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Just realized I’ve been calling the movie “Windows” instead of “Widows”. <br>Ugh it’s been a long day -_-Just took a look at the trailer and am really impressed with how the film looks, not what I was expecting at all. I honestly don’t know what approach Zimmer will take either, although if I had to guess probably more sound design-ish.<br><br>And outside of “Injection” and “Bare Island” I find MI2 to be bland and all over the place stylistically. Just my opinion though, I know a lot of people love that score ;-)mpolonest123, have you seen the trailer for Widows? Zimmer created the music for that trailer and I assume it came from the movie. If that is the case, it will sound nothing like TTRL.M:I2 is a blast to listen to. I just have a hard time imagine it to be a MI score. But it is one of the most fun scores from Zimmer.And as far Zimmer scores that I don’t like for the most part, there is a small handful (Madagascar, MI2, etc.)
That’s completely fair, and I honestly couldn’t defend this score and be genuine about it. I think it does help that I love this movie (despite being hard to watch) and have come to associate the music with it so much. Still, I can’t lie that I find portions of it to be incredibly effective, even when the music does become solely ambient. In terms of listenability/originality the best cue is, ironically, the 24-second “Washington” cue.<br><br>I would kill to know what Zimmer personally thinks of this score. I’m sure he had a great working relationship with Steve, hence him working on “Windows”, but I’m sure the temptrack must have been murder on his creativity...This is my least favorite Zimmer score, actually. Or else the one that I feel has the least going for it; I guess it doesn't make me mad like On Stranger Tides, but at the same time it lacks anything even remotely compelling. "Boat Trip to New Orleans" is the only halfway interesting cue and even then I don't really like to listen to it much. The experimental parts aren't interesting experiments (ooh...clapping...wow), and the Journey to the Line stuff is just tired and bland (on top of being super derivative). I get that it works in the movie or whatever but if I had a gun to my head with orders to delete one Hans score from my library and never listen to it again, I'm pretty sure this would be the one I'd go for.Even 5 years later, I’m still not sure how I feel about this score. <br><br>On one hand, the music complements the film extremely well. “Boat Trip to New Orleans” and “Soap” are both incredible in context, and even some of the more ambient cues are pretty effective. Alongside Interstellar probably Hans’ most minimilastic score, something which actually suits him well.<br><br>On the other hand, the Time/Journey to the Line temp is extremely blatant, and it definitely doesn’t help that 60% of the music used in film is basically a variation on that one idea (and some cues are purely sound effects). I still admire the score though, regardless of the familiarity issues.<br><br>With Windows coming out I’m very curious to see what approach will be. Personally, I like seeing Zimmer tackle a project with minimalism. Hopefully McQueen (who is a very talented director) doesn’t box Hans in with another TTRL temp... or any temp for that matter.Are you going to visit Russia?!) We are waiting for very much!)He posted it before this site added the tracklist.
Did you just copied and paste the tracklist above? lmaoThe reprise of "Batman on Fire" from Begins (1:59-2:30 in the Transfiguration suite) is good stuff! I wonder why Hans decided to reuse that particular idea.When are we going to see you in Chicago?Indeed, this score reminds me — in a good way — of The Rock.Track 11, Onwards, here is my most favorite cue from the CoH franchise. It has that old school "power anthem" thing going on about it with full force. I truly wish this style is brought back to life again soon.
Are there any more tour dates planned?Lord of the Rings - Shore<br>Battlestar Galactica - McCreary<br><br>Both are up there as my two favorite collection of works. GOT doesn't even compare to BSG. <br><br>For solo albums, my candidates are:<br><br>Titanic<br>The Lion King<br>Interstellar<br>Memoirs of a Geisha<br>Jurassic Park<br><br><br> <br><br>@superultramega<br>Honestly I feel like most of the issues with AUJ (and the other two hobbit films) were stemming from Peter Jackson editing the hell out of the music after the fact. It could be why they ended up dumping some themes in the following films.<br><br>Still, I don’t understand some of the criticism that the Hobbit trilogy scores received. DoS has some of the best action material imo, and the interpolations of Smaug’s theme(s) throughout the films are personally some of my favorite music from any LoTR project.<br><br>And this might be controversial, but I would put PoTC (the first three at least) on the level of Lord of the Rings in terms of the sheer amount of themes and development they receive. Maybe not quite as complex but they shouldn’t be overlooked.The Lion King and The Last Samurai are good choices, but I'm not as much of a fan as Zimmer's aesthetic or thematic work nearly as much as Howard Shore, or even Jablonskly at times. Game of Thrones I still can't comment on as I've never watched the show, or payed attention to Djawadi in general.<br><br>I would say Shore's heart wasn't in Desolation and Five Armies, but to say that about Unexpected Journey doesn't really feel right to me. Even themes like Gondor Restored and Nazgul's uses have some logic to them. <br><br>Gondor Restored was also used when the Ring is destroyed, meaning it also has a secondary meaning of victory against evil, (yes I know it affected Gondor too, but Gondor it isn't as direct). Which also applies in The Hobbit, as Bilbo saving Thorin was not only important for their relationship but also the future of Middle Earth as Thorin is vital to the battle against the orcs in Five Armies. <br><br>The Nazgul theme also makes sense as its first appearance is in Fellowship's opening, playing over Sauron's army of orcs, then Sauron himself. So it's linked both to Sauron himself and his servants, which includes Azog. Plus the version that plays in the film is the exact same variant (and lyrics) that plays in the Fellowship prologue. It serves almost as a precursor to the Nazgul. Plus I don't see why themes can't have several meanings anyway.  <br><br>Plus I love most of the new themes of AUJ (before they were abandoned in later films).Not really a fair comparison, Hybrid, since videogames as a medium are much younger than films, and their scores weren't using real orchestras right until... mid 90's, would be my guess (feel free to correct me, guys).<br><br>The all time best film score for me would be a battle between The Last Samurai and Lion King. If "movie" includes TV shows, then it's Game of Thrones without a doubt, but I'm not gonna have this argument again ;)<br><br>Btw. I wouldn't mention Hobbit in the same sentence with LotR, even music-wise. A couple of great cues cannot hide the fact that Shore's heart wasn't in it.
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Steamboy
Label: Domo Records
Length: 60'49
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  1. Manchester 1866 (5:13)
  2. The Chase (5:02)
  3. Unexpected Meeting (2:20)
  4. Scarlet (1:30)
  5. Raid By The Airship (2:37)
  6. London World Exposition (3:33)
  7. The Atelier Of Ray (1:40)
  8. Crystal Palace Waltz (2:12)
  9. Ray's Dilemma (5:37)
  10. The Sortie Of Scotland Yard (1:46)
  11. Fight In The Exposition Ground (3:44)
  12. Launch! (5:23)
  13. Temptation (3:48)
  14. Fly In The Sky (1:07)
  15. Two Delusions (4:00)
  16. Collapse And Rescue (8:24)
  17. Ray's Theme (2:53)
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superultramegaa reply Replies: 13 || 2018-03-23 00:44:24
After watching the film, and hearing the music in context, I think this is one of the most perfect scores I have ever heard. People talk about Dunkirk being "inseperable from the film", this is a film that just plain wouldn't work without the music. The intensity of the battle music, the character themes/motifs, it's Danny Elfman's Spider-Man levels of perfection.

