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Haha!  Wear the mask. how fitting.yap. and all of the alternates :PI want that "Final Confrontation" cue so much!Most of them are done actually and should have been released a while ago !Hybrid why is HZ scoring so many films lately, has he placed a bet with himself or something? lol<br><br>Looking forward to it. Boss Baby was a really fun score.
I'm confident he would care. Not saying he has any control over it. <br>I don't think Mondo should be making any money from this release. It ought to be canceled and removed from their website. <br><br>It's more than just a tempo issue. The tone is entirely off, and parts that were once pleasing to hear, now sound awful to my ears.<br><br>Seems Mondo is lacking the proper quality control. Hopefully this is a wake up call for them. If enough people avoid buying this album or return it, they'll get the message. I like to see capitalism work properly. <br>Maybe Pope is involved.Great news! The first one is fun, not Zimmer’s best animated score imo but it’s still pretty enjoyable. I almost wish they got Conrad Pope involved again, “Love” is one of the most beautiful cues of the past few years.The first one was quite pretty good.We knew Steve would return for quite some time, but I was surprised Hans would actually return too. But he's very involved with that one.
Who is Hans Zimmerman?i want it so much <3I guess it's only fair that they do shoulder the blame, considering again that releases like these aren't really the norm for them. I still wouldn't expect a recall and replacement, since it'd be a lot of money down the drain there. Their loss ultimately at the end of the day.<br><br>A bit disappointed about the content being the exact same as the leak, as I would've liked some of the film edits or at least the alt mixes I've seen pop up. I guess I'll just have to hope Disney does end up cooperating with LLL sooner than later.You gotta realize one thing, most of the time, Hans doesn't even know about these releases (and honestly I think he doesn't care). Only a few labels like LLL play ball and have him involved (but as Hans doesn't own most of his music, they have no other reason than courtesy to do so).<br><br>As for MI2, people who complained about the "content" instead of the tech aspect of it were goddamn wrong. Yes, the film mixes / OST mixes are pretty different. Because you have suites & sometimes material specifically arranged for the album or alternate cues.<br><br>Mondo having released the final mixes (and I know what Paramount provided them, it's just exactly the same 2 CD set copy that leaked years ago), I have no problem if the content is different.<br><br>And that's the topic on which they answered, James. Technically, they're not wrong, but they are ditching the REAL problem, for which they are responsible for ! The speed issue is on them, not on what they got.Considering the recent issues with the isolated score on Days of Thunder's 4K release sounding very inconsistent, I do wonder if Paramount has simply been poor in preserving stuff. Especially when they mention the studio and not the record label, which might've had a better copy on hand (they did finally put the OST on digital recently, after all).<br><br>I am not going to hold Mondo responsible for this, especially considering they normally do just press the regular OSTs onto LPs. I don't expect them to be fully privy to if a score sounds fine or not, since they're often just given the stuff prepared for them. Besides, repressing records would be a super expensive ordeal, especially with how limited they're often designed to be now.<br><br>And honestly: since no one has made the comparison to Sherlock 2 yet, how bad sounding is it really? I'd much rather it be slightly off than it being complete trash like the Perseverance release of Rain Man was. If HZ was able to let that slide once, then he won't be so worked up over a small tempo issue.
So this is what Mondo had to say about their massive screw up. I've never heard something so stupid in my life. If I had a direct line to Hans Zimmerman himself I'd call him about this. I'm sure he would be interested to know they butchered his album. <br><br>"Hi James,<br><br>I talked with the soundtracks department and here's what they had to say:<br><br>We’ve been made aware of a discrepancy between how the audio sounds on our album versus how it was previously released in original releases.<br><br>Our masters came directly from the studio and from original recording sessions, and we did not do any adjustments to the masters in post other than standard vinyl mastering process. But it seems any previous post production on those original releases, and cues used in the film itself, are absent from our release and may account for the differences you notice.<br><br>We currently do not have any plans on remastering the score."<br>Great. Thx.<br><br>Score has much similarities with Sherlock, so there is many of Lorne's cues...Known credits are Runaway Train for Mazzaro (was on his website), for Andrew K : The Rangers, Cannibal, Dead Rangers & Finish Him (on his Soundcloud). Geoff is the only guy with Ann Marie Simpson that got the privilege of cuesheet credit.
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<br>Battle of Aughrim arrangement (so everything lifted from "Silver") is Hans & Ann Marie.
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<br>Geoff did a good part of the score, every other classical pieces arrangements are his (so, everywhere the William Tell Overture appears). Train Chase, the End Credits, This Is A Robbery.
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<br>The stuff that sounds more or less like Sherlock have definitely Lorne. And I suspect a bit more epic drama have RGW.Hello there!<br>Hybrid, do we have some composer's credits on this score?<br>Or this is situation like on Transformers score?<br><br>Somewhere I read that Geoff Zanelli helped Hans on Train Chase (pts 1&2), Mazzaro did Runaway Train and Kawczynski did like 2 or 3 tracks (the rangers, finish him). Is that correct?<br><br>btw good score, not genius, but pretty good action score.<br><br>Made in Italy<br><br>Beautiful new score by Alex Belcher, check it out!
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Terminator - Dark Fate
Label: Paramount Music / La-La Land Records
Length: 57'58
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  1. Terminated (1:28)
  2. My Name Is Dani (3:39)
  3. Rev 9 (3:10)
  4. Iron Spike (2:52)
  5. Enter Sarah (0:59)
  6. Grace (4:24)
  7. Drones Coming (1:46)
  8. The Wall (4:12)
  9. Terminator (2:57)
  10. Coyote (2:18)
  11. The Picture On The Fridge (0:42)
  12. C5 (4:10)
  13. Humv (1:59)
  14. You Saved Me (5:41)
  15. Screaming Turbines (4:13)
  16. For John (7:59)
  17. Epilogue (1:10)
  18. Dark Fate (4:19)
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Jack Afrogarrix reply Replies: 0 || 2020-03-02 00:49:28
Booklet Credits

