02:38:59
For me, the CD isn't so much about quality, but the experience. It's something tangible. It's reading the insert while listening to the score for the first time on CD. Just like they did with Vinyls at their peak. It's a collectable item. It's the artwork and the love that goes into the physical copy. I rather have that than a digital album cover and downloaded songs. I am realistic industry is moving forward and change must be embraced. It is just more sad than anything. Could Dunkirk be the last CD I ever bought from Hans? Maybe. But if so, then it's fine. One final thought, to me It is hard to justify paying $10 or so for something I can't feel in my hands. I know that sounds stupid. I paid the ridiculous price for the illuminated star projection edition of Interstellar just because it was special. I am sad to see that special touch go away. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

Kekec2019-08-07 18:02:28
I'm absolutely with you, Patrick. While I'm glad the score (and other scores) come out at least as downloads, I do not like this trend at all. I only hope that the nostalgia for CDs will come soon just as it came for vinyls...

Daledebil2019-08-25 15:20:52
For me it's easy.
If there is a cd version I buy it. If there is only digital version.....NO
I'll pay for music while there are physical format (only cd really). I'm not interested in pay for downloads,Spotify, etc

tilibro2019-08-26 00:54:38
And streaming practically dominates how the majority listen to music. Physical media is costly and expensive to manufacture and don't sell very well in stores as everyone prefers to to use Spotify and getting the same album for free. Same goes for movies and TV shows as well with Netflix.

nvictor reply Replies: 3 || 2019-08-10 19:48:20
i noticed a few new music incorporating that vocal instrument / rhythm into them. this is really telling! i knew it wasn't going to go unnoticed. just like the drone bass and rhythm from dunkirk inspired many. RCP is always pushing the game forward imo : )

Der Profl2019-08-10 20:07:03
Which new music do you mean in particular? I really like the voice as an rhythmical insturment, so I would like to hear more of it.

nvictor2019-08-10 20:40:28
so youtube lol... :) well in particular what Daniel James put out. he never explicitly said he was trying to achieve these vocal rhythms but that's how i felt. the tune is called "mild cheddar". and then i came across Loire Cotler looking into it and found she worked on DP! so maybe she is perhaps the real inspiration.

Der Profl2019-08-10 22:38:51
Thank you for your answer. Loire Cotler is really impressive though.

John G reply Replies: 0 || 2019-08-08 16:15:18
Wouldn’t it be great if Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman, and Harry Gregson-Williams got together (either live or in the studio) to mix their X-Men scores with each other? That would be a MASTERPIECE.

Watcher reply Replies: 1 || 2019-07-26 20:53:17
In the end credits there is a soundtrack that is not included in those above. It's like a stronger version of GAP. Anyone know its name?

Ahmad2019-07-26 21:20:49
It’s unreleased and I’d assume it’s called End Credits or End Titles in the cuesheet :) There are a lot of interesting variations of the many themes in that track. I think we might hear the same or similar ideas in X-Periments. If not, we’ll have it in lossless surround in about a month.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2019-07-25 21:26:27
Xperiments is officially coming, August 2nd! Filmmusicreporter confirmed it. And the track titles are...interesting haha.

1. X-HZT (17:27)
2. X-X (5:59)
3. X-LGDP (8:07)
4. X-SI (6:25)
5. X-HD (3:32)
6. X-MP (3:21)
7. X-MT (5:03)
8. X-TX (8:48)
9. X-MDP (9:06)
10. X-F (3:56)
11. X-CH (4:58)
12. X-SS (2:01)

Any guesses? HZT is probably "Hans Zimmer Theme" but that's about all I can figure out.

badbu 2019-07-25 21:38:46
Yeeeeehhhhh!!!! 1 week!!! Yessss :-)

Knight2019-07-25 21:59:33
Hooray! Another victory for music lovers

Ahmad2019-07-25 23:27:51
@badhu it seems we’re getting CD-2 first afterall :P

I’m beyond happy and I feel very, very hyped right now!

