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Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfeís part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesnít seem to represent that for some reason.
I really liked Richterís score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richterís score is used (alongside Balfeís material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly itís a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, itís very pretty. Iíll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His ďMusic For AirportsĒ and ďThe Lovely BonesĒ are excellent if you like more introspective music.
btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, Iíve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. Itís funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfeís contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). Itís disappointing that they didnít include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.
Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?"The Wanderer", "Event Horizon", "You Have To Let Me Go" and "Tuesday (Voiceless)" = WOW WOW WOW!!!Zanelli is no James Newton Howard, but he did a fantastic job with writing a large scale fantasy score. Iíll even say that, while I think the first Maleficent is stronger overall, I personally like the action writing better here. Also 2 little things Iíve noticed;<br><br>1. The new theme here sounds fairly similar to the Father/Son tune from KFP3<br>2. 2:20-3:30 sounds like it may have been temped from the finale of Fantastic Beasts. (Or maybe Iím just crazy lol)Great work of Zanelli, if is not as good like JNH's Maleficent, is a tremendous work, with a terrific writing and orchestrations, even the most tender parts are terrific.
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John PowellGavin GreenawayRyeland AllisonHans Zimmer
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional ArrangementsScore Producer
Face/Off (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 128'12
HZimmer.com rating:        4/5
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CD1
  1. The Merry-Go-Round (5:17)
  2. Airport Chase (6:24)
  3. Hangar Shootout (4:48)
  4. I Got Him, Eve (0:57)
  5. Case Closed (1:00)
  6. Sinclair Revealed (1:33)
  7. The Black Bag Operation (5:57)
  8. One Last Assignment (1:28)
  9. Face Lift - Madness (4:45)
  10. The Clock's Ticking (0:18)
  11. Erewhon Prison (2:16)
  12. Prison Fight (3:08)
  13. Casto Awakens (1:57)
  14. Unexpected Visito (3:16)
  15. Sean Attacks Castor (1:27)
  16. Castor In The Suburbs (1:27)
  17. Pollux Gets Released (1:05)
  18. Castor Disarms The Bomb (1:30)
  19. Sean's Breakdown (1:29)
  20. I Need A Light (1:34)
  21. Prison Escape (5:19)
  22. Mikey's Grave (3:50)
  23. Refuge At Dietrichs (2:30)
  24. The Golden Guns (0:29)
  25. Face... Off (2:22)
  26. No More Drugs For That Man (1:18)
CD2
  1. The Knife (2:23)
  2. Castor's Son (2:45)
  3. Attack On The Loft (Part 1) (2:47)
  4. Attack On The Loft (Part 2) (0:44)
  5. Castor Shoot Dietrich (0:43)
  6. Bye, Bye Pollux (3:00)
  7. Brotherly Love (1:18)
  8. Lazarro Dies (1:05)
  9. Sean Goes Home (1:43)
  10. Castor And Eve (1:13)
  11. Eve Learns The Truth (2:12)
  12. Our First Date (2:30)
  13. Castor At The Hospital (0:37)
  14. Sean's Move (1:29)
  15. Lazarro's Funeral (2:37)
  16. Standoff (2:50)
  17. The Garden (4:06)
  18. Boat Chase (4:20)
  19. Ready For The Big Ride, Bubba (3:25)
  20. Homecoming (3:07)
  21. Airport Chase (Alternate) (6:26)
  22. Hangar Shootout (Alternate) (4:48)
  23. Champers (Unused) (1:03)
  24. Rape Car Sourse (Unused) (0:53)
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SPECTER reply Replies: 3 || 2018-05-17 03:52:59
Hi guys, can anyone recommend some highlights from this soundtrack. Would appreciate it thank you!


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-17 08:28:28
If we're talking about the complete score, then

The Merry-Go-Round of Life
Airport Chase
Escape
Mikey's Grave
Boat Chase
Homecoming

is a good sampler of the absolute highlights to get you started. "Homecoming" (called "Ready for the Big Ride, Bubba" on the album release even though a different cue has that name on the complete score) is actually a really beautiful cue, one of my favorites from Powell.


Mephariel2018-05-17 17:32:03
The action cue "Escape" is easily one of my favorite from Powell. And the final cue for the scene right before the ending is absolutely beautiful. Face/Off is actually my favorite Powell score I think.


