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Very little is known officially here. Hybrid gave a couple credits a while back and he said...
Nick Glennie-Smith did "Scar's Dinner" and "Our Little Secret" Mark Mancina did "The Trap" and "Nala Attacks"
What I say next is all just personal speculation, cause I can't remember where I heard this, but I believe Mark Mancina also did "Nala and Simba," as well as "Mufasa's Ghost," and I think Jay Rifkin did "As Good as Dead - Part 2." Like I said, take that with a grain of salt, but I got that info somewhere, and it's the credits I have listed on iTunes. :P All the cues that have Zimmer's demos on the Legacy Collection, like "Sunrise at Pride Rock," "Father's Footsteps," "Stampede," "Mufasa's Death," "Homeward Bound," and "King of Pride Rock" are presumably Zimmer alone.
Now is Hybrid able to confirm/deny any of my lame guesswork? :P
ggctuk
2015-08-24 09:07:13
The fact that those are the only demos on the set doesn't mean very much when it comes to guessing the composers. Wasn't the fact that those demos were the only ones included to do with that they never found a clean source for them? And that these were the best of what they found, the others were not suitable for inclusion?
Just a quick question, is there anything in the 2005 version of this bootleg that isn't also in the more recent bootleg?
Zimson
2014-06-29 01:23:11
It's better to buy the Legacy Collection since everything is remastered. Btw, it's not a bootleg.
ggctuk
2014-06-30 08:20:18
Clean endings for both "Hyenas In The Pride Land","Nala, Is IT Really You?" and "This Is My Home", plus this specific set has a true alternate for "Mufasa Dies". Aside from that, no, the Legacy set is superior in every way.
Kleistropaia
2014-06-30 12:25:33
I'm sorry, I was referring to the first, low-quality leak of the complete score that surfaced in 2005 vs. the s*********s leak that was published on ... . Is the former worth hunting down because it might have material that isn't in the s*********s leak? Thanks!
ggctuk
2014-06-30 20:19:41
If you're going by the newer leaks versus the older leak, then there's no new material. You-Know-Who did not share the alternate Mufasa's Dead, for whatever reasons.
yigend
2014-06-30 21:00:23
thats weird. why would anyone share everything except for that particular alternate? and if it really exists, why isnt it on the legacy edition? how do people even know it exists for real?
ggctuk
2014-06-30 21:44:28
I've heard it and can vouch that it is indeed real, it just never leaked to the public. As for why it did not appear on the Legacy set: probably the same reason that "What Am I Going To Do? - Sunrise At Pride Rock" didn't appear in the same arrangement on the Legacy collection: it was unused, concept material and no decent master containing it exists any more. As for why You-Know-Who not sharing it, there's one of two possibilities: his source did not give it to him, or more likely, he held it back. He has form for holding back certain pieces.
yigend
2014-06-30 22:38:01
thats interesting. on what occasion did you hear it?
ggctuk
2014-06-30 23:24:36
About a year and a half ago, not long after the leak. It even had sections that sounded like the demo version of the cue. It was definitely not 'final'. It replaces material at roughly between the 0:35 and 1:10 mark with a pan pipe rendition of Mufasa's theme.
wolpertinger
2014-06-30 23:56:00
Are you sure that someone didn't fool you with Ave Verum Corpus? ;P
ggctuk
2014-07-01 08:00:00
Nope, it is definitely real. Hybrid can confirm that.
yigend
2014-07-01 11:11:21
how could you listen to it but not have it? was it a self destructing tape a la mission impossible? just curious
ggctuk
2014-07-01 11:24:13
I don't remember saying whether I had it or not, just that I had heard it.
yigend
2014-07-01 12:12:38
so you have it but not from youknowwho?
Oleysia
2014-07-09 15:44:58
some dude over at for fuck's sake shared the mufasa's dead alternate, can anyone confirm this is genuine?
ggctuk
2014-07-09 18:19:04
It's geniune.
Oleysia
2014-07-09 23:19:58
are you sure? its supposedly some mashup version created by the guy himself so I am wary
ggctuk
2014-07-10 22:45:41
It is most certainly genuine.
maxime77
2015-01-21 20:44:49
"a pan pipe rendition of Mufasa's theme" Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYET64g-aFQ
Is it real?
gistech
2015-01-22 08:05:51
Yes, it's real.
maxime77
2015-01-26 17:27:27
Where can we find this alternate, I mean is there a bootleg or something where this "alternate" is included,
CapS
2015-01-30 21:37:59
Y'know, it's funny how many continued to question its existence when it actually played near the end of that Pride of The Lion King documentary(featured way back in that 2011 blu-ray re-release). This unused piece was hidden under people's noses for quite some time and nobody caught it, the sneaky thing!
knatfucker
2015-02-21 01:30:16
what the shit are you talking about?
