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Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfeís part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesnít seem to represent that for some reason.
I really liked Richterís score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richterís score is used (alongside Balfeís material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly itís a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, itís very pretty. Iíll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His ďMusic For AirportsĒ and ďThe Lovely BonesĒ are excellent if you like more introspective music.
btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, Iíve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. Itís funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfeís contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). Itís disappointing that they didnít include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.
Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?"The Wanderer", "Event Horizon", "You Have To Let Me Go" and "Tuesday (Voiceless)" = WOW WOW WOW!!!Zanelli is no James Newton Howard, but he did a fantastic job with writing a large scale fantasy score. Iíll even say that, while I think the first Maleficent is stronger overall, I personally like the action writing better here. Also 2 little things Iíve noticed;<br><br>1. The new theme here sounds fairly similar to the Father/Son tune from KFP3<br>2. 2:20-3:30 sounds like it may have been temped from the finale of Fantastic Beasts. (Or maybe Iím just crazy lol)Great work of Zanelli, if is not as good like JNH's Maleficent, is a tremendous work, with a terrific writing and orchestrations, even the most tender parts are terrific.
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Additional Music
Hans ZimmerHeitor PereiraMichael BrookJim Dooley
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional MusicAdditional Music
Black Hawk Down (Expanded Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 186'20
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  1. Hunger (6:36)
  2. Garrison Briefing (4:19)
  3. Calm Before The Storm (5:04)
  4. Chant (5:44)
  5. Hostages - Pila Is Dead (5:01)
  6. Black Hawk Down (3:26)
  7. Moving Out (3:24)
  8. After The Crash (2:57)
  9. In School (1:28)
  10. Crash Site (5:48)
  11. Of The Earth (2:19)
  12. Roadblock (2:42)
  13. Super 64 Going Down (5:19)
  14. Cover Me (3:35)
  15. Ashes To Ashes (4:43)
  16. Leave No Man Behind (2:18)
  17. Overview (1:16)
  18. Draw Off Fire (1:23)
  19. Get Us Out Of Here (3:05)
  20. Rescue (8:02)
  21. Hold Your Fire (3:37)
  22. Garrison Requests UN Troops (2:37)
  23. Firimbi Interrogation (1:34)
  24. Pinned Down (4:35)
  25. Holy War (1:12)
  26. It's Nothing (2:03)
  27. Tribal War (3:08)
  28. Evac - Run To The Stadium (9:48)
  29. It's About The Men Next To You (3:10)
  30. Still (4:48)
  31. Hunger (Alternate) (6:36)
  32. Bakara (Suite) (3:14)
  33. Marketplace (Suite) (1:43)
  34. Chant (Suite) (2:34)
  35. Market (Suite) (2:46)
  36. Pila Is Dead (Alternate I) (2:22)
  37. Pila Is Dead (Alternate II) (2:22)
  38. Black Hawk Down (Suite) (1:39)
  39. Ascent (Suite) (5:36)
  40. Vale Of Plenty (Suite) (2:28)
  41. Synchrotone (Suite) (2:40)
  42. Tribal War (Album Version) (2:40)
  43. Monitors (Suite) (2:37)
  44. Super 64 Going Down (Demo) (3:44)
  45. Leave No Man Behind (Alternate) (2:22)
  46. Still (Reprise) (2:12)
  47. Mogadishu Blues (Suite) (2:54)
  48. Get Us Out Of Here (Alternate) (3:08)
  49. The Next Turn (Suite) (3:14)
  50. Leave No Man Behind (Suite) (6:19)
  51. Run To The Stadium (Alternate) (2:22)
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Michael Baker reply Replies: 2 || 2019-04-26 06:37:46
I haven't seen much discussion of this, at least not on the BHD pages. so I'll bring it up...

What credits do we know on this score, if any?


Mr Tweedy2019-04-26 17:23:34
Well, most of the process for this score was based on a collaborative effort by the BHD Band (Zimmer/Brook/Eastman/Pereira/Tillman).
The themes are HZ (Leave No Man Behind Suite aka "Brothers", the string progression from Still, Tribal War).

HZ wrote most of the thematic cues from the beginning of the process : the opening of Hunger and Of the Earth (with added lyrics by singer Baaba Maal).
Tillman improvised the electric cello from Ashes to Ashes.
It appears Craig Eastman arranged the Vale of Plenty track. Bakara was written by Jeff Rona.
Mel Wesson wrote the Flight to Bakara ambient section from Chant.
Mogadishu Blues is an Heitor Pereira cue.

