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Edmund: And posted their one-sentence review of it on the Hans Zimmer fan site.Anything missed from the official release?oh damn really? huh that would be cool. even with the ultimate edition there’s still deleted scenes and I wish they were put on the Blu ray.<br><br>it plays during the scene after the knightmare when Clark is looking through the polaroids that say judge jury executioner on them. i don’t remember if that’s an extended scene or not as I’ve only seen the theatrical cut once in theaters. one and done lol"Chicken Run really makes you FEEL like you're in a concentration camp." - IGNI guess it comes from a deleted scene where Jesse Eisenberg gets playful with his dinner. Rumor has it it's gonna be included in the Snyder Cut.
I love the notion of Barack Obama and IGN teaming up to review 20 year old film scores.Smoothly done soundtrack. IGN - 10/10what the hell is Quaker steak and lube????I disagree on Catwoman. I love Zimmer's theme and I thought it is one of his most underrated themes.Loved the new tracks!<br><br>Hans & Chris really did something special.<br><br>I enjoyed the Tenet score, but honestly Ludwig's work doesn't compare to Zimmer's. I just hope they work together again instead of Chris choosing Ludwig as his main collaborator from now on.
Agreed.<br><br>I don’t know, TDKR feels a little oppressive to me in comparison with BB and TDK , probably as a result of Nolan’s musical tastes veering away from symphonic to more abstract. Reading the new book on Nolan gives me the impression that he has a very similar approach to his music as he does his filmmaking. With that said though, TDKR is still a solid conclusion to the franchise. Bane’s theme is excellent and the culmination of the various “Bat-Themes” do feel well earned. Catwoman’s theme is solid, but for some reason is dropped from most of the movie in favor of the repeating two-note phrase.<br><br>@Moggyman<br>Honestly I feel as if JNH’s work on the first two Hunger Games sequels showed a strong improvement in writing and theme building. The last score was a bit too much of a pastiche, but orchestrally a stronger fit than the first one. And “Crimes of Grindelwald” is easily one of the best sequel scores in the past few years (alongside Star Wars and HTTYD). Unfortunately we still don’t have a good album situation for that though. -_-Counterpoint: I liked Crimes of Grindelwald more than the first Fantastic Beasts. And forget Hanging Tree - "Air Raid Drill" from the first and "Sewer Attack" from the second Mockingjay are the best cues from that series. Plus, JNH honestly hasn't worked on that many sequels so we don't really have enough to go on here. <br><br>I think having JNH on board for Catwoman would have done wonders for this score. Hans' theme is okay, but feels like a bit of an afterthought compared to Bane.TDK & TDKR have amazing theme suites.<br><br>But as for the scores in film, they don't even get close to Batman Begins !I like Tom but idk he's gone downhill in my book. Alita was boring, i was over the moon excited for Terminator cause that was a perfect mix and it was disappointed big time. I'd love to hear Steve Jablonsky tackle that and get back to being as great as he used to, he has been phoning it in big time latelyOk, before I eat my words, JNH did create the Hanging Tree in Mockingjay p1 which was good, but nothing else other than that in the sequels.
For being the so called "weakest", it's very good. And if you think that Bane's theme is repetitive, I would say the same about the Joker's theme in TDK (to me they are both good though). <br><br>Now in all fairness, JNH could have probably added good material to the score since he's a genius, but I personally think he doesn't do well on sequels. Sure, in TDK he gave harvey dent a theme that resonated with his character (but was similar to material already used in BB). Yet, if you look at his work in the hunger games, its seems to me that he couldn't bring something both new and compelling to the sequels as he did in the first movie. I will agree with you that Batman Begins has the best music of the series though.After re-listening to this one, it's clearly the weakest of the trilogy. Of course it's not bad, the new themes are pretty good (though I think Bane's theme is a bit too repetitive and dry at times), there's still emotional moments, but JNH's absence really left a hole in this score.<br><br>I get to an extent that's the point, that all of Bruce's potential for a happy life is gone, but even the emotional tracks to me have nowhere near the emotional resonance that JNH's themes brought to the films. <br><br>"Come With Me" is the best example, where the slow emotional Selina Kyle chords just don't leave much of an impact. Definitely could have used JNH's "Courthouse Pt. 1" or the main theme from "Bruce Left For Dead" to emphasize Bruce's giving up of a quiet life. <br><br>Of course I still appreciate the way the 2 note motif is developed into a theme of its own, as well as the score as a whole, but then you get tracks like "Many Forms of Immortality" which just emphasize how much more effective the thematic work in Batman Begins was.It could also be Tom, who worked on Run All Night, and is already an established DC composer<br>Either way I'll be happyI lowkey think James is gonna score the Black Adam movie. it's the same director from Jungle Cruise so I'm sure he'll be brought along for itsame
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Lorne Balfe
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His Dark Materials (TV Series - Season 2) (The Musical Anthology)
Label: Silva Screen Records
Length: 31'18
HZimmer.com rating:        Not yet rated
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  1. The Subtle Knife (4:53)
  2. Play The Serpent (2:59)
  3. Dark Materials - Between The Worlds (1:34)
  4. A Spectre's Playground (2:29)
  5. A New Cardinal Rises (3:58)
  6. The Witch Queen Of Lake Lubana (3:31)
  7. Children Of The Prophecy (3:00)
  8. The City In The Sky (5:01)
  9. The Shaman (3:53)
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MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 9 || 2020-11-23 16:36:54
Henry Jackman is now Black Widow's composer, apparently in his instagram, posted a photo


