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@Ahmad well my bad! I didn't know about this. It was just his post came at a time like this so...<br>Sorry guys.@Xavi I know. I also want the  Snyderís cut and JXLís score to be released, but setting up expectations about the score when itís clear that Tomís post has nothing to do it is just kinda unnecessary.Couldn't agree more Edmund. He's got both the orchestra and synths (and his great guitar usage) down very well. Similar to HGW IMO. <br><br>He's also a very interesting interviewee (that accent always seems to help). <br><br>Which scores have had electronic elements edited off of the official releases? And do the missing elements appear in the complete scores/sessions?In a year, like Enos saysIs there a page for the complete score of this film? Thanks.
"LOL" Relax, Ahmad. <br><br>People are working really hard to release the movie and with it will come Junkie's score too.<br><br>LOL! The only thing thatís coming is his brass library which he has been working on for quite some time.Even Snyder himself just tweeted it.<br><br>I bet the score of this version would be way better because Junkie/Zimmer worked on Batman, Man Of Steel and the Wonder Woman theme<br><br>What Elfman did was terrible butchering and ignoring all the themes and tonality of all the previous hero scores.Gal and Ben also announced their support for the Snyder Cut!Something is coming, Junkie XL aka Tom just posted this<br>https://twitter.com/Junkie_XL/status/1196111682398867456<br>#ReleaseTheSnyderCut
I want that film version of John's theme. heard in the arcade scene and airport scene at the end of the film.Nope. They were recreated using film stems.I found a version of this soundtrack online that contained several alternate versions of "No Time For Caution", as well as two additional suites, supposedly titled "Endurance Suite 1" and "Endurance Suite 2". I've listened to both and they both seem legit, but are they a part of this complete score?truly amazing score! zanelli shows here that he mastered the DNA of the pirates music. would love to see him talk about this series, what makes its music so unique & recognizable, etc.<br><br>i think what's happening is that there are far too many characters, each with their own themes, to focus & develop any one in particular. salazar is the exception, in both the movie and the music. his intriguing character is the reason i watched the movie. and his theme kept coming into my head months after the movie.<br><br>but yea there are too many stories being unpacked onto the viewer in just a few hours in the latest pirates. but zanelli did a great job all the same.Balfe is the best composer since Powell from the Zimmer training<br>After hearing what Lorne Balfe did for Mission Impossible it would be great to hear what he would do with the James Bond theme.<br>
Ok.But still it would be awesome if Djawadi is composing The EternalsWell, unless you have a source, or can point to a credible publication reporting Romer is not scoring it, I think it is safe to assume (for now) that the composer announced and still listed on the official website as the composer for the film is in-fact the composer for the film..<br><br>He wouldn't be my personal choice for the job, but I am not going to ignorantly pretend that he isn't currently the hired composer.I was at the concert yesterday in Denmark, words can't describe what i felt, it's something that has to be experienced in person, truly amazing.<br><br>Music is one thing, but the lights and video along the show was awsome, that can't be described, you have to be there.<br><br>I hope for a bluray version of a concert, I will gladly be the first to buy it.Jackman has always been my favorite of his "generation" of RC composers (in which I also include Balfe, Djawadi, ÷rvarsson, Margeson and Streitenfeld - the ones who broke out about a decade ago). I think he's the best orchestral writer other than Powell and I always appreciate the clean, organic sound of his scores - like with Powell's scores, Jackman's orchestra always sounds real and clearly distinct from the electronics, unlike Balfe and Zimmer himself who use samples a lot more and blur things in the middle. That's true even of scores of his I don't like, such as Winter Soldier.<br><br>I do wish he'd stop stripping the electronics off of tracks for his album releases though. That seems like a strange way to address the criticisms he got for Winter Soldier - kind of missing the point.
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Terminator - Dark Fate
Label: Paramount Music / La-La Land Records
Length: 57'58
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  1. Terminated (1:28)
  2. My Name Is Dani (3:39)
  3. Rev 9 (3:10)
  4. Iron Spike (2:52)
  5. Enter Sarah (0:59)
  6. Grace (4:24)
  7. Drones Coming (1:46)
  8. The Wall (4:12)
  9. Terminator (2:57)
  10. Coyote (2:18)
  11. The Picture On The Fridge (0:42)
  12. C5 (4:10)
  13. Humv (1:59)
  14. You Saved Me (5:41)
  15. Screaming Turbines (4:13)
  16. For John (7:59)
  17. Epilogue (1:10)
  18. Dark Fate (4:19)
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tilibro reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-12 13:14:29
New trailer for the Sonic movie.
https://youtu.be/szby7ZHLnkA

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 17 || 2019-10-31 16:14:00
The album is 18 songs and the Terminator Theme is powerful than ever


Knight2019-10-31 16:23:08
I have to say that I prefer Lorne's Terminator score to Tom's. More themes with melody and the Fiedel end title theme is more sophisticated. Track 16 and 18 of this one is pretty good though


BC2019-11-01 06:14:02
Just got home from an IMAX screening. Really enjoyed the movie, but it's a Dark Phoenix situation with the sound mix where the score is deep into the background where it almost can't be heard in scenes. "Rev 9", "The Wall" and most of "For John" were completely lost.