Score composed, Produced, Programmed, Mixed & Mastered by Tom Holkenborg

Music Productions Services By Michiel Groenveld
Additional music By Antonio Di Lorio
Score Conducted By Conrad Pope & Edward Trybek
Score Orchestrated by Edward Trybek, Jonathan Neard, Henri Wilkenson & Tom Holkenborg
Additional Synth Programing By Jacobo Trifone, Steven Silvers, Shwan Askari & Jarrod Royle-Atkins
Drums, Guitar and Synths By Tom Holkenborg
Score Copied by Edward Trybek & Henri Wilkenson
Score Contracted By Peter Rotter
Score Recorded By Alan Meyerson & Chris Fogel
Score Recorded at Newman Scoring Stage
Newman Stage Engineers By Mark Gebauer, Erin Michael Rettig
Technical Score Engineer By Sara Barone
Digital Recording By Kevin Globerman
Newman Stage Managers By Damon Tedesico, Hoss Yerkband & Peter Nelson

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2020-01-14 08:48:00
Ok, i don't remember put this one, but there is goes..

Sonic the Hedgehog by Tom Holkenborg is going to be released by Paramount Music

johny555 reply Replies: 10 || 2019-12-27 21:11:35
I´ve just watched The Witcher from Netflix and I swear I heard Junkie´s drums in some action scenes... is there any explanation? I really need to know :D


Macejko2019-12-28 00:26:23
Explanation is that you might be musically deaf, my friend.


johny5552019-12-29 12:49:58
Listen for yourself and tell me they don´t sound similar...

https://youtu.be/2vg1T-g2KOY?t=43

(hybrid please don´t delete this, this is super important :D )


Mr.Unbreakable2019-12-29 15:06:12
When I saw the series I noticed it! Surely the temp track was from Tom


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-29 16:30:52
So ?

