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A shame how disney ruined this movie with reshoots, missing scenes and poor marketing.
HunterTech
2019-07-30 03:55:29
Disney had nothing to do with how the film turned out, since all the crucial choices were made prior to them having full control. The most they did afterwards was give it a stronger marketing boost near release, which only ended up working so well.
HunterTech
2019-07-30 03:59:05
*ended up not doing much to help its chances to succeed.
MrZimmerFan
2019-07-30 11:41:53
Disney complete the purchase of Fox one month before the movie release, and various executives and workers of Fox said the movie was 'sabotage' in a marketing level by Disney.
HunterTech
2019-07-30 22:21:37
I wouldn't call making a video celebrating the series history with all the actors who were on board with the franchise 'sabotage' in any manner. Plus some of the posters I'd say were actually better than several of the more recent ones from the MCU. But yeah, let's keep believing Disney didn't want to make a profit out of this somehow. :P
Hybrid Soldier
2019-07-30 22:27:40
Hunter, please, just don't...
Disney was embarassed to "receive" that movie in the Fox deal, they wanted it dead as fast as possible.
They made the production change the entire ending & pushed back the film not to overshadow Captain Marvel (which has the same ending)...
BC
2019-07-31 00:18:11
@Hybrid Soldier
Wow...and here I thought Fox were the ones that demanded all of the changes after terrible screen testing. But now that I think about it, it does make sense that Disney demanded the changes, and that they didn't want the movie. Releasing it during summer season, especially after Endgame did the expected gangbusters was commercial suicide.
It might have faired better with the February release date, as it's a quieter month, but word is James Cameron demanded that it be pushed so that his little Battle Angel project wouldn't have any competition...and that turned out so well.
mpolonest123
2019-07-31 00:34:01
The irony is, Dark Phoenix is a stronger film than Captain Marvel. Granted, it’s a heavily flawed film (rushed third-act, awful villains, etc.) but I still would easily place it over that mess.
It definitely makes sense that Disney tried to sabotage the project, which seriously makes me wonder if the original version was a much stronger film. From what has been said it seems like some of the problems can be attributed to the reshoots. Reminds me a bit of Justice League...
HunterTech
2019-07-31 01:00:01
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't line up with any of the information we've gotten prior and since release. Even if they wanted to, Disney couldn't do anything with the film until it came close to release. The re-shoots were decided upon before there was even any actual bidding for Fox, and only happened once the actors had enough time to do any additional filming. This choice was made in March 2018, while the merger was approved in July 2018, and not actually being in effect til a full year later. How are you going to dispute any of that?
I know everyone has a hate boner for Disney these days, but at least know when to criticize them for things they've actually done, as opposed to because you happened to not like some of their more recent efforts.
That being said: I'd be happy to see a Kinberg cut of DP, since while heavily flawed, I did get the feeling that they at least tried to make something with intrigue. Especially since this is an iteration I still have fondness for, so I'd like to see how it originally was.
MrZimmerFan
2019-07-31 18:42:08
@HunterTech: The change ending was Disney's idea and the poor marketing campaing was to sink by any means the movie, obviously, for a reboot by Disney.
If the movie success, Disney will have a great problem.
BC
2019-07-31 22:42:51
@HunterTech
The deal wasn't official until recently, but for all intents and purposes both companies were working like it was. A lot of people were released from their jobs, and Fox cancelled a lot of in development projects, while Disney decided to let them wrap up production on the movies they were working on.
At least that's what I've gathered from following the whole thing. The waiting period took so long and there was so much information it's very possible that I misremembered/am wrong.
@mpolonest123
I completely agree, and it's a shame. The movie had all of the pieces needed to be a great film, it just needed some reshoots to add a few sequences and strengthen what was there. I went into the movie expecting it to be a crapshoot and ended up really liking it and seeing it 3 times. It's far from perfect, but it's definitely not worse than The Last Stand's stab at adapting the material. Or X-Men Origins: Wolverine for that matter.
Hey, since Hans managed to get this released under RCP, maybe Tom Holkenborg can do something similar with his Justice League material. I know, it's probably a pipe dream, and I imagine Tom just wants to move on from all that, but a man can dream.
mpolonest123
2019-07-31 15:00:15
I’m pretty sure the music for Justice League is owned by Warner Bros. And I highly doubt they are going to put anything out.
I wouldn’t be surprised if waaaayyyy down the road we get a Snyder cut in some form or another, with Tom’s music attached.
If I understood things correctly, this wasn't the first time a Hans Zimmer scored project ended up with a trunk-load of unused materials. Yet this is seemingly the first time the composer himself pushed for these unused materials to be released for all to hear. What was the motivation here?
Hybrid Soldier
2019-07-28 12:40:03
Because, for once, he was proud of all that work ? ;)
finn
2019-07-30 12:12:03
hey hybrid could u talk abit more about that, that seems sad, that he isnt proud.
which movies did was he proud and not proud working on etc. would love to know more about hat
1 - Fox never released anything physically.
2 - They could have deals with other speciality labels, but after Disney swallowed them, old deals (LLL etc.) are gone.
3 - Technically, the ones that could takeover releasing it physically are Hollywood Records (Disney), but are apparently not staffed to add Fox catalogue to "to-do releases" before many months.
So, it could happen, but not right away... And will there still be any interest in a few months ? I don't think so. But who knows...
nvictor
2019-07-28 21:59:05
OMG! yes yes yaass! so happy for this release :) :) i was on a trip when the news came out. amazing that big corporations have started listening to people. internet is amazing, isn't it? sad there is probably so much music sitting out there in the dark corners of many studios that no one will ever hear...
anyways, now we just wait a few days for this awesome release.
Great to see this happening! Curious as to what this will include, whether it's unreleased tracks, composer sketches and suites, or a mix of both. Hopefully it includes the music when young Jean arrives at the school, and maybe the credits music. But I'm game for brand new composer sketches too.
The track titles are interesting. Assuming the X-HZT is a composer sketch for Zimmer's new X-Men theme, like the composer sketch for Man of Steel. Maybe X-MT is a suite for Magneto's theme?
Very excited for this, especially since it's longer than the original score. Lots of possibilities!
Interesting to see the "Remote Control Productions, Inc." as the Label. Does this mean, that there is a chance to release older scores, complete scores, through this label? THAT would be groundbreaking...
I noticed that the label is only mentioned here as "Remote Control Productions, Inc.," as opposed to Fox Music of the OST. Does that mean that Fox/Disney has nothing to do with this particular release then?
Oh Hell yes! I understand that getting unreleased music released after all isn’t really that grand or important in the big scheme of things, but it still warms my heart knowing that when enough people rally around a cause and voice their thoughts, change can occur, regardless of the ultimate player on top. And this isn’t just a victory for that general sentiment, but also a victory for honest fans who care about the integrity of art and artists.
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