Turdmaster3000
2015-02-21 05:53:24
The alternate Mufasa's Death cue with the pan pipe rendition of Mufasa's theme was featured near the end of a retrospective featurette in The Lion King's blu-ray release a few years back, hence the humorous observation of it hiding in plain sight all that time despite people being doubtful of its existence.
a person have one information of the hans zimmer to score?
Edmund Meinerts
2014-04-28 01:35:55
You sound like Jaqen H'ghar from Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire. :p
poe98
2014-04-28 02:04:15
what could mean you?
Edmund Meinerts
2014-04-28 03:16:26
This dude: www. youtube.com/ watch?v=osAiyjzYnAY
Jerry Goldsmith
2014-04-28 09:27:29
Sigh... can't we just let this topic rest now? Why do we have to dig its corpse up and parade it every five minutes?
poe98
2014-04-28 22:04:38
a person not understand what the meaning be of this jerry?
Jerry Goldsmith
2014-04-28 23:28:52
It means this: Nothing will come of posting here.
poe98
2014-04-29 01:31:16
if nothing comes then why page?
ggctuk
2014-04-29 10:32:21
I think you're asking why POST here?
That is what you need to ask yourself.
poe98
2014-04-29 14:24:56
no why have page if no cause any man know?
Edmund Meinerts
2014-04-29 14:40:11
Oh would you give up already.
RealFfingMusic
2014-04-29 16:09:00
Poe, why post when no one can understand you?
Once again, it has been 20 years. There will NEVER be an official complete score. Whether anyone posts here or not.
There are hundreds of high-quality bootlegs, they cover almost the whole film. If anybody loves this score so-oo-o much, shut up and listen to those.
This page exists because it's a Hans Zimmer score.
Did I miss anything?
poe98
2014-04-29 22:17:56
not to bother was mean I sorry
ggctuk
2014-05-06 23:16:09
This is allegedly going to be the tracklist:
Disc One 1) ‘Circle of Life/Nants’ Ingonyama’ Performed by Carmen Twillie, African Vocals Performed by Lebo M 2) ‘Didn’t Your Mother Tell You Not to Play With Your Food’ Score 3) ‘We Are All Connected’ Score 4) ‘Hyenas in the Pride Land’ Score 5) ‘I Just Can’t Wait to Be King’ Performed by Jason Weaver with Rowan Atkinson and Laura Williams 6) ‘Elephant Graveyard’ Score 7) ‘I Was Just Trying to Be Brave’ Score 8) ‘Be Prepared’ Performed by Jeremy Irons with Whoopi Goldberg, Cheech Marin and Jim Cummings 9) ‘Simba, It’s to Die For’ Score 10) ‘Stampede’ Score 11) ‘Mufasa Dies’ Score 12) If You Ever Come Back We’ll Kill You’ Score 13) ‘Bowling for Buzzards’ Score 14) ‘Hakuna Matata’ Performed by Nathan Lane, Ernie Sabella with Jason Weaver and Joseph Williams 15) ‘We Gotta Bone to Pick With You’ Score 16) ‘Kings of the Past’ Score 17) ‘Nala, Is It Really You?’ Score 18) ‘Can You Feel the Love Tonight’ Performed by Joseph Williams and Sally Dworsky with Nathan Lane, Ernie Sabella and Kristle Edwards 19) ‘Remember Who You Are’ Score 20) ‘This Is My Home’ Score 21) ‘The Rightful King’ Score
Disc Two 1) ‘The Morning Report’ Performed by James Earl Jones, Jeff Bennett and Evan Saucedo 2) ‘Warthog Rhapsody’ Performed by Nathan Lane and Ernie Sabella 3) ‘We Are All Connected ‘Score Demo 4) ‘I Was Just Trying to Be Brave’ Score Demo 5) ‘Stampede’ Score Demo 6) ‘Mufasa Dies’ Score Demo 7) ‘This Is My Home’ Score Demo 8) ‘The Rightful King’ Score Demo 9) ‘Circle of Life’ Instrumental Demo 10) ‘Circle of Life’ Performed by Elton John 11) ‘I Just Can’t Wait to Be King’ Performed by Elton John 12) ‘Can You Feel the Love Tonight’ (End Title) Performed by Elton John
So, yes, we appear to be getting a bona-fide complete score release. And in time for the 20th anniversary too.
Mike
2014-05-06 23:23:23
Wow!
ggctuk
2014-05-06 23:25:52
You know, in my excitement, I replied to the wrong thing lol. I'm excited for the whole Disney Legacy line. Even though I own Fantasia - which is complete - I'll be getting that one and Toy Story too.
ggctuk
2014-05-06 23:27:36
Though when I get mine I'll be retitling the tracks because I'm not keen on the new names.
