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Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfeís part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesnít seem to represent that for some reason.
I really liked Richterís score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richterís score is used (alongside Balfeís material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly itís a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, itís very pretty. Iíll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His ďMusic For AirportsĒ and ďThe Lovely BonesĒ are excellent if you like more introspective music.
btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, Iíve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. Itís funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfeís contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). Itís disappointing that they didnít include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.
Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?"The Wanderer", "Event Horizon", "You Have To Let Me Go" and "Tuesday (Voiceless)" = WOW WOW WOW!!!Zanelli is no James Newton Howard, but he did a fantastic job with writing a large scale fantasy score. Iíll even say that, while I think the first Maleficent is stronger overall, I personally like the action writing better here. Also 2 little things Iíve noticed;<br><br>1. The new theme here sounds fairly similar to the Father/Son tune from KFP3<br>2. 2:20-3:30 sounds like it may have been temped from the finale of Fantastic Beasts. (Or maybe Iím just crazy lol)Great work of Zanelli, if is not as good like JNH's Maleficent, is a tremendous work, with a terrific writing and orchestrations, even the most tender parts are terrific.
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Hans ZimmerMark MancinaJohn Van TongerenJay Rifkin
Composer : Main ThemeComposerComposerMusic Scoring Mixer
Millennium - Tribal Wisdom And The Modern World (TV Series)
Label: Narada Records
Length: 53'52
HZimmer.com rating:        4/5
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  1. Shaman's Song (0:27)
  2. Stones For A Thousand Years (1:00)
    Hans Zimmer, John Van Tongeren
  3. The Journey Begins (1:58)
    Mark Mancina
  4. The Stone Drag (2:19)
    Mark Mancina
  5. Courting Song - Love In The Himalayas (3:18)
    John Van Tongeren
  6. Inventing Reality (2:16)
    Mark Mancina
  7. Fiddlers - Pilgrimage To Wirikuta (4:30)
    John Van Tongeren
  8. The Shock Of The Other (7:15)
    Mark Mancina
  9. Race Of The Initiates (2:00)
    John Van Tongeren
  10. The Art Of Living (2:18)
    John Van Tongeren
  11. Geerewol Celebrations (5:01)
    Hans Zimmer, Mark Mancina
  12. Song For The Dead (0:56)
    John Van Tongeren
  13. Pilgrim's Chant - In The Land Of The Ancestors (3:50)
    John Van Tongeren
  14. An Ecology Of Mind (4:32)
    John Van Tongeren
  15. Well Song - A Desert Home (3:37)
    John Van Tongeren
  16. Initation Chant - Rites Of Passage (2:09)
    John Van Tongeren
  17. The Journey Continues (3:13)
    Hans Zimmer, Mark Mancina
  18. Millennium Theme (3:06)
    Hans Zimmer
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2019-08-19 15:26:13
So is nobody going to point out that Hans just casually slipped a theme from Black Rain into the middle of "Millennium Theme"...like, note for note? :p


NB2019-08-19 15:34:05
Yeah, that theme starting at 1:35 is totally Black Rain! I love it though.

NB reply Replies: 0 || 2019-08-07 17:23:05
I've been 'rediscovering' this gem recently, and I really love this work.
I have to admit it came as a surprise to me when I found out that Hans Zimmer only wrote the main theme (and maybe a couple other things), but Mancina's style really becomes apparent in the majority of the work if you really listen to it, as well as Van Tongeren's tracks having a distinct vibe, while everything sounds it belongs on the same package for sure.
Great hidden gem, and in a lot ways a percursor to 'The Lion King'. Heck, 'The Journey Begins' totally sounds like one of TLK's themes!

MacArthur reply Replies: 2 || 2013-11-08 21:20:00
I didn't know this wasn't Zimmer


Edmund Meinerts2013-11-08 21:30:42
Contrary to what you seem to think, not everything is.


MacArthur2013-11-08 21:40:44
I don't care what I think I was just stating that I didn't know cause iTunes didn't say Mark Mancina.

and he's pretty known.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-01-21 00:00:00
Little tracklist update if you're interested... ;)

Suicune reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-07 00:00:00
This soundtrack is really awesome. Mancina did a very good job with this one. I have listened this soundtrack many many many times and I am still not bored of it.

Compatto reply Replies: 0 || 2007-03-09 00:00:00
Hans Zimmer wrote just the Main Theme, the rest of the score is by Mark Mancina

abde|hamid reply Replies: 0 || 2007-01-13 00:00:00
What a masterpiece !?!

bows to the master :)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2006-10-17 00:00:00
What's wrong with this score ?

Zimmer is credited as composer... But Mancina too... Who is the real composer ? į_į ???

I read somewhere that Mancina wrote few things under Zimmer's name... Is that the case ? ^_^ !

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