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The score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.<br><br>The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).<br><br>When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.<br><br>When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.<br><br>But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.@Edmund <br>Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmer’s Superman theme, something we haven’t heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it<br>======================================<br><br>Oh, absolutely! I'm sure we will soon find out that Balfe also scored Star Wars and Titanic. And Harry Potter. And Indiana Jones.Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.I certainly understand the criticisms leveled at Elfman's JL score, but I'm not at all convinced Junkie would have been a better option. I've never been too convinced by him anyway (Mad Max was a situation where his sound happened to be a good fit, but even then I think a better composer could have made much more out of the same ingredients). And since anything worthwhile in the previous two (and yeah, I'm aware I like MoS and BvS waaaaaaaay less than the average reader of this site) ended up being by Hans anyway, I really doubt Junkie flying solo would have been up to much. My guess is he would have pulled out stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place without adding much new material on his own, which would have satisfied the DC fans more than what Elfman did, sure, but would have been a lot less interesting as a score album. I mean, say what you want about the questionable thematic decisions Elfman made, the two gigantic full-length action cues are pretty solid in and of themselves. I'll take that over Junkie letting the drums pound for eleven minutes straight, any day of the week.
The studio is the music owner now.There you go. So we probably will never get to hear what Tom planned/did for this movie. I really believe that it would've been great compared to the generic score we got. <br>Only two tracks stood out to me and only one was an actual cue from the movie.Gabriel Yared leaked his Troy back in 2004 but I think he got in quite a lot of trouble for that. There's a reason he hasn't done too many high profile films since then, I think. A few rejecteds have slipped out over the years but it's pretty unheard of for the composer himself to be the one to leak it I think, that would be career suicide if they got caught. Usually they come out the same way complete scores do, some anonymous person working on the scoring team probably did it.and Zimmer criticized Elfman...back and forth, etc. So what? The movie is lame, the score is about as lame as Bat V Sup@JBSO99 you're right. It's so big and widely spread.<br><br>And you're right about me forgetting those score. I just picked these three because Elfman critized Zimmer
@Iamtommie  You forgot the theme by Elliot Goldenthal for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, for not to mention the theme from the 60's TV show and all the themes for all the different animated motion pictures such as The Dark Knight Returns, Mask of the Phantasm, or the videogames like the Arkham series.<br><br>Batman's musical legacy is very big so him saying there is only one theme and his the one he created is really disrespectful to a big amount of composers.Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. And that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes.I think what Elfman said is not true.<br>Batman has different themes for different movies because every Batman is different.<br><br>Michael Keaton as Batman: Elfman's Theme<br>Christian Bale as Batman: Hans' Theme<br>Ben Affleck as Batman: Hans & Junkie's Theme.<br>Of course much more but the most important.<br><br>Each one if dies Batman's have a different story and a different universe. I think that for each universe a new theme is the best thing you can do. With a different theme you can relate more to this Batman than a previous one.<br><br>By the way, I think TDK, MoS & WW are 3 of the top 10 themes by Zimmer. I think what Elfman did the WW theme is an abomination. He removed the key instrument in the theme because he thought it was childisch.<br><br>I think the Justce League score is way worse than previous DCEU or Batman movies. I hope that Lorne of Junkie will do future DCUE movies instead of Elfman.<br><br>(Seeing Justice League thursday. I am curious if it is really that bad as everyine says)GITS was unreleased, JXL's JL score was completely rejected. The real qustion is how many rejected scores have leaked in the history of modern film scoring?Ghost in a thing that doesn't have life but does
Which score would that be?Seeing as how Lorne Balfe “leaked” his own score, I wonder if Tom could easily do the same?Haha - honestly though, before I realized this I felt Jablonsky didn't really bind the score together that well with themes and motifs. This is a pretty cool connection and I'm glad he made it.Almost like this was a film score or something! ;)I don't suppose you have credits for this score, Hybrid?
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Hans ZimmerRupert Gregson-WilliamsHalli CautheryDavid Buckley
Composer : Main ThemeComposerAdditional MusicAdditional Music
Winter's Tale (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 77'27
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  1. Logos - Opening (6:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  2. Horse - Peter Chased (1:22)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  3. Light (1:08)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Tony Clarke
  4. The Box (1:10)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  5. Pearly's Office (0:37)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  6. Yahtzee - Raid (1:06)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  7. Willa (0:43)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  8. Stars (1:01)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  9. Greedy Horse (0:55)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  10. Break In (2:32)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  11. The Best Thing You've Ever Stolen (1:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  12. Kill The Waiter (1:11)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  13. 10 Songs (0:45)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, James Roberson
  14. Horse Chase (6:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  15. In The Forest (1:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  16. Princess Bed - Meet Lucifer (3:27)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  17. Lucifer Yells (0:51)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  18. I'd Life To Go Dancing (0:42)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  19. Masquerade Waltz (1:40)
    Aram Khatchatourian, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  20. Un Bal (1:11)
    Hector Berlioz, Halli Cauthery
  21. Love Making (4:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  22. Beverly Dies - Funeral (4:01)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  23. Showdown (3:46)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  24. Peter Remembers (7:42)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  25. Pearly's Office #2 (0:32)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  26. Microfiche (1:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  27. Little Willa (1:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
  28. The Night She Died (1:49)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  29. Tell The Boss (0:20)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, James Roberson
  30. You Will Have To Say The Words (0:49)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  31. Red Hair (2:44)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, David Buckley
  32. Flying (1:32)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  33. Final Confrontation (4:31)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams, Halli Cauthery
  34. Abbey To The Bed (2:57)
    Rupert Gregson-Williams
  35. Miracle (3:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Rupert Gregson-Williams
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HZFAn reply Replies: 0 || 2016-07-27 18:01:07
Hey Hybrid, what's with some be Complete Score Sites here:)