NotSoAnonymous2020-11-23 16:48:36
Henry doesn't have an official Instagram. It looks like you are referring to the account "henry0262020" which appears to be a fake account, to the best of my knowledge.


Hybrid Soldier2020-11-23 16:52:51
Yeah 100% fake... And there was HJ rumor on Black Widow sometimes last year, so if you do the math...


Anonymous2020-11-23 21:42:56
damn it would be kinda awesome and hilarious if Lorne Balfe got Lorne Balfe’d LOL


Graham2020-11-25 01:16:35
Why is Lorne Balfe not nominated for a Grammy for Ad Astra ?


AndreasM2020-11-25 11:16:39
The poster shows Lorne Balfe as the composer.

But then it also did have Desplat!


MusoPT2020-11-26 00:36:59
Jackman is not replacing Balfe!
Balfe is the most busiest composer at the moment so he isn’t going to get replaced last minute!!!!!


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-26 18:08:55
...wouldn't being really busy be an argument *for* him possibly being replaced? When you're signed on to 10 movies and release schedules are being constantly pushed around because nobody has a clue when theaters are going to open again, you shouldn't be surprised if eventually you might run into some conflicts.


Andy2020-11-27 18:26:26
Wait!
So has Balfe been replaced due to having other projects?
I thought it had been completed?


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-28 00:32:18
No no, it's just a fake rumor. I was just responding to that MusoPT guy who made it sound like it's totally inconceivable that Balfe could ever be replaced.

MrHarris reply Replies: 1 || 2020-11-21 16:52:19
I understand the comments about the orchestra sounding like samples by some of the comments?

If you follow his Twitter you see the BBC orchestra recording the soundtrack.Season two is cool and Balfe’s music is bigger that season 1.Bit choirs also.


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-21 17:01:22
That recording footage makes it all the more baffling to me why the end product sounds the way it does.

Adam reply Replies: 0 || 2020-11-17 14:59:05
Really excellent soundtrack this season.
We only got the first episode last night and the incidental score is much dark fantasy.
Well done.

Dirk reply Replies: 3 || 2020-11-17 00:50:40
Slightly disappointed by the Balfster. The themes he had for the first season were brilliant and truly ingenious.

I do wonder why this season one can't make out anything from the cacophony. I think the Balfe has mistaken a wall of sound for greatness. Balfe is known to have finesse, this latest season is a cacophony of sound. Balfe's mixing is a huge problem now.

If this was recorded by the BBC Orchestra, I would ask Balfe to reimburse me.

Balfe is a nice guy but I do not EVER understand his choices in mixing his scores to sound like samples......ho hey.


rockhound2020-11-17 11:43:58
The music on this albun is good, but i also think the Anthology for Season 1 is much better. And i also have a problem with the sound. For me, many parts sound also like samples than a live orchestra. That problem had already the double cd for Season 1, but at least the Anthology for Season 1 sounded like real orchestral music. Anyway, im still looking forward to the Season 2 album.


Malcom 2020-11-17 12:09:51
I think I preferred the music from the first Anthology but then since watching season 2 I prefer it’s soundtrack.

It’s a much darker story than one.

Music really reflects this well and dark.The City in the Sky and The Shamen are my favorite tracks.


Mr Tweedy2020-11-17 13:43:04
Remember these are only "theme suites" and not the actual score as heard in the series. I'm pretty sure the themes from season 1 (+ Anthology) will come back during this 2nd season's indicental music
Nonetheless, the new themes are weaker than the material from season 1, for sure.