@Knight
I agree. I really enjoy Tom's rendition and understand that he stripped it back to service the lean, mean nature of the movie, but Lorne's was meatier and had a little more going on.

Highlight for me so far is "The Wall". Love the incorporation of the alarm at the wall. Rev-9's theme is perfect, that low, sinister thrum. Simple and fitting.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:44:06
Altough i like Balfe's work in Genisys (the weakest is Salvation), i dig it Tom's work, is the most referencial to the original in the synths apects, specially from someone who loves the original Brad Fiedel score in The Terminator.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 09:46:00
Maybe my opinion will change once I see the film (much like Alita) but Iím not too crazy about this right now.

The positives: Daniís guitar theme is beautiful and the way it is incorporated in the end titles suite is amazing, Rev-9ís motif works extraordinarily well, Brad Fiedelís themes are used effectively (with a cool callback to T2)

The negs: The action music really feels like stock Holkenborg, closer to Tomb Raider and Deadpool than Mortal Engines (exceptions being The Wall and For John), lack of interesting underscore, and personally I was hoping for a more electronic approach akin to the style of the first two.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:53:35
I hate Deadpool (weird me, because i like a lot Tomb Raider and Rise of an Empire) and consider OK Mad Max and Divergent.

But when comes to Mortal Engines (an i wasn't expecting Dark Fate sound like that) and Alita are really good.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 10:02:35
For some reason I thought Tom was going to use a more electronic sound for the film, I was genuinely surprised that the score is as orchestral/acoustic as it is.

But yeah, Iím definitely not a fan of Deadpool or Tomb Raider. I think his collabs with Conrad Pope have produced his best material thus far, especially when he has a great orchestrator who can flesh out his material.


Shince Thomas 2019-11-01 15:07:36
Tom's theme brings a new flare to the original, but in someway I prefer Lorne's version.The guitar based theme is a fresh take and completely did not expect it to be this acoustic.


HunterTech2019-11-01 22:41:51
@BC I actually thought Dark Phoenix's score had a pretty decent presence in the sound mix. The SFX overwhelmed it at parts, sure, but I definitely heard enough there to recall stuff from the film when listening to the OST.


Ahmad2019-11-01 23:11:33
Dark Phoenixís mix was a disaster. Effects were overbearingly loud while the music was too quiet. Obviously you can tell which cue is playing but most of HZís work was thrown out the window in favor of SFX. ďRecklessĒ is a clear example.


BC2019-11-03 01:43:29
@Ahmad

And "Frameshift". It was actually nicely mixed until when the guitars hit for the Phoenix theme and it got pushed aside for the SFX and it loses a lot of it's power because of it.


MagicLoop2019-11-04 10:41:02
mpolonest123, just FYI, Conrad Pope did not orchestrate any of Tom's scores, he just conducted the orchestras at the scoring stages doing as always a brilliant job with those great musicians. Every orchestral writing improvement (fully orchestrated) has been made internally by Tom and his in-house assistants.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-04 11:47:00
Pope even conducted this one.

I think many people give more credit to Pope more than Tom and his orchertrators (some of them work with people like McCreary or Goransson), yes, Pope is great orchertrator, but many of the hightlights from Mortal Engines or Alita, probably, are from Tom and his collaborators.


MagicLoop2019-11-05 12:57:26
Very true, MrZimmerFan. The whole credit must go to Tom and his internal assistants. Every cue gets completely written, orchestrated and programmed in their DAW sessions when they produce all the mock-ups. Then at the end every cue gets simply transcribed by the orchestrators (external team) from midi into musical notation, but they are already completed from the start.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-05 13:03:12
Yeah but orchestrators can add colors too... Like they can go "look, your string writing here with 10 violins, it works with synths, but it's never gonna sound good live, let's try that instead..."


Anyway orchestrator can go from co-composer to simple transcriber... Depends what material they have to work with.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-05 13:52:27
But Pope isn't orchestrator neither Alita, Mortal Engines or this one.