Anyway, if anybody's interested, I know this isn't strictly Zimmer, but this is the list of announced titles: The Lion King 20th – June 24, 2014 Mary Poppins 50th – August 26, 2014 Sleeping Beauty 55th – October 7, 2014 The Little Mermaid 25th – November 17, 2014 Fantasia 75th – January 3, 2015 Pinocchio 75th – February 3, 2015 Toy Story 20th – March 17, 2015 Disneyland 60th – April 7, 2015 Lady and the Tramp 60th – May 12, 2015 Pocahontas 20th – June 23, 2015 Aristocats 45th – August 14, 2015 Cinderella 65th – August 14, 2015
Hahahahah you guys are so pathetic, you kept telling poor poe that "nothing will come of posting here" and that neither Disney nor Hans Zimmer would give a fuck about what people post here and A WEEK LATER they make this announcement. That shows how much you know: zip. Best, henry.
henry
2014-05-07 21:41:55
"And about the Complete Score, its been 20 years guys, the bootleg's all you're ever getting. Move On." -- RealfFingMusic
"Once again, it has been 20 years. There will NEVER be an official complete score." -- RealfFingMusic
HAHAHA
Edmund Meinerts
2014-05-07 22:11:55
It is a little ironic, true, but I don't see how "nothing will come of posting here" was incorrect. Somehow, I HIGHLY doubt that this decision happened because someone looked at the comments on this page and was like "you know, I never knew that this music was in such high demand! Let's release it!"
I'm as happy as anyone else that this is being released, if only because it'll finally put an end to this goddamn circus.
John Goldsmith
2014-05-07 22:53:36
@poe98: I had nothing to do with this. I'm just a poster, like you. Unless you're saying thank you for pointing this out.
@henry: For a guy that doesn't give a fuck... let's put that aside. While it was clearly unture that "the bootleg is all we'll ever get" in hindsight, and let's face it, this is hindsight, and it's a wonderful thing, the notion that posting here has resulted in this announcement is, quite frankly, ridiculous. The only reason The Lion King is being released is because it's part of a 15-set collection, and all 15 are entries determined to be both A: major anniversaries, and B: the best-selling Disney properties. It's probably why certain titles, such as Aladdin, which in its own way is in very high demand, did not make the cut. Nobody could have predicted that this would be officially announced, even if you believed they'd be doing SOMETHING to celebrate the film's 20th anniversary.
henry
2014-05-08 00:31:23
Of course it had nothing to do with what was posted here, but clearly it was stupid and uninformed to tell poe that there would never be an official complete release and basically telling him to stfu and fuck off for expressing his hopes here.
Edmund Meinerts
2014-05-08 00:57:03
We didn't have a problem with him expressing his hopes...it's just that he did it every five seconds or so. He was basically preaching to the choir. Harmless, sure, but annoying.
The release came totally out of left field. I don't think ANYONE here saw it coming (except maybe Hybrid, and he didn't tell).
RealFfingMusic
2014-05-08 04:13:43
If this is truly a complete one, it will be a lot longer than the film itself.
Let's hope it is!
RealFfingMusic
2014-05-08 04:22:56
@henry, I was just putting down the rookies. This had to happen someday.
Of course, I did not anticipate this announcement when I said "The Bootleg...", so, joke's on me.
Their first release is a 2-disc TLK set. They're not being clear on what this means, so it could mean they're expanding the score (which would explain the Legacy label) or whether it's a straight-up reissue. It's one to watch anyway. It's out in June.
Why did Hans Zimmer object to the score being released when the film came out? And why does he still object, as shown by the fact it is STILL NOT RELEASED! I mean it is his work so shouldn't he be proud of it and want the world to enjoy the whole thing?
Lambegue
2014-03-31 13:27:02
Complete scores are NEARLY NEVER released. That's a fact, all the time. There are some exceptions. Maybe there will be with this one. But for the time being, no one knows, so why do you insist ? Yes, it's a very good score and a lot of people (not only on this site) would be happy to see a complete release of it, but it's no use crying on it forever. Wait and see. And really, there is nothing here that deserves such a scandal, it's just a perfectly normal situation...
ggctuk
2014-03-31 23:37:01
He doesn't object. He just has no real say in it. The point is, the bottom line is what matters to the big labels.
Lambegue is not entirely accurate when he says that complete scores are nearly never released. A lot of scores are getting such treatment right now: just look at LaLaLand Records or Intrada.
Nothing will happen by your posting here. Neither Hans Zimmer nor the record labels read this site anyway.