The most major thing I took away from the experience though is this: Why is Jablonsky not getting more animated films? This score is on the level of Shrek, Finding Nemo, Ice Age, and How to Train Your Dragon! Now, I know he's comfortable around action films and Bay productions, but if Steamboy is anything to go by, his talents are better suited to this genre. This score is too perfect to have been a mere fluke.

Hollywood (or his agent) needs to stop type-casting Jablonsky as a Zimmer/action-type and give him more directors and films that suit his talents. Or at least, don't force him to sound like Zimmer through temp tracks and the like. Once again, I love Transformers 1, 2, and 5. They're fun as hell and have some of Jablonsky's unique traits. But if I had a choice of 2 timelines, where I had to choose one timeline where Jablonsky somehow became a John Powell type, or one where he scored Transformers, I'd choose timeline 1 in a heartbeat.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-23 14:42:57
I don't think Jablonsky is going to be a new John Powell ;)

But this one of his most notable efforts, i will said that.


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-23 14:48:23
I don't think he means that, just that it would have been interesting if Jablonsky had gone more into animated movies like Powell did, rather than mostly Michael Bay. I think maybe we got a hint of what that could have been like with Your Highness a few years ago, a score I'll always defend, but yeah...the lack of follow-up to Steamboy is a great tragedy in Jablonsky's career.


superultramegaa2018-03-23 21:20:41
Edmund's right. It's really just sad that Jablonsky could have been one of the greatest composers ever, one with more notoriety and respect from the music community, but instead settled for being... a decent composer.

TF5 was a step in the right direction, D-War was a great monster movie score, Your Highness came close to Steamboy levels, and IDEA felt like Jablonsky's symphony in a lot of ways. But on the other end you have Ender's Game, Transformers 3 and 4, Battleship, Gears of War 2, Gears of War: Judgement, and a few others that range from ok, to flat out awful. Occasionally though you get some decent ones like Gears of War 3, and A Nightmare on Elm Street.

My point is, we get a composer overridden with bland projects, and musically inept directors, when he had the potential for being Oscar level.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-23 21:58:12
I will disagree with TF3, Ender's Game, Gears of War 2 and 3, there are good scores, altough i'm a massive fan of that guilty pleasure is Battleship ;D

And A Nightmare on Elm Street was cool.


mpolonest123 2018-03-23 22:07:55
Ender’s Game isn’t bad at all, there are some cool power anthems and orchestral moments in it. As for Battleship, while I find most of it generic, I genuinely do like the alien “MRI” sound design he incorporated.