Jim Dooley and Trevor Morris helped on Tribal War (film version) - the beginning of the final battle.
Ilan Eshkeri contributed to After the Crash and segments of Rescue.
I remember seeing the BHD Band jamming with the "Hold Your Fire" track in the behind the scene.


Michael Baker2019-04-28 22:11:39
Thanks, Mr. Tweedy. I'm surprised the Leave No Man Behind suite didn't make it onto the World of Hans Zimmer setlist. But I guess they can't include every movie.

alihaidar paradox reply Replies: 0 || 2018-08-10 09:31:24
the feeling that comes to me when I hear your music is indescribable. You interfere me in another world.. I m waiting your new music.. All the best

Guzz reply Replies: 5 || 2018-03-10 14:38:06
I've read an article about BHD and here a quote which amused me:

"The score being very experimental, Hans Zimmer was afraid there would not be much music suitable for a listening experience on compact disc."

HAHAHA, damn how time has changed. What are your fears now Mr. Zimmer, after you've killed the listening experience totally with your scores lately, like Dunkirk and all those Drone scores. In comparisson to your work now, BHD is a melodical and listening experience paradise!


Mike (OTM)2018-03-10 22:30:15
Well. You're not wrong.

I was noticing the same thing watching Black Hawk Down recently. Compared to his recent output, it's practically beautiful. And it has...ya know...THEMES. lol.


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-10 23:48:39
If you'd take Hans to his words, no music he ever wrote would have been released.


Olive2018-03-11 00:07:55
Hans is an advertiser. He is able to say anything to draw attention to his work! He has not acquired all the popularity he has for nothing.


Ian2018-03-11 02:05:01
Olive - I'm not sure I agree; I think Hans loves the attention, but he also seems to be more concerned with telling a good story than actually being, you know, right. A prime example of this is his "The Dark Knight movies were twelve years of our lives." when by every confirmable account he worked on them over a period of seven years.


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-11 10:11:38
Hans gets mixed up with dates...

He's not like us, watching his career year by year... I remember in an interview he even had to ask his assistant Cynthia about what year The Lion King was done... He worked 8 years on TDK Trilogy... When he started to tell that story, it had been 12 years that he started... But he mixed up, and kept telling 12 years WORKING on it... lol

BHD Fan reply Replies: 6 || 2018-02-27 05:55:37
How does the "sessions" leak compare to this above tracklisting?

1. BHD.1M1/2/3/4 (5:58)
2. BHD.1M1/2/3/4Rmx (6:46)
3. BHD.1M1AL Rmx (2:15)
4. BHD.2M12 (4:30)
5. BHD.2M15/16B (5:21)
6. BHD.2M16A (1:46)
7. BHD.3M18 (11:22)
8. BHD.3M18w vox (6:41)
9. BHD.3M19Insert (2:17)
10. BHD.3M20 (5:47)
11. BHD.3M20Rmx (2:27)
12. BHD.3M20w Vox (5:47)
13. BHD.3M21 (3:18)
14. BHD.4M22pt1 2 (3:22)
15. BHD.4M23 (4:36)
16. BHD.4M24 (2:16)
17. BHD.4M24 New (1:54)
18. BHD.4M25 26A B (11:06)
19. BHD.4M25OvrLy (2:38)
20. BHD.5M27A (2:29)
21. BHD.5M27B (1:09)
22. BHD.5M28 (2:21)
23. BHD.5M28Rmx (2:17)
24. BHD.5M29A (1:24)
25. BHD.5M29B (3:10)
26. BHD.5M29BRedo (3:09)
27. BHD.5M29C New (1:14)
28. BHD.5M30/33 (7:02)
29. BHD.6M34 (3:36)
30. BHD.6M34ANew (1:23)
31. BHD.6M35 (2:48)
32. BHD.6M35BNew (1:59)
33. BHD.6M36 (2:03)
34. BHD.6M37 (3:38)
35. BHD.6M37alt2 (1:17)
36. BHD.7M38 (1:12)
37. BHD.7M39 (1:40)
38. BHD.7M40 (3:08)
39. BHD.7M40w xtras (3:08)
40. BHD.7M41/42 (9:49)
41. BHD.7M42 (4:22)
42. BHD.8M43 (3:12)

Most of the track times do not seem to add up and the sessions appear to be even in the wrong sequence. Anyone got any ideas? Are these cue numbers fake or something?