Lambegue
2014-04-01 21:05:07
Yes, I know for Intrada or LaLaLand, but the score they release really completly are still a minority - and nearly all of them had a first, far less complete edition before.
ggctuk
2014-04-01 21:20:35
That is true, I was responding to your comment that complete scores are "NEARLY NEVER" released, which is not true of itself. I think you probably mean "initially nearly never released in complete format" which would be true.
Lambegue
2014-04-01 21:40:54
yes, I totally admit my bad formulation :)
poe98
2014-04-02 14:44:19
is the hans zimmer will release the king of the score in future what you say?
ggctuk
2014-04-02 20:16:25
I'm assuming what you mean there is "Does this mean Hans Zimmer will release the complete score in the future?"
In that case, the answer is no.
poe98
2014-04-03 10:14:41
what you know?
ggctuk
2014-04-03 10:42:03
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Hans Zimmer himself has control over NOTHING when it comes to his scores. It's up to the record labels if they wish to pursue a complete score release of a title. It's just common sense. The most Hans Zimmer will be involved in is if they issue signed copies.
Lambegue
2014-04-04 00:05:17
Poe : Why do you keep asking questions here if you are not happy with the answer given to you ?
henry
2014-04-05 23:14:47
what the fuck just let him ask his questions
ggctuk
2014-04-05 23:23:46
What's the point in asking the same question over and over if the answer is going to be the exact same every single time?
Areozz
2014-04-06 03:30:31
henry, did you forget to take your meds again?
I'm going to go out on a limb to say that this poe98 does not use English as his first language and therefor probably uses a translator to get his messages across. And then he has to use the translator again to understand what we're telling him. Maybe those translations aren't coming across quite right.
Lambegue
2014-04-06 11:49:26
Then maybe Poe can try to post a message in his own language, there are chances that somebody here speak it correctly.
henry
2014-04-06 13:57:06
well areozz at least I don't post under other people's names and put words into their mouths. maybe you're the one who forgot to take their meds. to be completely honest, I don't give a fuck
Areozz
2014-04-06 14:07:03
...Don't know what you're talking about henry, but I enjoy fueling you. I also like how you've made your catchphrase "I don't give a fuck". You could probably save some time if you just posted IDGAF every single time you felt it necessary to throw in your (truly priceless) two cents--seconds, henry! Literally seconds shaved off of your time which you could be using for much more valuable things!
And I'll have you know that I make sure I take my medication every day because contrary to some beliefs, turning into a werewolf at least once a month isn't all that it's made up to be.
Edmund Meinerts
2014-04-06 16:09:16
The number of fucks not given by Henry must be over 9000 by now.
Hybrid Soldier
2014-04-06 17:52:14
If I had the possibility to block the comment section of that forsaken page, I totally would...
Can't you just STOP ? Like... EVERYONE ?
Even ggctuk constantly feeding this like he's waiting for something... Like, you know, something devine would suddenly happen with this score or something...
It's tiring...
henry
2014-04-06 20:05:36
why do you even give a fuck? If I ran this site I wouldn't
RealFfingMusic
2014-04-07 07:30:42
henry has calluses on his fingers from saying IDGAF.
And about the Complete Score, its been 20 years guys, the bootleg's all you're ever getting. Move On.
ggctuk
2014-04-07 10:44:49
Well, excuse me for trying to answer legitimate questions.
RealFfingMusic
2014-04-07 13:10:25
Most of the things you said in this thread were already discussed -- a lot of times before -- as you pointed out yourself.
This page is REALLY boring now.
ggctuk
2014-04-07 21:34:29
Precisely.
IIRC, the very last new thread I had opened, I thought I added something of value with regards to information. Okay, I've delved into speculation myself, but I was under the impression this was a public board and that on such places speculation was allowed. The last thing I posted I thought was new information as it concerned some stuff we haven't even heard of before. And like I'm going to dive through 22+ pages of posts just to see if somebody has beaten me to it!
Ever since then, all I've been doing is answering the same question over and over again: when is this going to come out? When will (the) Hans Zimmer release it? All I'm trying to do is hammer home the point that I've made quite a few times since my last post: Hans Zimmer has absolutely NOTHING to do with complete score releases as this is up to the labels - in this case, Wonderland Records - and at the moment they have shown absolutely no interest in releasing anything - ANYTHING - to do with ANY of the Disney Animated Classics. To put it into harsher words, Disney has effectively disowned their movies from a certain point in time. I will not say we will never see a complete release of this score: I've been proven wrong on at least two counts of scores I thought would never see the light of day already, but I will say this: no amount of posts here will actually get the labels to release ANYTHING, because the labels do not read this board, and the labels will always release what they know will be bought. Scores like Star Trek, The Matrix, Star Wars, those all sell. Yes, I've said this: we've gone over this already. I'm actually getting tired of having to repeat this EXACT SAME explanation to people.