MrBen reply Replies: 0 || 2020-11-17 08:51:46
This season’s soundtrack is way better than the lat one.larger sounding

A New Cardinal Rises and The Shamen are the best tracks on the album.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2020-11-12 12:14:51
Jungleland out tomorrow

https://music.apple.com /nz/album/jungleland- original-motion-picture-score/1538478365


Knight2020-11-12 15:13:09
Just as I suspected, it sounds pretty damn great. Never heard this kind of brass-heavy writing from Lorne at all, so refreshing.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 29 || 2020-11-04 20:20:10
Really looking forward to this. As far as Balfe scores go, “His Dark Materials” was as close to a masterpiece as he’s gotten so far.


superultramegaa2020-11-04 21:50:08
True. I actually felt like he had a unique vision for that one. Unfortunately I heard the in-show tracks sucked compared to the anthology ones.


Knight2020-11-05 00:29:48
You heard wrong.


mpolonest123 2020-11-05 01:32:35
@superultramega

I initially felt that way when listening to the stand-alone album (which itself is missing some important cues) but after seeing the show I could definitely hear how Lorne took his wide pallet of themes and musical colours and developed them throughout the season.

And yeah there are a number of cues that definitely veer towards the more stereotypical “Balfe Action Sound” or more general sound design, but there if you are a fan of fantasy scores with variety and a large number of themes it’s easily worth checking out.


Macejko2020-11-05 09:14:59
I did enjoy Lorne's HDM a lot too, but I have one major gripe with it: despite strong themes and the kind of epic fantasy writing that gets my heart racing, it sounds really sterile at times. Too clean. As if it were made in a lab.


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-05 18:13:28
Yeah, I sort of agree with Macejko. There are some really cool themes and ideas but, as with many Lorne scores, the production of it makes it sound a bit cheap to me. I know he rarely does, but I think this project really merited getting a live orchestra. Sadly that's a big part of the reason why he's in such high demand - he's inexpensive and fast, and cutting out the recording process helps a ton with that.

It actually bothers me more with this than it does with many of his less interesting scores because of the quality of the material.


Knight2020-11-05 18:52:54
Ah are we back on the tinfoil hat theory that Balfe doesn't use live orchestras cause he has a very processed mix?

Balfe had 2 orchestras for recording HDM season 1 Edmund, there are many recording session video snippets of them.


Mike2020-11-05 20:24:16
Edmund - It shows you are not a professional because Balfe posts the orchestra sessions all the time.Sounds real to me but I’m not a composer

Or maybe it’s all made up !!!


superultramegaa2020-11-05 21:55:16
Lmao, back to everyone immediately going for Edmund even though Macejko thought the same thing. Not that I blame either of them, it does sound like samples to me, and I work with them all the time! It's just how Lorne's scores are mixed for some weird reason.


Pilas2020-11-05 22:15:21
If samples sounded as good as Balfe’s Dark Materials then there is no need for orchestras!!!!!Also check the credits. The BBC Welsh Symphony orchestra is the orchestra


Macejko2020-11-05 23:28:23
I never said that I thought Lorne didn't use an orchestra . I knew that he did, even though Edmund did made me double-check. Just goes to show how easily can someone believe that HDM was produced using samples only. It really needs a bit more "organic" sound in places, for the lack of a better word.


Brian2020-11-06 00:10:33
How can it be organic when it has synths and electronic cellos for example?Dark Materials is a hybrid score so is a mix of electronic instruments and real instruments.


superultramegaa2020-11-06 00:46:30
Look up Halo 3 ODST or Halo: Reach soundtrack. They organically use electronics, but the orchestra still sounds expressive and realistic. Hell, even Batman Begins or Transformers 2 have beautiful orchestras with the electronic elements.

Not that HDM sounds bad, it's a minor criticism that Balfe's scores sound too clean, and in some ways is a good thing. It's more a question of preference whether that sound bothers you or not.


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-06 12:40:38
Maybe he does use a real orchestra but somewhere in the production process he does something that makes it sound fake, which makes one wonder why he bothers.

"If samples sounded as good as Balfe’s Dark Materials then there is no need for orchestras!!!!!"

Words cannot convey just how much I disagree with this statement.


Michael2020-11-06 15:05:01
I think I would rather Steve Lipson and Alan Meyersons experienced opinion than some of this groups thoughts when it comes to mixing.why would Balfe want it to sound bad?His music is great and just sounds like jealousy.



Knight2020-11-06 15:56:09
> why would Balfe want it to sound bad?

Because he doesn't think it sounds bad. The same reason James Newton Howard keeps mixing his scores like cardboard or Holkenborg mixing his own music like grunge brickwalled garbage. Because that's how they want or like it to sound.