And one of Jablonsky’s most underrated scores imo is Gangster Squad. If you want a fun Jablonsky score that strays away (mostly) from the Zimmer sound that’s it. Any score using Antz as a temp track is fine by me!


MrZimmerFan2018-03-23 22:23:00
Gangster Squad was Ok, but i prefer Ender's Game, actually the sound design in that i find it certain interesting.

In Battleship, yeah, it's nothing original, but for me, is a guilty pleasure, i love the percussion (i'm a big fan of the taiko sound)



superultramegaa2018-03-23 23:12:09
I'll try to explain myself more with the scores I wasn't a big fan of. I really like a lot of Gears of War 3. It has a lot of faster paced, melodic action cues, and the cues from Gears of War 2 are improved. Its main problem is it's not very memorable, which Jablonsky is usually able to produce.

Ender's Game I found to be a bit of a slog. There was a lot of ambient/sound design cues which I found incredibly dull. However, it's possible I was expecting too much, or maybe I was too harsh on it. I'll try to have another listen to that one.

Gangster Squad was one where I just looked at the comments to see what people thought about it, and the consensus was "it copied every recent Hollywood score", so I just skipped that one.

TF3 had a lot of good thematic material, and the finale's action music was a lot of fun, but it lacks the memorability and excitement of the first 2, or the subtlety of 5, making it fall in the middle for me. Plus the Inception sound was pretty annoying.

Gears of War 2 falls into mediocre for me. The main theme is solid, but the action is repetitive and doesn't have much variation. Plus it also wasn't very memorable. It's basically a worse version of Gears 3 to me.

Transformers 1 and 2 don't really count to me because those were more an RCP effort than a Jablonsky one. Just to clarify, I don't hate that Jablonsky went down this route. I first learned of his existence through the Transformers scores for god's sake. It's just that listening to Steamboy, it makes me sad there wasn't more of this side of Jablonsky. Oh, and honorable mention to TMNT: Out of the Shadows, that was a great superhero score!


Bayhem2018-03-25 14:09:41
So much Jablonsky talk and no one mentions PAIN & GAIN. Which, for my money, is easily one of his best - if not the best - scores. Shame that it's so underappreciated by some of his fans. It's unlike any previous Bay/Jablonsky scores. That cool late 80s/early 90s Miami vibe that runs throughout the whole score, it's just perfection. Steve himself said that he had complete freedom doing the score and it shows. When I introduce people to his music, Pain & Gain is usually the score I tend to use.

And I would like to say this: there is a reason why Steve works so much with Mike Bay. As demanding as Bay is with the scores for his movies (as he should be) when you think about it he's actually the only one who allows Steve to really experiment. I mean, Pain & Gain is a perfect example. The Transformers movies have a specific sound, but even with them Steve is allowed to experiment - for example TF3 is a completely different score from TF1. It's not like they had a gun to Steve's head and they were like: "Do ONLY the TF1 sound! Don't you dare do any experiments!". So in my opinion, the notion that Bay somehow holds Steve down and doesn't allow him to show his real talent is simply false.

Peter Berg is actually the director who wants Steve to create nothing but sound design scores. Thankfully, Bay is not like Berg.

By the way, superultramegaa. I agree with pretty much everything you said. However, I don't think it's right to think of the TF1 and TF2 scores as purely an MV/RC effort. Sure, Steve wasn't the only MV/RC composer working on them, but this is certainly not Pirates 1 situation. Steve is not Klaus Badelt. And more importantly, it's Steve himself who wrote all of the great themes from the first movie. The themes people know and love.

So I'd say that both TF1 and TF2 are very much Jablonsky scores. He had help, sure, like all other MV/RC composers who work on such gigantic productions, but still, the Jablosnky sound is pretty obvious. On the surface it may sound like a Zimmer sound, but for the hardcore Jablonsky fans (like you and me) there IS a difference between the Zimmer sound and the Jablonsky sound. Even in the most obvious MV/RC tracks Steve "inserts" some of his own stuff.


superultramegaa2018-03-25 15:16:23
Oh hey, welcome back Bayhem! That's true, I haven't listened to Pain & Gain yet. It's on my list along with retrying Ender's Game. And yeah, of course there's a lot of Jablonsky hallmarks in the those scores. "Autobots" sounds a lot like the horn and string part of Ray's Theme, "Optimus" has the heart-felt woodwind with strings similar to "London World Exposition", and some of the action has a similar pace with percussion rhythm as Steamboy. Plus a few horror tracks of course.