If this is... erm, what was the quote? Oh, yeah, "feeding this like he's waiting for something... Like, you know, something devine would suddenly happen with this score or something...", guilty, m'lud, but the way I'm seeing it, all I've done is tell it like it is. No disrespect, Hybrid, but you have me all wrong.
I might mention that out of my top three scores, Lion King doesn't place: that honour goes to two Star Trek scores and a Japanese anime. Hans Zimmer, in all honesty, isn't even on my top 3 composers list (John Williams, and Michael Giacchino and Jerry Goldmsith are joint second, if you must know). I'd be much more vocal about those scores if they had slots on this site, but they don't, so this is what it is.
ggctuk
2014-04-07 21:35:40
One last thing I forgot: henry's clearly a troll. Don't feed the troll.
That is all.
henry
2014-04-07 22:03:10
Michael Giacchino, LMAO
Hans Zimmer
2014-04-08 20:54:48
You guys are sad......
Joshua Chacon
2014-04-08 23:05:22
Mr. Zimmer do you have any plans to release the full Lion King score in the near future or at all? Thanks!
Jerry Goldsmith
2014-04-08 23:37:58
I'm afraid to say this, but that isn't the real Hans Zimmer.
LoneRider
2014-04-09 00:49:39
WHY for GOD'S SAKE do you keep calling him THE Hans Zimmer???
John Goldsmith
2014-04-09 10:34:37
Clearly he's not a native English-speaker, he's probably translating from his language using Google Translate, and it spits it out as "the hans zimmer".
Joshua Chacon
2014-04-10 02:22:40
Is there someone to whom we can donate money in order to hasten the full release of the score? Why are lesser scores graced with a complete release but not this one? Is there any way we can reach Hans Zimmer and persuade him to release it?
MuntaJoe
2014-04-10 02:31:56
As has been said before, Hans Zimmer has no control over the score. You can donate to me if that makes you feel better, but things won't change.
It should be released if a lot of people want it so badly? Who knows how long it would in the Disney Vault. How did people get the music if it wasn't fully release by Disney?
ggctuk
2014-03-27 10:18:35
You know you can reply to a comment, right? That makes it easier to keep track of comments made in reply to other comments.
To answer your question, there's the very slim chance Intrada might take it on, if in their partnership with Disney, they are able to do the animated Disney Classics scores. To answer your other question, the reason it's not fully released is bcause back in the 1990s film music was a more niche genre, it's only within the last few years that it's gotten more popular and more widespread attention.
When is the Hans Zimmer will release the Lion King score?
RealFfingMusic
2014-02-24 05:51:40
"When is the Hans..."? Honestly!!!
MistakenIdentity
2014-03-01 21:24:02
I think that's meant for one of The Batman scores... Either that or they've discovered a new species and named it after him...
poe98
2014-03-09 02:27:32
I am sorry the English not is my language of first. When is the Hans Zimmer will release The King of the score?
Lambegue
2014-03-09 15:58:44
Interesting formulation.
poe98
2014-03-09 17:06:16
Know you of person with information of when the Hans Zimmer will release The Lion King score?
Lambegue
2014-03-09 18:01:56
He won't. Or at least it is not planned yet.
MistakenIdentity
2014-03-11 21:58:08
Hans Zimmer will not release this himself. It'll be one of the labels, and given their relationship with Disney, it's likely to be Intrada, if it is done.
poe98
2014-03-13 14:00:13
A person knows where the Hans zimmer lives?
trent easton navarro
2014-03-13 14:19:42
That's kinda a creepy question! You wanna stalk the Hans Zimmer or something?
Lambegue
2014-03-13 18:05:15
Well at least Hans Zimmer could have some fun being called "The Hans".
There are a few tracks missing here as well. After "This Land" - Morning Report (Special Edition only) Before "Be Prepared" - Hyenas After "Mufasa'a Death" - A New Era Before "King of Pride Rock" - A Diversion
ggctuk
2014-02-14 18:47:34
The Morning Report is not part of the original score. "Hyenas" was "Scar's Dinner" put in the wrong place. "A New Era" is "As Good As Dead Part 1" "A Diversion" is officially titled "Hawaiian War Chant" and has not leaked in any form but can be gotten from the DVD clean anyway. It's not even slated.