Drum Samples are... drum samples... lol


Iamtommie442019-12-29 17:50:02
@johny555 why is this so important for you?


johny5552019-12-29 21:47:57
@Iamtommie44 Because I find it very interesting to hear such a unique sound from a different composer that has no ties to RCP or to Tom and I would love to know how could they replicate it, since Tom didn´t release his drum samples (don´t count the loops, it´s not them)

@Mr.Unbreakable- great, I am not the only one who is musically deaf :D


Joshua2019-12-29 22:16:01
Tom released some of his drum samples earlier this year on Sounds.com called Desert Dystopian. Any composer can pick them up.


johny5552019-12-29 22:24:33
I know, but it´s not them, those are only loops... in the series, they regularly use these drums in different tempos, rhythms, structures and so on like you normally do if you own that sample library


Joshua2019-12-29 22:53:37
You do know you can take those samples and loops and make your own Kontakt instruments out of them. There are also single hits in the pack as well.


johny5552019-12-31 22:54:22
never mind, happy new year !

MiB reply Replies: 17 || 2019-12-19 03:32:31
Great news! Simon Franglen is scoring Avatar 2 & 3. I've been waiting two years for this news, and after I heard Pandora: The World of Avatar - it became clear, that Franglen is the only person who is able to recreate the style of James Horner. I'm glad. Avatar music in safe hands!
Thanks to Cameron for this appointment, and it's a good thing Tom won't do it.

P.s I like Tom, but Avatar obviously is not his league


Scorefan2019-12-19 05:27:59
Well, Tom has proved he is capable to score many kind of films. So it could be a great oportunity to show his skills. But well, Cameron goes safety and for me Franglen will do arrangements and variants from Horner's music and if he write new music it will be minor.


MiB2019-12-19 15:15:19
He did a new avatar themes in Pandora: The World of Avatar , and they are awesome. Sure that score will be badass))


mpolonest123 2019-12-19 16:16:44
Haven’t listened to Magnificent 7 yet so I can’t really speak to Simon Franglen’s abilities, but he has worked with James Horner for quite a while, and I did enjoy his arrangements for Pandora so this is definitely not a bad choice (as long it’s not a rehash score).

Admittedly I’m disappointed that Tom isn’t attached to these films. Mortal Engines and Alita showed huge improvements in his writing and ability to interweave themes intelligently throughout the underscores. I feel like Avatar would have been a great opportunity to have him expand his styles and grow as a composer. As long as he keeps collaborating with solid directors like Cameron and Peter Jackson I’ll be happy.


Edmund Meinerts2019-12-19 17:43:21
I think the odds that Franglen's Avatars end up fairly rehashy are quite high, but that's not the worst possible option. I'd rather have Franglen extend Horner's score for the first (which I adore, by the way) than, say, have someone from RCP come in and blow up the foundations and start over.

If the first Avatar score is At World's End, then I guess Franglen will produce something along the lines of Dead Men Tell No Tales. (As long as we don't have to suffer any On Stranger Tideses...)


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-19 17:53:23
He got the job.

Now let's see if he survives it !


johny5552019-12-20 11:41:49
I have nothing against Franglen, but in my opinion, he will be replaced very soon...


johny5552019-12-20 11:46:27
but according to Film Music Reporter, Franglen is just composing SONGS for the Avatar sequels, not the actual score... we´ll see


MiB2019-12-20 15:14:58
Lol, the article on filmmusicreporter was updated, true. Not so long Franglen was the composer of avatar sequels. Sad if he gets replaced


MiB2019-12-20 15:19:01
Interesting, is there are any chances that instead of Franglen Hans will do the Avatars? How do you think, guys?