My point is, of course I don't think they suck for ripping off other Zimmer projects. Most of the ones he ripped off were ones he had heavy involvement in to begin with. It's more disappointment that he got so involved with Bay, who doesn't allow for more scores like Steamboy, Your Highness or even D-War. With more clever homages to scores of the genre Steve is scoring and instrument variety. Steve just needs more variety in his movie choices I think. He has talents above pure action and horror, and it would be great to hear more of his other talents.

However, I am extremely interested to hear his new scores. Apparently Game Over, Man! is getting a score release April 20, and Skyscraper is getting a July release. Hope these projects let him do something interesting with the music.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-25 15:21:09
And where is the official annucement for the release score of Game Over, Man! ?



superultramegaa2018-03-25 15:24:26
https://soundtracktracklist.com/release/game-over-man-soundt rack/


MrZimmerFan2018-03-25 15:31:28
Official, not a page when the releasing date are the same day as the movie release.

By the way, was this past Friday.


superultramegaa2018-03-25 15:36:39
It's the most official thing I've found, and it's not even close to the same release date as the film. It's almost a month after.

dark prince reply Replies: 5 || 2014-02-01 06:23:04
Amazing score by Steve Jablonsky, maybe his better score, with an inocent sound to define the protagonist, heroic and epic themes for the action scenes, this is a only score on the filmography of Jablonsky, the top defect of the composer is that he have talent, but sometimes look like he use it when he wants, like on this case and in other moments waste it, in scores like Gears of War: Judgement, Gangster Squad or Ender's Game


MacArthur2014-02-01 16:31:26
Ender's Game was great to.


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-01 17:51:15
This score is light-years beyond Ender's Game. You can't even compare the two.


Macejko2014-02-01 19:06:14
Actually, I think Ender's Game is far better than this.


MrZimmerFan2014-02-01 21:34:33
Ender's Game is a very entertaning score, but i think Steamboy is such of cool


genesis2016-06-09 05:49:20
The reason why this score is so good than any of his other scores is that the main theme/melody (Ray's Theme) is so good.

Its like John Williams score. I think the melody is up there with Superman and Star Wars.
The theme is "that" good.
I felt exactly the same with Mark Mancinas score for Twister.

Miles reply Replies: 2 || 2009-11-14 00:00:00
This an absolutely incredible score, arguably better than Transformers, even! So many memorable tunes and themes blended so well!

@Hybrid Soldier: Perhaps it's just me, but I haven't noticed any real "borrowing" by GZ other than the overarching Remote Control style. The most explicit I've heard is near the end of "Gunnar's Raid" on the Outlander CD, which is pretty much a carbon copy of Jablonsky's theme for The Island.


Edmund Meinerts2012-10-25 00:46:31
If you listen to Zanelli's unreleased cue "Escaping Cannibal Island" from Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest you'll hear about 30 seconds or so that are copied directly from "Fight in the Exposition Ground" from Steamboy. My jaw literally dropped when I heard that listening to the expanded DMC the first time.

...I just realized I replied to a post from 2009. *shrug*


Edmund Meinerts2012-10-25 00:49:28
This score needs way more love, by the way. As fun as Transformers is, I have to say that Steamboy is a more unique and dynamic work, one that manages to step out a lot further from Zimmer's shadow and showcase the true voice and style of Steve Jablonsky. The only other score where he got to stretch his wings like that is Your Highness...and it always makes me sad when he has to write a Zimmer copycat/sound design/headache-inducing thing like Battleship.

But check out Steamboy if you haven't yet. It's easily SJ's best :)

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-11-14 00:00:00
@ Miles,

Black Hawk down is in Outlander too!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-19 00:00:00
You know, GZ likes borrowing stuff from his pals... ;)

Deakins reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-19 00:00:00
Yes, but these guys work in the same "enterprise" and the exchange of ideas is their strenght (and their major default for certain people).

Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-18 00:00:00
After listening to some cues in Geoff's website... i was wondering. Did he wrote any cues for this? Its strange... no additional music on this one?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-12-21 00:00:00
It's wonderful! I love it!

N1Ce reply Replies: 0 || 2006-08-11 00:00:00
An awesome score, i have been listening to it for over a year and had never got bored of it!

Paul reply Replies: 0 || 2006-03-18 00:00:00
A Great Score. A 15 out of 10 :):):):) Hope That Steve Jablonsky More Music Like This Composes

Shinji reply Replies: 0 || 2005-04-18 00:00:00
Definately one of the best scores i've heard from these guys in the last few months, a score that perfectly matches the pace of the movie, for example the awesome Chase scene/track. It is melodic, most of the time very rythmic and fast paced music, plus a great main theme. Jablonsky did an awesome job, and i hope we will hear more of his music soon (The Island maybe?), because he sure has some huge amount of talent hidden somewhere inside. This score is a huge step out of Zimmer's shadow.

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