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Not as simply as that.... Training is Ramin's arrangement of a Hans theme, and the core of Mr. Charles when the Fischer theme isn't playing is a Hans idea, too, as far as I know. Take the Zimmer out and those moments wouldn't be the same.I think Balfe working with Nolan would have done a great jobBob,The Training is basically Ramin Djawadi and Mr.Charles is BalfeI hope these two team up again. Zimmer's score is the main driving force for some memorable scenes. Just a few<br>Batman Begins-The Training<br>TDK- Joker crash the party, Gordon's speech and ending<br>Inception - Time, Mr.Charles, <br>TKDR - the climb, imagine the fire and orphan<br>Interstellar-Stay, Docking, coward, mountain<br>Dunkirk - well the entire movieJustin Hurwitz I can see. I enjoyed La La Land and First Man. But Both Hurwitz and Göransson are several notches above Lorne Balfe. <br><br>I think 80/100 directors would rather work with Göransson than Balfe.
I really believe that Nolan has made a mistake as a composer.I think Lorne Balfe, David Julyan or Justin Hurwitz would be much better options than Ludwig Goransson.Interesting news. <br><br>Geoff Zanelli is one of those composers who I’ve loved his additional music over his solo efforts, Pirates 5 excluded. I hope he gets a chance to write some great fantasy music for this, regardless if he reuses JNH’s themes or not.I think I am the only one, who would be glad about David Julyan return.<br><br>I really like his music for early Nolan's films, especially Insomnia, and it's what i can call an "atmospheric experience".<br><br>Don't know how his music fits for espionage timetraveling movie, but, for me, i'st would be something interesting to hear.@mpolonest123: those Pemberton scores are indeed pure gold, very cool on album but insanely good in the movie. My favorite is still his King Arthur, that was a beast of a score that stuck with the movie like glue and really enhanced Guy Ritchie's dark, twisted, trippy vision.*3 things
Sure, but there's two things to consider. <br>1). Pirates has such an iconic sound that it'd be really stupid for them to suddenly abandon it at #5. Especially when we hired the guy who has worked on the previous 4. 2). Maleficent, as successful as it was to warrant a sequel, isn't quite as well known in the score department, despite being well received by those who have heard it. 3). Because Zanelli worked on all Pirates, he had enough familiarity with the sounds and motifs that he knew where to go once he led the ship. In Maleficent's case, he's taking over from a previous composer, and is working with a director who likely only knows his work on POTC5. As such, there's no knowing yet if he might be compelled to continue on from JNH, or if it's decided he just does his own thing.<br><br>I'm happy that Geoff at the very least has a safe career at Disney, considering two of their recent live action successes has had him involved. However, considering I hear his recently work hasn't been his best, JNH likely would've benefited from returning to a world that had some of his best material after he wasn't given the opportunity to do so with Glass. As such, it really is a severely missed opportunity, even if newer blood is getting more opportunities.Just listening to this again. It really is a best of both score. What I think is so great, is that you can hear both of the brothers' own voice but they blend so well together!! Really really great score!<br><br>It's a really remarkable score, the swifts in tone between dramatic and jazz is top-notch. It's higher on favorite list from 2019 already, than I thought it would ever be.<br><br>Give me more Gregson-Williams brothers scores!!!!!!I was hoping for JNH, but we'll see what he does. JNH's themes were amazing zo it would be stupod not to use them. But he used the Pirates themes, so I'm feeling actually quite ok about itTrue, but he didn’t really get credit for The Lone Ranger or any of the Pirates films other than #5... those are billed strictly as HZ scores. I would say Christopher Robin likely was a result of the success of his Pirates score, and Timothy Green wasn’t really a Disney tentpole release. Maleficent isn’t a Marvel or Star Wars level tentpole, but it is still a blockbuster film that I think he’ll do an awesome job with.@Mephariel - you’re right. However Interstellar and Inception, musically speaking, are simple scores. They are moving, beautiful, and masterpieces, but still simple. Which is great! <br><br>But if we are wanting Zimmer to return to a type of music, I’d much rather prefer something along the lines of Pirates, The Rock, The Last Samurai, Crimson Tide, etc. Tonally, of course it would be more modern and new, but melodically a return to those forms would be a dream come true.