People give credit only because is acredited as conductor, if he was acredited as orchestrator, the thing would be very different.


mpolonest123 2019-11-06 16:37:24
My mistake, for some reason I thought Pope had done some orchestration as well. I do remember Tom mentioning in Studio Time that Pope had some input in terms of improving the orchestrations or at least giving some feedback, which I do think shows immensely in Alita and Mortal Engines.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-06 18:23:04
The conductor can give some feedback to the composer and viceversa, but the orchestrations are enterely from the orchestrators

Zac reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-06 01:28:21
It's a real shame that Holkenborg's rendition of Desert Suite from T2 didn't make it into the album. That was the score's biggest standout moment to me.

MiB reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-02 21:12:39
The worst score in the whole franchise. Period. Film is actually too. Even Genesys is better of this, score and film. So sad to me.

DT-2017 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-01 09:38:46
I loved that Junkie XL dug up Brad Fiedel's old T2 synths for the tracks "Terminated" and "Terminator". I honestly thought that the sound designers just took those metal heartbeat sections from T2's score.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-31 13:01:09
Up in Itunes NZ

https:// music.apple.com/nz/album/terminator-dark-fate-music-from-the -motion-picture/1483310838


Jean-Luc2019-10-31 14:52:27
Finally!! I'm so excited to hear about those tracks

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 5 || 2019-10-30 04:00:59
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-junkie -xl-score-complete/amp/

Well, I guess itís now official.


ThePhantasm2019-10-30 04:32:24
doesn't show anything.


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 04:41:30
Remove the spaces in the link.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:45:47
Can't hear to it, if the Snyder Cut ever does get released, of course.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:46:05
**Can't wait


BC2019-10-31 02:59:03
It'll probably be released in a few more years after the Snyder Cut movement dies down.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-30 20:15:27
New Studio Time begins 1th November

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=HJXX2lPJiXY

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mpolonest123 2019-10-30 20:53:32
Canít wait!

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-29 12:30:56
So is this ever coming out?
The movie is out for a week here and there is still not even score release date, track list or artwork.

Very disappointing


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:41:20
People can't be patience...

1th November


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:42:09
Because the score releases (specially for Paramount Musice) are the same the as the movie opens in USA.


Paul2019-10-29 12:56:55
@MrZimmerFan is correct and people need to be patient.


Anonymous2019-10-29 14:44:18
november 1th......


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 14:53:19
Yes, this Friday, because is the movie opening in USA.


Anonymous2019-10-29 15:09:58
but I think you meant 11th lol


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 15:31:15
xD

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-25 23:10:47
Is my mind doing tricks on me or did I hear a reprise of "Sarah's Dream" at some point ?


There were some cool reprises of the Terminator Main Theme in the final act of the movie.


mpolonest123 2019-10-25 23:32:49
@Hybrid
How does the score stack up against the previous entries? Particularly Tomís original music?

I actually enjoy Salvation and Genisys for what they try to do. I donít think they succeed as Terminator scores but on their own they work.


Markus2019-10-26 12:34:54
Does anyone know when Balfeís His Dark Materials is released ?


Knight2019-10-26 12:36:42
3rd of November will have the first of 2 albums releases

DT-2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-24 20:53:37
The music was actually pretty good. He came up with a nice new arrangement of Brad Fiedel's Terminator Theme and gave Rev-9 a new motif instead of the same motif originally used for the T-1000 but used for every villain Terminator since.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-24 21:06:46
I don't remember the T-1000 motif in Genisys and much less in Salvation. Maybe the arrangement in T3 by Beltrami (or is a new motif?)


BC2019-10-25 02:05:37
Nice. Really looking forward to hearing it in the IMAX mix next week. This and Lorne's 6 Underground are pretty much the only 2 scores I'm excited for the rest of the year.


DT-20172019-10-25 08:39:08
Mr. Zimmerman - you won't necessarily hear it on the OST for Salvation and it's not in the film, but it was included in the sessions, used before the 'Arnold' snippet. As for Genisys, it's bold as brass at the start of the John Connor hospital fight. It's also used for the Matt Smith Skynet character. The T-3000 motif afterward is a slightly adjusted version. Lorne Balfe did confirm that this was the intention. T3 has a brass version used in the Future War sequence.

It's also used quite frequently in The Sarah Connor Chronicles and even got a remix in the Terminator Salvation game.

BC reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-16 23:44:52
Seems like this is going to be a Dark Phoenix situation where we don't have a tracklist, release date or cover until the week the movie releases.