The titles tho - what a riddle XD
3- X-Let’s Go Dark Phoenix!

e2019-07-25 23:28:34
Awesome! Looking forward to hearing the ideas he came up with! The titles are odd.

badbu2019-07-26 13:10:49
hahaha :D oh man me too!!! i'm soooo hyped!!!
can't wait for it :-)

badbu reply Replies: 2 || 2019-07-18 15:09:08
Deleted Scenes:
Edwards Air Force Base
Charles Returns Home
Mission Prep
Beast MIA
Charles Says Goodbye
Rise of the Phoenix: The Making of Dark Phoenix (5-Part Documentary)
Scene Breakdown: The 5th Avenue Sequence88
How to Fly Your Jet to Space with Beast
Audio Commentary by Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker
*Commentary available on Blu-ray, iTunes Extras and Movies Anywhere only
no Hans (making of) and no isolated score :/ damn...

Ahmad2019-07-18 16:28:51
Wasn't expecting any of that so I'm not disappointed :D

badbu2019-07-18 17:15:40
haha that’s true :D

LS100 Studios reply Replies: 4 || 2019-07-10 22:21:13
Wasn't a fan of this score on my first listen, and I'm not a fan of the film either - but I like the new themes Zimmer wrote and how they're weaved throughout the score. Thought I'd analyze the themes and how they recur in the score.

Zimmer made three major recurring themes - the new X-Men theme, the Phoenix theme, and Magneto's newest theme. "Amity" might contain a motif too, I discuss that more below.

1. "Gap" debuts the new X-Men theme, with various renditions throughout before the Phoenix theme debuts up at the end. Love how the X-Men theme starts off quiet, wish we had more of that in the score.

2. "Dark" is a suite for the Phoenix theme, it has various renditions of it too.

3. "Frameshift" starts off with the Phoenix theme, and then debuts Magneto's motif. The Phoenix theme returns more quietly through the track, then builds up to a violent rendition towards the end.

4. "Amity" is mostly gloomy ambience from the sound of it, but after listening to the whole score it seems like a theme of mourning. It plays after Mystique dies, and again after the loss of Jean. So I guess this counts as a fourth theme?

5. "Intimate" starts off with some uncertain vibes, then transitions to a more ethereal score. Magneto's theme returns, this time in full, with the full theme playing around 6:42. We're welcomed to more renditions of the X-Men theme during the NY skirmish.

6. "Negative" doesn't feature any of the other themes - save for a bit of the X-Men theme towards the end. This track might be a theme for the D'Bari, I think it's when Jessica Chastain takes the Phoenix force.

7. "Deletion" opens with Magneto's theme, and transitions to a violent rendition of the Phoenix theme, which continues through much of the track. The end of the track gave me some Ottman vibes.

8. "Reckless" starts off with a short piano theme - seriously thought Ottman's "Hope" theme was gonna' start at 0:35, haha. It's then followed by the gloomy theme from "Amity", can't remember what scene. Much of this track, similarly to "Gap", contains renditions of the new X-Men theme. An action rendition of Magneto's theme starts around 7:20.

9. "Insertion" starts off with Magneto's theme, its last appearance in the score - followed by a calmer version of the Phoenix theme, which leads to a more violent rendition of it. The theme quiets down to an eerie rendition of the Phoenix theme halfway through the track, and builds up to another violent rendition. The track concludes with a choral arrangement which kind of reminds me of the ending for "Terraforming" from Man of Steel.

10. "Coda" wraps up the score with a reprise of the mourning theme from "Amity". Splices in some bits of the X-Men theme too, and some piano notes towards the middle are derived from the Phoenix theme. Also uses some of the Phoenix chants towards the end. All in all a nice hopeful track to wrap up the film.

Might be some mistakes or things I missed. Hoping for that second score to release, I'd love to see Zimmer's ideas/sketchbook for the film.

nvictor2019-07-11 03:26:02
i identified four themes too. roughly in the order you describe them. two in gap -- although i am not familiar with x-men scores, so i didn't know about the new x-men theme. dark is by far my favorite track. and frameshift -- in my head, without seeing the movie -- is a theme that feels like a transition to evil. now that i read your comment, that phoenix theme is "that" villain theme in my head. and the magneto theme in frameshift is "that" transition. at least to me...

now, amity is where i am hearing the progression from Dido's Lament by Henry Purcell. a few people mentioned it was the inspiration for the score. since i have been paying attention to it, i am finding that other parts and themes blend so well with it or complement it well. the same thing with all the other themes. they blend so well that one could have started as chords or accompaniment for the other. and later turned into its own theme.

i am hoping to figure out how all these themes came from amity or from one another. and pray we get that 2nd CD that will have suites because it will solve everything :)

mpolonest123 2019-07-11 04:05:24
“Negative” is definitely the villain theme for Jessica Chastain, it also opens up the first two minutes of “Intimate”.