Perhaps it is time to start a new thread, but the following is true. Bear in mind I do not know the exact details but I do know for sure this much:
Most of the cues had their names added or revised later. In fact, only five cues actually had titles. Two versions of "Circle of Life". Perhaps the FYC wasn't a lie after all. "Scar's Dinner" has an alternate. This is heard only in the film. "What Am I Going To Do? - Sunrise At Pride Rock" (Apparently genuinely titled "This Land") has an insert that is heard only in the film. Two completely unused cues were slated in, one before "Be Prepared" and one after "Rafiki". It's possible that a piece mentioned being on some versions of the FYC, "Shadowland", could be one of those pieces. There are two versions of "Be Prepared" as well as an unused song called "Thanks To Me". "Stampede" has an alternate. "Mufasa's Death" has an alternate that is listed here. It appears that both cues were originally titled as "Stampede Part 2". "Warthog Rhapsody" is actually slated as an alternate to "Hakuna Matata". "Be Prepared Reprise" is slated as an alternate to "Scar & Zazu - What Did You Say?" "Homeward Bound" has an insert. "Hawaiian War Chant" is not slated as being between "Homeward Bound" and "Simba And Nala Move In".
Ehlert
2014-01-31 02:08:51
We've been through all of this before, really nothing new here. What is it that you're trying to achieve? And where do you get your info?
Edmund Meinerts
2014-01-31 12:35:33
Never mind this guy. He only ever posts on the Lion King page and seems to be slightly obsessed. :b
ggctuk
2014-01-31 18:27:24
Actually, if there were pages for Star Trek Into Darkness I'd be posting there instead.
My info comes from the sheet music. No, I don't have the sheets, but I have seen them.
But if nobody wants to know as much about the score as possible, in future when I come across something like that, I'll keep my mouth shut and everybody else in the dark. Okay?
Mike
2014-01-31 18:39:31
For what it's worth, ggctuk, people like me always appreciate this stuff. ;)
Edmund Meinerts
2014-01-31 19:19:55
I didn't mean any offense, ggctuk. I just think it's kind of random and odd that you ONLY post here on the Lion King page. I do appreciate stuff like this as well. So I'm sorry. :)
Neo
2014-01-31 19:51:12
Hybrid, can't you bring "Mufasa's Death (Alternate)" in the media player instead of "Sunrise at Pride Rock"?
ggctuk
2014-01-31 20:07:08
Ah, it's okay, I wasn't really aiming it at you, Edmund.
I do love the Lion King score, in fact, I think it's the one of the best Zimmer scores of the 90s, although I do like the Dark Knight scores as well and I like bits of both Thin Red Line and The Rock too. I just have nothing to add to those discussions, and I came into a bit of luck with this score with regards to info which I thought I'd share rather than keep to myself.
Truth be told, it was to be my parting gift anyways, as other scores have drawn my attention recently, the aforementioned STID being one of them.
ggctuk
2014-01-31 20:08:39
Ah, I didn't see Neo's reply.
I concur. I know what's in that piece, but it'd be a shame if other people didn't because of you-know-who's stinginess (can't say the name because in spite of the fact his posting spree is now over, his name seems to still get censored, but you'll know who I'm on about).
Hybrid Soldier
2014-01-31 23:04:47
Neo, nope... Plain & simple !
Ramon Leszt
2014-02-02 02:58:59
ggctuk, you speak in riddles. Whose name gets censored and where and why?
ggctuk
2014-02-03 21:32:08
The name is of a prolific score poster on a certain part of the internet where scores are basically freely availble to download. And the reason his name is censored, or has been in the past, is because this site doesn't exactly condone piracy, so they will remove the name. Check below the post (quick-find the name Potoscores66, who mentioned the name last) and you'll see what I mean.
prowler
2014-02-06 23:36:16
ggctuk please reveal all you know about this score, I'm very interested.
ggctuk
2014-02-07 20:40:48
This IS all I know. The well, for the moment, is empty, unless somebody can strike up a dialogue with Hans Zimmer, which outside of his reddit sessions is unlikely as he is a busy man.
prowler
2014-02-10 00:19:11
can you please ask him during his next reddit session to reveal more info? do you know when his next session is due?
ggctuk
2014-02-10 21:09:18
I don't and I'm usually asleep when he does them, because the last time he did one I think he was in the USA.
Just out of curiosity, if Intrada were to release a complete score, do you think it'd be something like this:
CD 1 (Main body, songs would be film versions):
01 Circle Of Life 02 Scar's Dinner 03 What Am I Going To Do/Sunrise At Pride Rock 04 Hyenas In The Pride Lands 05 I Just Can't Wait To Be King 06 Elephant Graveyard 07 Father's Footsteps 08 Be Prepared 09 The Trap 10 Stampede 11 Mufasa's Dead 12 As Good As Dead 13 Hakuna Matata 14 Scar, Zazu/What Did You Say? 15 Under The Stars 16 Nala Attacks 17 Can You Feel The Love Tonight 18 Nala and Simba/Mufasa Ghost 19 Homeward Bound 20 Simba And Nala Move In/Finale/End Title 21 Can You Feel The Love Tonigh (End Title)
CD 2 (Just guessing here, some alternates are in the film though): 01 Circle Of Life (Alternate) 02 Scar's Dinner (Alternate) 03 Sunrise At Pride Rock (Alternate) 04 Hyenas In The Pride Lands (Film Version) 05 Be Prepared (Instrumental Version) 06 Stampede (Alternate) 07 Mufasa's Dead (Alternate) 08 Warthog Rhapsody (Early Concept) 09 Be Prepared Reprise (Early Concept) 10 Can You Feel The Love Tonight (Early Concept) 11 Nala And Simba/Mufasa Ghost (Alternate) 12 Simba And Nala Move In/Finale/End Title (Alternate)
Perhaps with the 1994 album or Rhythm of the Pride Lands as a bonus CD 3? What do you guys think?