I wonder if it's because Miller is still locking down the final cut and Tom's still scoring. Either way, definitely looking forward to this and the movie.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-17 08:20:48
Like most of the releases


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 17:58:19
Tom said in his Twitter: 'Details very soon'

Altough, is only a week away


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 18:00:22
And also, be prepared for more Studio Time for the score


DT-20172019-10-21 19:45:55
The movie is out this Wednesday in some territories.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 19:58:48
But the scores comes out in 1th November


BC2019-10-22 05:54:17
We'll likely get final details towards the end of the week or early next week. I guess I'm just a little surprised that it's taken this long. The movie had surprise screenings either yesterday or the day before, so it seems like everything's pretty final.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-22 10:11:30
Think about Gemini Man, the score come out the same day as the movie (in that case, 11th October), and the details come the same week.


mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-16 00:45:45
Thereís a 3-minute clip of the truck chase on YouTube and I have to say the score sounds pretty cool. A lot of string/percussion work with an awesome electronic motif for the new ďTerminatorĒ model. Also, Brad Fiedelís theme is back. ;)

Kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-09 07:11:10
DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

T2 soundtrack is god

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 19 || 2019-10-04 02:57:51
Soon!


Jean-Luc2019-10-04 13:32:23
I'm very excited about this soundtrack, I bet that the soundtrack will release on Halloween this month. I have a feeling about Terminator, Dark Fate score might sound like Mad Max Fury Road or something new like that. I hope terminator dark fate should bring terminator main theme from the first movie or second movie, it's would be cool to put in the beginning movie.


Anonymous2019-10-04 18:25:04
brad fiedelís terminator theme is in every single film


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-04 21:59:33
It's not used in Salvation. Briefly in T3 (End Title ?) and there's a lot of Fiedel used in Lorne's.


johny5552019-10-04 22:02:00
it was used in Salvation, two times :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:09:11
The actual melody isnít used in Salvation, just the ďdun-dun-dundunĒ


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:10:30
^ Unless that was tracked in....


Anonymous2019-10-04 22:11:59
salvation still has it even if itís not on the ost. itís in the beginning of teh film


Scorefan2019-10-05 23:18:00
Ummmmm Tomo scored Alita Battle Angel and now Terminato Dark Fate. Is this a posibility Tom score Avatar sequels?


DT-20172019-10-06 09:50:36
Salvation just used the 'du-dun-dun-du-dun' part - in the opening titles, the Arnold reveal scene and in the finale. The actual theme itself is never used and apparently McG didn't want it used either. T3 had it but only in the end credits. Genisys at least used it in the opening of the film.

I get the feeling we'll get more arrangements of it this time around as well as a 'main title' arrangement.


Edmund Meinerts2019-10-06 10:13:40
Scorefan, I agree with you, it really feels like Cameron is using these projects to let JXL "audition" for the Avatar sequels. Alita wasn't a bad score and I think Terminator is a good fit for his style, but I still really hope Cameron goes a different direction with Avatar (hint: James Newton Howard). I don't think JXL has what it takes to follow in the footsteps of Horner.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-06 11:33:02
Edmund, Alita have many moments when you think Horner composed that.


johny5552019-10-06 11:36:14
Question of the day: would JXL use Horner's famous trumpet motif? :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 14:26:57
I wouldnít be surprised if James Cameron was using these projects to test JXLís ability to handle big budget films, as well as building a professional relationship with him. Seeing as how he only worked with two prior composers in the past, it would be an interesting collaboration.

And no, JXL is definitely no James Horner. But seeing how his involvement with Peter Jackson turned out Mortal Engines (the best score he has done so far imo), I would love to hear what he could deliver when working with a perfectionist like James Cameron.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 16:17:34
A good option would be to sign James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer, but this time Newton Howard is the one who makes up the majority of the movie.


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-06 16:23:10
Hans is an absolute no go for Avatar 2 ! Trust me...


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 16:35:43
@Hybrid
Good! Considering there are about 50 sequels to Avatar in production I would rather have Hans working on a variety of projects, instead of devoting his time to those. JNH would be a cool choice, I think he has the chops to turn out some amazing themes.

And while on the topic of JXL, apparently Snyder is pushing to get his cut of Justice League completed/released. I wonder if there is a possibility of us finally getting to hear Junkieís score finally, or at least having him actually get to finish whatever he started.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 17:01:18
Why is it that Hans doesn't want to make Avatar?


Anonymous2019-10-07 03:42:01
because hes worked with tony scott, ridley scott, michael bay and terrence malick. directors with a reputation about their music. he doesn't need to work with james cameron lmao


Miralsice2019-10-07 15:03:27
How about that Tim Miller hired Junkie again, since they had worked together on Deadpool and Tom write music for one episode of "Love Death and Robots" produced by Tim. And don't forget about Sonic live action where Miller also worked as executive producer. I think they are good friends, don't they?

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