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-21 00:06:38
Hans will not score Avatar. That's probably the only 100% sure thing around ! lol


MiB2019-12-21 00:59:45
If Cameron was working with Hans's guy (Holkenborg), there's a small chance that Hans might be involved. Or does the Hybrid know something specific why Hans can't make an Avatar?


mpolonest123 2019-12-21 02:06:15
Ah ok, this makes much more sense. Franglen is too small a name to helm such a big franchise (god knows how many films are coming up) from the studios perspective. If Holkenborg does indeed do it I wonder if he will be committed to the entire slate of sequels or just the first one.


BC2019-12-21 05:20:45
@Hybrid

Is there any particular reason that Hans isn't down to score Avatar? I'm not complaining about it or anything, but you seem super sure he's not at all interested and I'm curious about why he isn't.


Shince Thomas 2019-12-21 13:40:06
James Cameron is very selective when it comes to the scores for his films and his style and ideas are different from Hans.


MiB2019-12-21 13:50:00
"his style and ideas are different from Hans"...but similar to junkie xl? lol) really? this is funny :)


Mephariel2019-12-21 18:16:38
Because Hans Zimmer doesn't want to continue other composer's work?

Zimmer likes to do his own thing. If he scores Avatar, he will have to basically expand Horner's work.


mpolonest123 2019-12-21 18:53:17
And you could argue that James Cameron is experimental director. From his collabs with Brad Fiedel to James Horner he has always used more experimental music in his films.

123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-04 15:29:13
just saw No Time to Die trailer and the music sounds so much like it´s Junkie, or somebody just stole his drum sample libraries

tilibro reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-12 13:14:29
New trailer for the Sonic movie.
https://youtu.be/szby7ZHLnkA

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 17 || 2019-10-31 16:14:00
The album is 18 songs and the Terminator Theme is powerful than ever


Knight2019-10-31 16:23:08
I have to say that I prefer Lorne's Terminator score to Tom's. More themes with melody and the Fiedel end title theme is more sophisticated. Track 16 and 18 of this one is pretty good though


BC2019-11-01 06:14:02
Just got home from an IMAX screening. Really enjoyed the movie, but it's a Dark Phoenix situation with the sound mix where the score is deep into the background where it almost can't be heard in scenes. "Rev 9", "The Wall" and most of "For John" were completely lost.

@Knight
I agree. I really enjoy Tom's rendition and understand that he stripped it back to service the lean, mean nature of the movie, but Lorne's was meatier and had a little more going on.

Highlight for me so far is "The Wall". Love the incorporation of the alarm at the wall. Rev-9's theme is perfect, that low, sinister thrum. Simple and fitting.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:44:06
Altough i like Balfe's work in Genisys (the weakest is Salvation), i dig it Tom's work, is the most referencial to the original in the synths apects, specially from someone who loves the original Brad Fiedel score in The Terminator.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 09:46:00
Maybe my opinion will change once I see the film (much like Alita) but I’m not too crazy about this right now.

The positives: Dani’s guitar theme is beautiful and the way it is incorporated in the end titles suite is amazing, Rev-9’s motif works extraordinarily well, Brad Fiedel’s themes are used effectively (with a cool callback to T2)

The negs: The action music really feels like stock Holkenborg, closer to Tomb Raider and Deadpool than Mortal Engines (exceptions being The Wall and For John), lack of interesting underscore, and personally I was hoping for a more electronic approach akin to the style of the first two.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:53:35
I hate Deadpool (weird me, because i like a lot Tomb Raider and Rise of an Empire) and consider OK Mad Max and Divergent.

But when comes to Mortal Engines (an i wasn't expecting Dark Fate sound like that) and Alita are really good.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 10:02:35
For some reason I thought Tom was going to use a more electronic sound for the film, I was genuinely surprised that the score is as orchestral/acoustic as it is.

But yeah, I’m definitely not a fan of Deadpool or Tomb Raider. I think his collabs with Conrad Pope have produced his best material thus far, especially when he has a great orchestrator who can flesh out his material.