SPECTER2018-05-17 20:46:40
Thanks guys, will check out these cues.

Bayhem reply Replies: 2 || 2018-05-15 08:54:24
Honestly, I still can't believe that this is a Powell score. It's a classic Zimmer from start to finish. There are no credits here, so I wonder - is there more to this story? Was Hans really *just* a score producer. Or he actually did a lot.....?


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-15 09:19:59
Gavin Greenaway did a lot of additional work on this, which is probably why it ends up having such a heavy classic mid-90s MV sound to it (same year Greenaway worked on The Peacemaker, which kind of shows). But the quieter portions are genuine Powell to my ears, and if you listen to some of his more obscure work from around this time (stuff like his Director's Cuts cues, Human Bomb, High Incident, D-Tox which came out in 2002 but was composed a few years earlier I think) you'll get more of a frame of reference for what Powell sounded like back when he was just another cog in the MV machine and hadn't developed his own sound yet. Face/Off doesn't really sound like "Powell" as we know him now, but it also doesn't sound like genuine Zimmer at any point either.

FWIW, I have the following cues listed as co-composed by Greenaway, but I don't remember where exactly I got this information from so take it with a grain of salt:

Airport Chase
Erewhon Prison
Castor Disarms the Bomb
Mikey's Grave
Refuge at Dietrich's
The Golden Guns
Face...Off
Attack on the Loft (Part 1)
Attack on the Loft (Part 2)
Castor Shoots Dietrich
Bye Bye Pollux
Brotherly Love
Lazarro Dies
Standoff
The Garden


Bayhem2018-05-15 09:44:42
Gavin Greenaway did a lot of additional work on this
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Yes, absolutely. With this and The Peacemaker, Greenaway really showed some great composer skills. He should've had a bigger career. He deserves it.



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But the quieter portions are genuine Powell to my ears, and if you listen to some of his more obscure work from around this time (stuff like his Director's Cuts cues, Human Bomb, High Incident, D-Tox which came out in 2002 but was composed a few years earlier I think) you'll get more of a frame of reference for what Powell sounded like back when he was just another cog in the MV machine and hadn't developed his own sound yet
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Now that I think about it, you're right about the quieter moments in Face Off.

D-Tox is actually one of my all-time favorite scores and there are indeed some similarities between that score and Face Off. Very much a Powell sound. I guess with Face Off I was a little bit too focused on the choir bits (classic Zimmer approach) and the wild action tracks.



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Face/Off doesn't really sound like "Powell" as we know him now, but it also doesn't sound like genuine Zimmer at any point either.
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Well, some parts in the ending during Lazzaro's funeral feel feel very Zimmer-ish to me. Some cues during the boat and airport chase scenes as well. As for Powell, yes, you're right. This score really sticks out in his filmography. With the exception of certain tracks and cues (in D-Tox for example) he's never really done another score like Face Off.


Well, maybe Chill Factor......lol.

Damien, Moderator reply Replies: 2 || 2010-09-20 00:00:00
Look at bottom of this page (or perhaps on next page as it will not be long before going to) at my post from 28/11/2007


Jesper2015-10-16 11:43:25
Soo, Damien, I was thinking... I actually have this score. Would it be alright I if decided to upload it to youtube for instance, so all these fans could have a chance to enjoy it as well? I mean, if it hasn't been officially released anyway, it's not like you're losing any money because of it. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked.


Damien, Moderator2015-10-17 02:40:08
Soo, Jesper you are publically telling you stole something...
And if you do not understand this, I can difficultly learn you what current laws are about intellectual properties rights.

MasterZ reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-21 02:07:50
I pulled a Giacchino, track 1: The Not So Merry Go Round ;0

One of my favorite tracks in face

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2012-10-19 14:34:18
why has gavin greenaway's name been removed and it now says additional music by geoff zanelli?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-19 00:00:00
maybe if you used a certain search engine......

Andre reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-19 00:00:00
Hi!

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to know how or where I can buy this CD set. It is a great action movie and soundtrack and would love to these scores.

Look forward to hearing back from you.