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 2 || 2016-01-18 22:59:21
Whoa, there's something weird going on here! Why are all the comments about Black Hawk Down? :p


Mike2016-01-19 15:09:29
Yeah, strange... The comments section carried over from a Black Hawk Down bootleg. :P Is this the same page reincarnated, Hybrid?


Hybrid Soldier2016-01-19 15:26:34
I have sooooo many useless pages on this site, yeah sometimes I recycle ! :P

Rob reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-03 12:23:53
i have just listened to an edit of this from a shiny place. i hate edits but this works perfectly. i didnt skip one track!

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 5 || 2014-01-01 03:09:42
*whistles* I'm impressed


Mike2014-01-01 03:16:54
I think this is fake... There's a reason it doesn't appear in a search for Black Hawk Down on this site... ;)


matthew2014-01-01 16:18:00
maybe this is fake but the real complete recording sessions with unused / alternate / unreleased ideas yust arrived before christmas. I'm surprised nobody talks about it because since 2001 after many bootleg versions and so-called 3cd recording sessions, this is the only and first real thing.


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-01 19:42:44
Yes and I'm not gonna add it, cause I'm lazy...


Sam2014-01-01 19:48:33
Yes, then just don't comment it, if you're so lazy. -.-


Poe2014-01-02 05:55:31
Hybrid Soldier, do the cues have real, not-fan-created names?

GerART reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-11 00:00:00
Hi! Please, I really want the theme of Soldiers Back On* the part of the final battle, anybody can say me where I could download this track, please!! ;) Thanks!

Gav reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-26 00:00:00
But theres two alternates of Hunger, where did one of them come from if the other is from a deleted scene?

Im aware its asking a lot but can anyone do a breakdown of each piece and how it was made, e.g.

01. OST track + Dooley Website track
02. OST track
03. Deleted Scene
04. Isolated music from DVD bonus, etc?

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-25 00:00:00
Demos are ripped from the DVD bonus feature that show's how Zimmer went about creating the music. Hunger (Alternative) is ripped from the deleted scene that show's the replaced cue with Josh's voice.

Interestingly enough, there seemed to be two seperate themes as there was suppose to be a rock version of the battle theme and a orchestral version of the battle theme. I'm guessing he merged and edited them for "Tribal War". I think however (if it's still up on youtube) that someone has gotten a hold of the orchestral version of the battle theme but cut as it merges up with 'Tribal War'.

Levente reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-24 00:00:00
"- I think there's a cue from movie Avalon, completely different style of music but one of the cues has a similar melody."

I can confrim that, altough it is only a few seconds but yeah someone used Kenji Kawai's masterpiece. I'm not sure but it is the 6th track from this album's first CD.

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-24 00:00:00
The several sources of cues are combined together in a random way. You have sometimes an OST track combined with a song combined with something else...