Areozz
2013-12-24 23:08:03
No. It would be like whatever they wanted it to be, which is most likely 'non-existent'.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-24 23:34:28
No way cause would like to release all the theme suites & rejected stuff he wrote ! :)
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-24 23:50:00
HZ I meant of course... :P
ggctuk
2013-12-25 19:01:07
So, what you're saying is we'd be looking at something more like a 3-4 CD set if Intrada were to do it and do it right? Interesting.
schnullert
2014-01-02 22:35:06
This is absurd, most absurd. There will be no such release. What's with the clueless speculation?
ggctuk
2014-01-04 18:29:02
Once upon a time they said the exact same thing about Star Trek scores, about the Matrix scores, about quite a few other Zimmer scores.
2014, and 10 Star Trek scores have been released, the first of the two Matrix scores is done and the second is most likely to come this year and there have been a few Zimmers done through Intrada.
Never say never unless you don't want it to happen.
schnullert
2014-01-10 11:29:27
I am not going to grace this ludicrous response with a counterpoint any more than I already have. You appear to have a proclivity for reiterating your wild speculations whenever you're given the chance. I am going to put a stop to this now.
Edmund Meinerts
2014-01-10 14:15:10
Might want to spit out the thesaurus you seem to have swallowed, Schnullert. You'll choke.
Mike
2014-01-10 15:30:09
lol, Edmund xD
ggctuk
2014-01-11 22:36:06
I don't remember there being a rule about speculation on this site. This is sort of like a forum, where we are free to speak our minds about the chosen topic.
Funnily enough, it's my 'speculation' that sorted a lot of the mess out about this score before the sessions even leaked. Unless and until the rules of this site change, I am free to make speculation, wild or not.
I might mention that some of this list is not speculation either: There are alternates for Circle of Life, Scar's Dinner (as heard in the film), Sunrise at Pride Rock (as heard in the film), Be Prepared, Stampede and Mufasa's Dead. Warthog Rhapsody is slated as the alternate 6m13, Be Prepared Reprise is the alternate 6m14 and Homeward Bound has an insert. Oh, and did I mention that there's even two cues recorded that haven't ever been heard outside their recordings? And if you know how scoring works, you'll also know that each cue is taken several times to get a 'perfect' take.
Unless you have some inside track that I don't know about, schnullert, that has told you that this score will never, ever get an expanded release?
I don't necessarily say this as a negative criticism, because I do like the score, but is it just me or does this score use a lot of the same cues over and over again...?
Frisbee
2013-11-22 16:59:25
It makes extensive use of the primary theme indeed. And it always amazes how the score as a whole fails to becomes a tedious listening experience despite this repetitiveness. For me at least.
TNT
2013-11-22 17:05:41
Circle of Life Elton John,Tim Rice,Carmen Twillie Arranger.Hans Zimmer Scar Dinner Nick Glennie-Smith . Hans Zimmer What Am I Going To Do? - Sunrise At Pride Rock Hans Zimmer Hyenas In The Prideland - Our Little Secret Nick Glennie-Smith . Hans Zimmer . Lebo M I Just Can't Wait To Be King Elton John, Tim Rice, Arranger.Mark Mancina Elephant Graveyard Hans Zimmer . Nick Glennie-Smith Father's Footsteps Hans Zimmer Be Prepared Elton John,Tim Rice, Arranger.Hans Zimmer The Trap Nick Glennie-Smith Stampede Hans Zimmer Mufasa's Death Hans Zimmer As Good As Dead (Part 1) Hans Zimmer As Good As Dead (Part 2) Hans Zimmer Hakuna Matata Elton John, Tim Rice, Arranger.Mark Mancina Scar & Zazu - What Did You Say? Nick Glennie-Smith Under The Stars - Rafiki Hans Zimmer . Lebo M Nala Attacks Nick Glennie-Smith . Hans Zimmer . Lebo M Can You Feel The Love Tonight Elton John, Tim Rice Arranger.Unknown Nala & Simba Hans Zimmer . Lebo M . (Mark Mancina > I think) Mufasa's Ghost Hans Zimmer . Lebo M Homeward Bound Lebo M . Hans Zimmer Simba & Nala Move In - King Of The Priderock Hans Zimmer . Nick Glennie-Smith . Lebo M
Mortifer V.