Shince Thomas 2019-11-01 15:07:36
Tom's theme brings a new flare to the original, but in someway I prefer Lorne's version.The guitar based theme is a fresh take and completely did not expect it to be this acoustic.


HunterTech2019-11-01 22:41:51
@BC I actually thought Dark Phoenix's score had a pretty decent presence in the sound mix. The SFX overwhelmed it at parts, sure, but I definitely heard enough there to recall stuff from the film when listening to the OST.


Ahmad2019-11-01 23:11:33
Dark Phoenix’s mix was a disaster. Effects were overbearingly loud while the music was too quiet. Obviously you can tell which cue is playing but most of HZ’s work was thrown out the window in favor of SFX. “Reckless” is a clear example.


BC2019-11-03 01:43:29
@Ahmad

And "Frameshift". It was actually nicely mixed until when the guitars hit for the Phoenix theme and it got pushed aside for the SFX and it loses a lot of it's power because of it.


MagicLoop2019-11-04 10:41:02
mpolonest123, just FYI, Conrad Pope did not orchestrate any of Tom's scores, he just conducted the orchestras at the scoring stages doing as always a brilliant job with those great musicians. Every orchestral writing improvement (fully orchestrated) has been made internally by Tom and his in-house assistants.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-04 11:47:00
Pope even conducted this one.

I think many people give more credit to Pope more than Tom and his orchertrators (some of them work with people like McCreary or Goransson), yes, Pope is great orchertrator, but many of the hightlights from Mortal Engines or Alita, probably, are from Tom and his collaborators.


MagicLoop2019-11-05 12:57:26
Very true, MrZimmerFan. The whole credit must go to Tom and his internal assistants. Every cue gets completely written, orchestrated and programmed in their DAW sessions when they produce all the mock-ups. Then at the end every cue gets simply transcribed by the orchestrators (external team) from midi into musical notation, but they are already completed from the start.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-05 13:03:12
Yeah but orchestrators can add colors too... Like they can go "look, your string writing here with 10 violins, it works with synths, but it's never gonna sound good live, let's try that instead..."


Anyway orchestrator can go from co-composer to simple transcriber... Depends what material they have to work with.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-05 13:52:27
But Pope isn't orchestrator neither Alita, Mortal Engines or this one.

People give credit only because is acredited as conductor, if he was acredited as orchestrator, the thing would be very different.


mpolonest123 2019-11-06 16:37:24
My mistake, for some reason I thought Pope had done some orchestration as well. I do remember Tom mentioning in Studio Time that Pope had some input in terms of improving the orchestrations or at least giving some feedback, which I do think shows immensely in Alita and Mortal Engines.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-06 18:23:04
The conductor can give some feedback to the composer and viceversa, but the orchestrations are enterely from the orchestrators

Zac reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-06 01:28:21
It's a real shame that Holkenborg's rendition of Desert Suite from T2 didn't make it into the album. That was the score's biggest standout moment to me.

MiB reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-02 21:12:39
The worst score in the whole franchise. Period. Film is actually too. Even Genesys is better of this, score and film. So sad to me.

DT-2017 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-01 09:38:46
I loved that Junkie XL dug up Brad Fiedel's old T2 synths for the tracks "Terminated" and "Terminator". I honestly thought that the sound designers just took those metal heartbeat sections from T2's score.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-31 13:01:09
Up in Itunes NZ

https:// music.apple.com/nz/album/terminator-dark-fate-music-from-the -motion-picture/1483310838


Jean-Luc2019-10-31 14:52:27
Finally!! I'm so excited to hear about those tracks

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 5 || 2019-10-30 04:00:59
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-junkie -xl-score-complete/amp/

Well, I guess it’s now official.


ThePhantasm2019-10-30 04:32:24
doesn't show anything.