The sources :
- OST tracks
- 15 minutes from the DVD bonuses, edited here and there in various cues
- Some cues are songs (Ambush is a song by artist Badawi, and isn't called Ambush originally)
- 1 promo cue from Jim Dooley's website (Cavalry - not available anymore), there is an alternate version available at Trevor Morris website.
- 5 or 6 cues from Jeff Rona's website.
- I think there's a cue from movie Avalon, completely different style of music but one of the cues has a similar melody.
- I'm not sure but there were 3 tracks from BHD on an Heitor Pereira's promo CD, don't remember if they are used here...

Gav reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-24 00:00:00
Hey fellas what is the source for this edition? Is it the OST and DVD alone or are there extra sources used to make it (website tracks, etc)?

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2010-03-10 00:00:00
@ Ele

Yeah, alot of good track's are on the 3 CD version. One particular favorite is Night Battle - Cavalry. Since it uses 'Tribal War' and a continuation 'Cavalry' from this version.

This version has some edit's from the 3 CD version, though what I would take from this version is 'Soldier's Back On' and 'Hunger (Alterante Version)'. It's a real shame that 'Soldier's Back On' is in mono. If anyone has it in stereo, that could actually complete the main action theme's of Black Hawk Down.

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-10-20 00:00:00
@ Ele

Not currently.

Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2009-10-20 00:00:00
What is, then? Some of the cues here are mono, is there bootleg with those cues in stereo?

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-10-20 00:00:00
@ Ele

The 3 CD version is as close as you will get to the complete score, add some of the new music from this version to the 3 CD version and you will probably have the closest thing to a complete score.

Also, there is no bootleg that has some of the cues in stereo.

Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2009-10-20 00:00:00
@Ruthless Are there any really cool tracks in 3 CD version? I see its about 20 mins longer. Is that worth it?

Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-15 00:00:00
I heard this is best complete score for that movie. Is it true?

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-09 00:00:00
Although each bootleg of that score has different track names and I'm not exactly sure about the track you're mentionning... but I think that the instrument you're talking about is an electric cello.

Rick reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-08 00:00:00
Can anyone tell me what kind of instrument there using in the nummer `still` is that a violet
or something else ( the dark sound when it get busy )

julian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-06-13 00:00:00
amazing score. I could hear it every day

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-06-12 00:00:00
So I have had the chance to listen to this version, pretty interesting that there is a couple of new music in here. The sad part is, some of the new music are crap audio. Other parts where there is new music is actually from Jeff Rona's Reel examples

eliseo g....... reply Replies: 0 || 2009-01-26 00:00:00
esta buenisima la peli, la banda sonora perfecta, solo quisiera saver como la bajo este score, es buenisimo yo tengo todas sus bandas sonoras de hans zimmer, pero en normales, quisiera en esta version porfavor - (perdon no se escrivir mucho en ingles lo siento) - okisssssssssssssssssssssssssss.............

SSgt Ray Gibbs reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-01 00:00:00
Hey guys the movie and soundtrack are both amazing!!! i was just thinking about a certain song too thats not on the soundtrack but i thinks its on the one above #### ... thanks :)

daniel reply Replies: 0 || 2008-09-17 00:00:00
Faboulos movie...unbelivebil...

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-08-13 00:00:00
Sadly yet another bad quality one with mono tracks. Dunno why it is Hans' scores which suffer from bad boots... LOL

norway guy reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-07 00:00:00
LOL

i saw your guy talkin about the soundtrack: Soldiers Back On. i cant sat what i think about it, because i havent heard it.

its only the track list here .

L O L !!!!!!!!!! but thanks any way. i think those people working on this site have done a wery good job! i love your work on show us that it in fact si hans zimmer bootlegs, so we could contunue dreaming and hope find one of them, one day ;)
thanks again for all your work on this, it have helped me A LOT !!!!!!!!!!!

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2007-08-23 00:00:00
enormous

Falconet reply Replies: 0 || 2007-07-25 00:00:00
Hi,the track "Soldiers Back On" sound not good,what a bad! it seems to be a nice one!

Joseph reply Replies: 0 || 2007-03-18 00:00:00
black hoek down the past flim

yvan (france) reply Replies: 0 || 2007-02-28 00:00:00
la chute du faucon noir est un véritable film ŕ suspense

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