Mr Tweedy2018-02-27 10:25:45
You got the original version with sessions track names. The expanded score featured here is a re-organized version aimed for a better listening experience.
Nonetheless, both versions are still incomplete !


BHD Fan2018-02-28 00:00:41
So the one by Hybrid moves some tracks around?


Mr Tweedy2018-03-01 23:50:47
Well, I've been heavily involved in remastering unreleased scores with Hybrid Soldier for about 10 years.

The version of BHD showed on this page is my work. I edited some tracks together (such as 2m15_16B with 2m16A that were originally meant to be mixed together, while they were presented on the sessions in an almost unlistenable, non-chronological way), and I worked several days in order to get the best audio mix possible.

As we got many different sources for this score (sessions, various promos, soundtrack album...), I made a version that is as complete as possible. A few tracks are still missing from every version available.

So, no, Hybrid didn't move tracks around, that's me who tried to provide the best, most complete presentation of this score. And this is Hybrid who decided to showcase this version here.


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-01 23:53:27
^

What he said... Even though, sometimes, yeah, I do move tracks around ! lol


Marcorea12018-03-02 02:27:41
I too made my own edit. Not complete but just an alternative listen using the tracks I thought was best. ĎThe Mogadishu commemorativeí


BHD Fan2018-03-03 04:19:59
Mr Tweedy thanks for replying. Can you give a rough breakdown of what tracks from the "sessions" correspond to your version seen here? You are right in that some of the sessions tracks are un-listenable and while I don't have the promos CDs and extra stuff, it'd be interesting to see how you came up with the version seen here.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 11 || 2018-02-27 13:53:30
This was in many ways the start of a downfall for HZ. A truly collaborative process, and in many ways a revolutionary score.

Yet, the silly sound design stuff started here which now makes him such an inadequate composer. No one wants a Hans score anymore (well except his usual collaborators). This will phase out soon and Zimmer will be another Faltermeyer and Moroder whereas he could have been a Williams.


Bibi2018-02-27 14:19:11
I pray to see "downfalls" like this one then !


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-27 15:02:36
Not me. (Although I'm not a big fan of this score either...)


Mike (OTM)2018-02-27 19:30:02
Any way we could make accounts on this site? I've had the same problem. I used to be pretty much the only "Mike" here, so I went by "Mike." Now I need a way to differentiate myself from some, uh....zealous fanboy Mikes. ;)


Olive 2018-02-28 00:01:08
For one second I believed in tjis comment! Lol This was made for a Balfe fanboy for sure.


Olive2018-02-28 00:02:30
I vote for personal accounts too!


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-28 00:04:30
It will happen with the new version of the site...



Please don't ask me when that's happening... Right Antas ? lol


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-28 09:13:38
Well that's good to hear! (Although I hope you keep your green text, Hybrid. :D )


isildur2018-02-28 11:23:42
Looks like all the trolls (or maybe just one, posting with different names) decided it's time to shift from Facebook to here. At least try to be a bit creative, all your posts are basically of same template.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-28 12:31:21
Bah... At least it's creating traffic on the site, defeating his purpose... lol


Medigo2018-02-28 22:44:33
I'd like it if I could at least keep my Edmunds straight


Ian2018-03-03 03:35:19
Honestly, I see a lot of merit to "Edmund"'s argument. Thematic content aside, Black Hawk Down has this really weird - shitty, frankly - blend of synthetic and orchestral content that just doesn't work IMO. Ironically, a score like Inferno does a better job at that.

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PABLO reply Replies: 0 || 2006-05-10 00:00:00
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Mathis reply Replies: 0 || 2006-02-23 00:00:00
I really like the style of the music (especially track 01) where/how do I find more like it? what is the origin/style of it?

thanks a lot.

Mathis.

Mathis reply Replies: 0 || 2006-02-23 00:00:00
I really like the style of the music (especially track 01) where/how do I find more like it? what is the origin/style of it?

thanks a lot.

Mathis.

mikee bruno reply Replies: 0 || 2006-01-20 00:00:00
very good , I also had to compose in a similar style and this track as been a good inspiration.
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Brian reply Replies: 0 || 2006-01-04 00:00:00
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Brian reply Replies: 0 || 2006-01-02 00:00:00
Please email me to ######
if anyone has any of the Black Hawk Down promo CD'S.Thanks !

sergio cardoso reply Replies: 0 || 2005-10-03 00:00:00
Hi, i dont speak english very well, but , i am braziliam and i woud like the emaill from Heitor Pereira, i want talk to him, about any musics by composed to him. Tanks!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2004-11-28 00:00:00
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