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 04:41:30
Remove the spaces in the link.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:45:47
Can't hear to it, if the Snyder Cut ever does get released, of course.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:46:05
**Can't wait


BC2019-10-31 02:59:03
It'll probably be released in a few more years after the Snyder Cut movement dies down.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-30 20:15:27
New Studio Time begins 1th November

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=HJXX2lPJiXY


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 20:53:32
Can’t wait!

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-29 12:30:56
So is this ever coming out?
The movie is out for a week here and there is still not even score release date, track list or artwork.

Very disappointing


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:41:20
People can't be patience...

1th November


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:42:09
Because the score releases (specially for Paramount Musice) are the same the as the movie opens in USA.


Paul2019-10-29 12:56:55
@MrZimmerFan is correct and people need to be patient.


Anonymous2019-10-29 14:44:18
november 1th......


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 14:53:19
Yes, this Friday, because is the movie opening in USA.


Anonymous2019-10-29 15:09:58
but I think you meant 11th lol


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 15:31:15
xD

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-25 23:10:47
Is my mind doing tricks on me or did I hear a reprise of "Sarah's Dream" at some point ?


There were some cool reprises of the Terminator Main Theme in the final act of the movie.


mpolonest123 2019-10-25 23:32:49
@Hybrid
How does the score stack up against the previous entries? Particularly Tom’s original music?

I actually enjoy Salvation and Genisys for what they try to do. I don’t think they succeed as Terminator scores but on their own they work.


Markus2019-10-26 12:34:54
Does anyone know when Balfe’s His Dark Materials is released ?


Knight2019-10-26 12:36:42
3rd of November will have the first of 2 albums releases

DT-2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-24 20:53:37
The music was actually pretty good. He came up with a nice new arrangement of Brad Fiedel's Terminator Theme and gave Rev-9 a new motif instead of the same motif originally used for the T-1000 but used for every villain Terminator since.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-24 21:06:46
I don't remember the T-1000 motif in Genisys and much less in Salvation. Maybe the arrangement in T3 by Beltrami (or is a new motif?)


BC2019-10-25 02:05:37
Nice. Really looking forward to hearing it in the IMAX mix next week. This and Lorne's 6 Underground are pretty much the only 2 scores I'm excited for the rest of the year.


DT-20172019-10-25 08:39:08
Mr. Zimmerman - you won't necessarily hear it on the OST for Salvation and it's not in the film, but it was included in the sessions, used before the 'Arnold' snippet. As for Genisys, it's bold as brass at the start of the John Connor hospital fight. It's also used for the Matt Smith Skynet character. The T-3000 motif afterward is a slightly adjusted version. Lorne Balfe did confirm that this was the intention. T3 has a brass version used in the Future War sequence.

It's also used quite frequently in The Sarah Connor Chronicles and even got a remix in the Terminator Salvation game.

BC reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-16 23:44:52
Seems like this is going to be a Dark Phoenix situation where we don't have a tracklist, release date or cover until the week the movie releases.

I wonder if it's because Miller is still locking down the final cut and Tom's still scoring. Either way, definitely looking forward to this and the movie.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-17 08:20:48
Like most of the releases


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 17:58:19
Tom said in his Twitter: 'Details very soon'

Altough, is only a week away


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 18:00:22
And also, be prepared for more Studio Time for the score


DT-20172019-10-21 19:45:55
The movie is out this Wednesday in some territories.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 19:58:48
But the scores comes out in 1th November


BC2019-10-22 05:54:17
We'll likely get final details towards the end of the week or early next week. I guess I'm just a little surprised that it's taken this long. The movie had surprise screenings either yesterday or the day before, so it seems like everything's pretty final.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-22 10:11:30
Think about Gemini Man, the score come out the same day as the movie (in that case, 11th October), and the details come the same week.


mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-16 00:45:45
There’s a 3-minute clip of the truck chase on YouTube and I have to say the score sounds pretty cool. A lot of string/percussion work with an awesome electronic motif for the new “Terminator” model. Also, Brad Fiedel’s theme is back. ;)

Kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-09 07:11:10
DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

T2 soundtrack is god

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 19 || 2019-10-04 02:57:51
Soon!