Great breakdown, there is still so much with the score to dissect. I love the way the Purcell motif from “Amity” recurs throughout the score, transforming into an action variation in “Reckless”.

Ahmad2019-07-11 13:13:47
I was going to do a similar analysis but got too lazy :P

Dark (or the first section of it) actually plays right after Gap in the film. Starts with Jean waking up and them arriving at the school.

I love how Hans sprinkled the new X-Men theme and Amity all over the score. The piano at the beginning of Reckless is actually part of the new X-men theme "Gap" and the big conclusion at the end of "Insertion" is a variation on the theme as well.

I count at least five unique themes:
1- The new X-Men theme
2- Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix
3- Magneto
4- Tragedy (Amity)
5- Vuk's theme (Chastain's character) - which is incredible

I really love the score and I hope we get to hear the content of the second CD. The end credits suite had very interesting variations not included in the album.

BC2019-07-12 17:25:13
You're forgetting Jean's theme at the beginning of "Frameshift", which in my opinion is one of the prettiest parts of the score. It starts shifting over to the Dark Phoenix theme 44 seconds in.

John G. reply Replies: 4 || 2019-07-02 18:22:21
Is there a source that confirms a 2CD release/existence? I’ve been looking around and I’ve found nothing so far.

George2019-07-02 19:39:22
Facebook group. HZ confirmed himself. Go sign the petition, otherwise this release may not happen at all!

Kevin2019-07-09 09:02:43
I'm really hoping they pull through with that 2 CD edition, it would be great to have not only a physical copy but to know what his bonus material has to offer.

Ahmad2019-07-09 12:16:53
The whole thing is about getting the CONTENT of CD2 out :)
A physical release seems highly unlikely.

BC2019-07-09 18:18:38
Physical release is pretty much a no go at this point. Maybe if the movie hadn't bombed so hard, but the fact that Disney/Fox is going to lose about $150 million on it means that they're definitely not going to throw out money on getting a physical release done. We'll be REALLY, REALLY lucky if we get a digital release with the second disk, and I can live with that, despite wanting a vinyl copy of this very badly.

Nicklas reply Replies: 0 || 2019-07-09 12:18:14
Hybrid Soldier - It seems like you work in the bizz? are you working the same place as Hans?
I have a few questions maybe you can answer?

A few weeks ago Hans Zimmer composed the theme for 13 Minutes to the moon. And last year he did a theme for a car commercial (scoring the drive).
And now the ekstra cd release with Dark Phoenix, which is doubtful will ever be released even though we have signed the petition. A track that is also missing a release is Thunderbirds - Live in Prague...
None of these music tracks were ever released on Apple or Spotify. Why not?

How can a world famous genius composer like Hans still compose great music that don't get I digital release, these days... How can that be?
Who decides if it gets a digital release on iTunes or Spotify if not Hans himself?
Us - the fans have to find it on youtube which is too bad.
You would think that a creative and music lover like Hans would want to get all his music out to the public?

Friendly regards.

Der Profl reply Replies: 1 || 2019-07-02 21:47:59
What does "(Traditional)" mean in the composer credits for "Amity" mean?

Der Profl2019-07-02 21:53:44
Oh, wow. My English is at its best today. XD

HiX reply Replies: 0 || 2019-07-01 01:16:25
Crysis 2 has a track named "Insertion" as well

HiX reply Replies: 0 || 2019-07-01 01:16:21
Crysis 2 has a track named "Insertion" as well

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2019-06-30 15:34:54
Here is one way to make them realize : se-the-second-part-of-the-dark-phoenix-original-motion-pictu re-score-by-hans-zimmer-87958d0b-fc42-4b8e-bed9-94f3f23ff4be

badbu 2019-06-30 15:50:42
don‘t understand why fox didn‘t release it digitaly...

mpolonest123 2019-06-30 16:59:30
Thanks for the link @Hybrid. With Han’s clout I can’t see why on earth they wouldn’t put out an already finished album. Regardless of the film’s performance.

Fred reply Replies: 2 || 2019-06-30 11:54:04
so...are there more tracks coming?...

nvictor2019-06-30 13:33:26
Hybrid told us not to hold our breath and what he says is often right...

Fred2019-06-30 14:29:37
oh damn...:( and digital? :(

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