Andrew2020-11-06 16:40:14
Dear Knight, having worked with Lorne I know he knows more about music production than you.His attention to detail is impeccable in the mix and production.Your opinion about James and Tom is also greatly wrong.It is a style of production.You may not personally like it but that doesn’t mean it is inferior.Please read Steve Lipson’s Sunday blog and you will learn a lot about these composers skills.


MaxK2020-11-06 16:42:48
Everytime Balfe has a new score it’s the same rubbish about how it sounds!
It sounds epic to me and great melodies for Dark Materials


Knight2020-11-06 17:03:01
Gee Andrew I never would have fuckin guessed that a composer like Lorne knows more about music production than a layman. I don't give a shit if you think my opinion about James or Tom is wrong, I don't like those mixing styles and I doubt I will ever like them, so me reading a blog about how skilled they are won't matter in the slightest.

P.S. JNH and Lorne are 2 of my favourite composers in the business so don't try jumping on my case like I have seen you do with Edmund and others countless times before.


David2020-11-08 01:30:33
The score just got released and He nailed it again and it’s even better than season 1


Powellfan2020-11-08 05:02:29
JNH scores sound like cardboard Knight? What does that mean, mid-heavy?

> Steve Lipson’s Sunday blog

Where can I find that?


Knight2020-11-08 20:25:07
@Powellfan

He mixes the large majority of his scores like papery garbage (Red Sparrow, The Huntsman: Winter's War, Salt, Hunger Games Mockingjay 1&2, 2 especially holy crap that one sounds awful), and a lot of the ones he doesn't he undermixes elements so that they aren't as punchy as they would be if they were mixed normally (Fantastic Beasts 1&2, The Nutcracker). I think the amount of orchestral scores he has actually mixed very well I can count off one hand (The Water Horse, The Tourist). The Water Horse is like my gold standard for any of his scores cause everything about it sounds bloody fantastic.


Michael2020-11-08 23:49:08
Forst episode was amazing and the anthology Is big and great memories


MrMalone2020-11-09 15:59:32
Finally watched episode 1 and the soundtrack was even better than last year.I think today alone I’ve listened to the album 5 times.Bit short in length


Edmund Meinerts2020-11-09 17:40:41
Agree with you Knight especially about Mockingjay 2. That is one of the worst recorded scores I have ever heard, especially in the digital age. It makes what on paper is a fantastic action cue, "Sewer Attack", into a screeching assault on the eardrums that's frankly painful to listen to. It is so so so shrill and treble-heavy. Then at the opposite end of the spectrum you have Crimes of Grindelwald which is so muffled it sounds like it was recorded underwater. And in between is Nutcracker which is a bit underpowered but otherwise sounds gorgeous. Dunno what's up with JNH lately, he's all over the shop with his recordings. Even The Tourist which you exempt I find too treble-heavy in parts.

But Mockingjay 2, gah. That's the absolute pits. Even Balfe's scores sound way better than that one! :p


Knight2020-11-09 18:36:58
Surprising to see someone else share the opinion of JNH's crap mixing. xD I don't think I've seen anyone else ever comment on it even though it seems very obvious to me, but that's personal taste/priorities I guess. It's a damn shame too imo cause he's been recording/mixing his scores like this for almost 3 decades now with only a few actual great mixes.

I really only consider The Tourist to be good because all the orchestral elements are nicely defined even if the merging with the electronics is a tad dry and jarring.


Powellfan2020-11-09 23:18:13
I'll have to actively listen to those and see what I think. Edmund, I just listened to Sewer Attack and I don't think it's that bad. It is... I'd say overly crisp rather than shrill but if you don't listen to it too loud it's ok.

It's funny you mention The Water Horse; there a single, really loud percussion hit on one track that terrifies the shit out of me whenever I forget to expect it. It's astoundingly loud compared to what's going on.


18682020-11-10 02:07:24
A shame that he did not have patience to let the instruments perform. The rest is synth soup. Balfe is unfortunately limited in skill and will play what we tell him to play.

It is not his fault.


Moggyman2020-11-11 07:13:13
Yeah, JNH isn't always the best at sound mixing. He can create some brilliant stuff and other times, it just doesn't sound quite right. I think he does better when he starts fresh on a big budget film instead of sequels. As for Balfe, I think his career is just getting started. I was super impressed by MIF and his score for Ad Astra. If anything, I'm optimistic about his score for Black Widow.


David182020-11-11 11:15:40
I never knew Lorne Balfe could write like this!It is an interesting mixture of John Williams and Hans Zimmer together.

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