Jean-Luc2019-10-04 13:32:23
I'm very excited about this soundtrack, I bet that the soundtrack will release on Halloween this month. I have a feeling about Terminator, Dark Fate score might sound like Mad Max Fury Road or something new like that. I hope terminator dark fate should bring terminator main theme from the first movie or second movie, it's would be cool to put in the beginning movie.


Anonymous2019-10-04 18:25:04
brad fiedel’s terminator theme is in every single film


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-04 21:59:33
It's not used in Salvation. Briefly in T3 (End Title ?) and there's a lot of Fiedel used in Lorne's.


johny5552019-10-04 22:02:00
it was used in Salvation, two times :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:09:11
The actual melody isn’t used in Salvation, just the “dun-dun-dundun”


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:10:30
^ Unless that was tracked in....


Anonymous2019-10-04 22:11:59
salvation still has it even if it’s not on the ost. it’s in the beginning of teh film


Scorefan2019-10-05 23:18:00
Ummmmm Tomo scored Alita Battle Angel and now Terminato Dark Fate. Is this a posibility Tom score Avatar sequels?


DT-20172019-10-06 09:50:36
Salvation just used the 'du-dun-dun-du-dun' part - in the opening titles, the Arnold reveal scene and in the finale. The actual theme itself is never used and apparently McG didn't want it used either. T3 had it but only in the end credits. Genisys at least used it in the opening of the film.

I get the feeling we'll get more arrangements of it this time around as well as a 'main title' arrangement.


Edmund Meinerts2019-10-06 10:13:40
Scorefan, I agree with you, it really feels like Cameron is using these projects to let JXL "audition" for the Avatar sequels. Alita wasn't a bad score and I think Terminator is a good fit for his style, but I still really hope Cameron goes a different direction with Avatar (hint: James Newton Howard). I don't think JXL has what it takes to follow in the footsteps of Horner.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-06 11:33:02
Edmund, Alita have many moments when you think Horner composed that.


johny5552019-10-06 11:36:14
Question of the day: would JXL use Horner's famous trumpet motif? :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 14:26:57
I wouldn’t be surprised if James Cameron was using these projects to test JXL’s ability to handle big budget films, as well as building a professional relationship with him. Seeing as how he only worked with two prior composers in the past, it would be an interesting collaboration.

And no, JXL is definitely no James Horner. But seeing how his involvement with Peter Jackson turned out Mortal Engines (the best score he has done so far imo), I would love to hear what he could deliver when working with a perfectionist like James Cameron.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 16:17:34
A good option would be to sign James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer, but this time Newton Howard is the one who makes up the majority of the movie.


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-06 16:23:10
Hans is an absolute no go for Avatar 2 ! Trust me...


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 16:35:43
@Hybrid
Good! Considering there are about 50 sequels to Avatar in production I would rather have Hans working on a variety of projects, instead of devoting his time to those. JNH would be a cool choice, I think he has the chops to turn out some amazing themes.

And while on the topic of JXL, apparently Snyder is pushing to get his cut of Justice League completed/released. I wonder if there is a possibility of us finally getting to hear Junkie’s score finally, or at least having him actually get to finish whatever he started.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 17:01:18
Why is it that Hans doesn't want to make Avatar?


Anonymous2019-10-07 03:42:01
because hes worked with tony scott, ridley scott, michael bay and terrence malick. directors with a reputation about their music. he doesn't need to work with james cameron lmao


Miralsice2019-10-07 15:03:27
How about that Tim Miller hired Junkie again, since they had worked together on Deadpool and Tom write music for one episode of "Love Death and Robots" produced by Tim. And don't forget about Sonic live action where Miller also worked as executive producer. I think they are good friends, don't they?

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