2013-11-22 20:07:32
yeah. it's exactly like Frisbee said.
Sovereign
2013-11-23 03:53:10
Agreed. And even the repeated themes go through plenty of variations and orchestration in the score. Brilliantly done, I think.
ggctuk
2013-11-23 18:18:09
I concur with Frisbee. I might add it's nice to see somebody who seems to know who did what with regards to composing the cues.
SanAntonioSpurs
2013-12-06 21:35:17
TNT, list true?
ggctuk
2013-12-09 21:08:50
Looks like guesses to me, but they seem to be close enough to the mark.
Does the complete score soundtracks belong to the company?
Mike
2013-11-24 20:26:43
If by "the company" you mean Disney, then I imagine yes.
Lambegue
2013-11-26 23:01:28
I'd be quite interested to know who owns a score, is it the company which produced it, or the composer ? Or both ?
ggctuk
2013-11-27 21:01:03
Scores are owned by the company they're produced under. This was produced under Wonderland Music Company, which is another name for Walt Disney Records, so they own the music. A composer rarely if ever owns the right to a composition done for a film.
I wonder why the score soundtrack is bootleged? Maybe because many people wanted so badly after the sell was canceled because of money issues. I've read it on the lion king wikia. I got it from youtube it's the only place where I can find it at. The ones that bought the score Soundtrack are lucky or who knows.
Lambegue
2013-11-23 01:33:38
The commercial album, containing some Zimmer's tracks and the songs for the film, is easy to find. Very few commercial albums are complete, that's the way it goes, it is not about any canceling. This one is no exception.
More over, the commercial album for the Lion King is not so bad, even if I agree that there are some very good moments that aren't on it.
ggctuk
2013-11-23 20:20:54
The score was never ever available like this officially. It was never produced and it was never pulled. That's a story that's just gone around.
The leaks, both the old one and the new one, most likely come from DAT tapes. The first one was incorrectly ripped, resulting in low-quality cues. Rumour was that DAT tape was also damaged.
Maybe the composers keep the complete score soundtracks, that's not fair.
ggctuk
2013-11-23 18:26:10
Composers generally do have copies of what they had a hand in, yes. That being said, they are not at liberty to release any of it because they legally do not own it. It's not their call to make. Occasionally such things do get out because they get shared to a single person.
I want a copy of the CD. I bet it's in the Disney Vault.
Lambegue
2013-11-06 11:56:51
The complete score never had any official release, so you won't find any copy of this cd. At least not in a store.
ggctuk
2013-11-09 23:18:09
This is a fan set that combines the material from the most recent leak with songs from the album. Disney, yes, would have access to all the alternates and pieces that wound up on the cutting room floor. The only way it will be officially released is if labels like Intrada or LaLaLand Records decide to take them on.
Hans
2013-11-15 05:47:31
the f*ck you talking about?
ggctuk
2013-11-18 11:58:18
Excuse me, but to whom is that remark addressed to?
MacArthur
2013-11-18 15:44:14
You are right ggctuk. don't bother with them any statement that you make unless it's their own they'll slam you.
Was there anything additional composed for the film but that for whatever got cut? I'm not talking songs like the Be Prepared repirse (although it'd be pretty neat to get a clean version of that).
panturon
2013-08-13 20:53:32
si tienes un problema amigo te puedo ayudar, sabes?
ggctuk
2013-08-13 22:58:41
Not entirely sure what you mean by that.
ggctuk
2013-08-24 23:19:49
Are there any serious answers to my query?
MacArthur
2013-08-24 23:23:09
Not sure really did you look at the special edition of the Lion king
ggctuk
2013-08-26 22:42:43
Yes, but there's no additional music there.
MacArthur
2013-08-26 23:42:50
Ok then I'm Not sure then
snudl
2013-10-07 16:05:18
define what you mean by clean please
ggctuk
2013-10-11 21:46:23
When referring to an audio track, 'clean' generally means in good quality, without any sound effects. For instance, all of the music on this set is 'clean' whereas if I were to rip a soundtrack from a DVD, then because there would be artifacts in the audio mix (sound effects, vocal echo, some missing instruments etc etc) then it would not be classed as 'clean'.
Hampelmann
2013-10-18 09:03:28
there is a clean version of the Be Prepared reprise on the DVD
ggctuk
2013-10-18 21:53:11
If you mean in the deleted scene storyboard, then unless it's in stereo and in fairly good quality, I wouldn't regard that as clean.
This is the final revision of the analysis, updated with as much information as I could gather. I have not included anything about who did what because quite frankly we don't know.
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