Thanks,
Andre

anoop reply Replies: 0 || 2010-05-10 00:00:00
superrrrrrrrr

rahul reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-26 00:00:00
thank you very much

tito reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-21 00:00:00
thanks

amr reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-11 00:00:00
thanks

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-23 00:00:00
The combination of Powell, Greenaway, and Zanelli was spot-on! Greenaway scoring action music is always a plus

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-12 00:00:00
CJ, "The Carrusel - On" was in fact a cue somebody added to the original 50 tracks complete score. It was "The Merry-Go-Round" followed by the "Alleluia" song featured at the beginning of the movie (but not part of Powell's score) - nothing new !

Geoff Zanelli didn't composed any cue, but was more like the assistant of Powell who helped him to complete some cues. As for Greenaway, he worked on the following cues for sure : Erewhon Prison, Bye Bye Pollux, Lazarro Dies, Standoff, The Garden... And I heard (no confirmation) that he did the Attack on the Loft cues.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
What tracks did Greenaway and Zanelli compose?

CJ reply Replies: 0 || 2009-03-15 00:00:00
What happened to "The Carrusel - On" list on the "promo" Film score tray, the last track listed - (6:37)? I managed to locate the Face Off (Complete Score) OST [John Powell] but this track was not among the 50 included. Is it just me or was the selection removed for some unknown reason? Thanks in advance for any feedback!

FaceOffFan reply Replies: 0 || 2008-12-24 00:00:00
I'm sorry, but this is bullsh*t. The official soundtrack release has 8 songs? 8? Are you serious? And that's GOOD ENOUGH? I guess you just don't appreciate music like I do, I suppose. When I see that they have 2 CD's full of the music from my favorite film and NO WAY to hear it (other than watching the film), I get upset. Legal, illegal, I don't care. I just want to be able to listen to these tracks and enjoy the music, instead of making due with 8 songs....That's a smack in the face of the fans. #######

Sega reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-25 00:00:00
good

HanZfan reply Replies: 0 || 2008-08-08 00:00:00
I agree... I hoped they would have put a score out for this movie many years ago, which they didn't. And you have this, but no way for us to listen to it or buy it.

Remembering the music from the movie, it was a great score. But if there was some way to buy this at some point or buy the mp3s at least, that would be great.

Do you know if that will be possible? If so, when? I think I speak for many here when I say, we'd like to have these songs/soundtrack.

nicole reply Replies: 0 || 2008-06-14 00:00:00
thanks

joe d reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-02 00:00:00
I wish there was a way to get the longer version of the piano theme in hans' loft

Robert Monsivaiz reply Replies: 0 || 2008-01-13 00:00:00
I didn't think this existed. But it looks AWESOME compared to the official soundtrack release! 8D

Falconet reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-31 00:00:00
Geoff Zanelli : synths recording :P

Damien, Moderator reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-28 00:00:00
This CD cannot be bought as all bootleg releases (if you do not know what a bootleg is, look at wikipedia).
If you want the Face Off soundtrack, you can look at this one:
http://www.hans-zimmer.com/fr/disco_detail.php?id=87

Maria do Carmo reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-28 00:00:00
Where can I find the CD to buy in internet?

Thanks

Dasius reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-16 00:00:00
How are you going to tell us to rate it and then not tell us how to listen to it? Where can we find the full CDs? After I listen to it then I'll rate it.

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2007-10-30 00:00:00
Definelty the best soundtrack of John Powell! Thank Hans (broken arrow) and Gavin (the peacemaker).

Naweel reply Replies: 0 || 2006-11-28 00:00:00
To Antas
Hi, I was wondering if this kind og music is bootleg which means it is not relesed then how come are there so many bottlegs which are not ment to be realesed but someone hs it. Why does somone has the music while other dont? Bootlegs are not meant to be realesed but they still pop up. How come?? I my self have a lot of bootlegs fomr mediaventutr composers but i have been waiting for this album for years but no one has it or uploads it. I have also tried to become a member of this page but i cant for some reason.
And I was wonderng did you write the music for the contender or was t just your version, either way it was great.
Thanks for any answers you might give
Bye
I will check back to see in case you replied

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2006-11-24 00:00:00
Reuben Lane, in answer to your question:

Producing a CD required certain costs to be paid in the first place for production, publicity etc.

Sometimes composers don't think it's worth it because maybe not enough people are after all their material.

However now with digital downloads removing these costs, complete scores are more likely. :)

Reuben Lane reply Replies: 0 || 2006-09-09 00:00:00
Why in the world do you let people make money off of bootlegs when you could release this same music and make the money yourself and make this music more accessable??

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