Geoff has done several other Disney projects besides Pirates 5.  (All Pirates movies since the first, Lone Ranger, Christopher Robin, Odd Life of Timothy Green). And I have to say that I would rather JNH return for the sequel, as that would allow him to expand on his fantastic score for the first film.@George<br><br>To be fair, Interstellar is a genuine masterpiece score and maybe one my favorite score of all time, but I am not sure when Nolan will allow Zimmer to return to that type of scoring. <br><br>Hell, Time is my favorite cue ever, but again, I am not sure if Nolan is interested in that kind of music anymore.  <br><br>I guess we will see with Tenet. And yes, I absolutely think Göransson can be a future star in the making and if anyone is allow write his or her own "Time" cultural moment, it may as well be him.@mephariel @mpolonest123 - glad I’m not the only one who’s more excited for those compared to cold and dark Nolan/Zimmer scores. I’m kinda over those to be honest.And if I’m completely honest, I’m more excited by WW84, Spongebob, Top Gun, and Dark Phoenix than another potential Nolan collab.@mephariel <br>I can definitely see that, especially with King Arthur and Spiderverse. I do think his music adds a lot to the films he scores (Steve Jobs and Man From Uncle being two great examples) where he consistently switches up styles and tones to keep things fresh. Maybe not the strongest theme writer but I do love his approaches.
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Hans ZimmerHarry Gregson-WilliamsDon HarperJay Rifkin
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional MusicScore Producer
Broken Arrow (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 95'32
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  1. Rope-A-Dope (5:04)
  2. The Bomber (1:53)
  3. Campers (0:39)
  4. Going To War (6:17)
  5. Wreckage (0:16)
  6. The Pentagon (1:16)
  7. The Search - Broken Arrow (2:42)
  8. Desert Dawn (3:41)
  9. Day Search (1:28)
  10. Right Down There (3:26)
  11. Something's Coming (3:50)
  12. 10,000 Years (2:15)
  13. Humvee Chase (4:54)
  14. Mine Shaft 1 (1:53)
  15. Mine Shaft 2 (15:49)
  16. Big Bang (2:15)
  17. Butterflies (1:57)
  18. The Boat - Stowaway (3:27)
  19. Breaking Orders (2:19)
  20. Eat A Bullet (2:15)
  21. Hammerhead (17:04)
  22. Nuke Disarmed (End Credits) (7:33)
  23. Eat A Bullet (Alternate) (3:35)
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Bayhem reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-15 21:34:04
No need for me to say that I absolutely adore that score. Some truly amazing cues. I wonder though, are there any other Zimmer scores, or tracks, with heavy Western influences and elements? Aside from this and Rango...


Bondo2017-07-17 01:04:33
Listen to his unused Gladiator theme "Duduk of the North" and you'll hear some serious Western influences ;)


...2017-07-17 01:06:48
And Lone Ranger of course....


Patrick2017-07-17 01:11:03
...and of course "Parlay" in Pirates Of The Carribbean 3


JR2017-07-17 04:37:12
A bit of Western elements, you should also check :
- Thelma & Louise (action cues are Nice!)
- An everlasting Piece (a good jam session with a large variety of instruments, including Western influence)


Bayhem2017-07-17 13:20:39
Awesome! Thanks for the recommendations, folks. Off to check them out.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-03 00:00:00
@ Sam, "For me... There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD.."

Then you clearly dont know the score that well! The commercial CD is mixed (badly) in places and the cues are not standalone like on this edition.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
Much appreciated! I always like knowing who wrote what and trying to figure it all out based on each composer's "sound."

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Some licensing sites are giving credits to Gregson-Williams for the Main Titles ("Brothers") along with Harper and Zimmer. That's everything I have about HGW on Broken Arrow.

I know for sure that Harper wrote the cues Boat (CD2 track4), Breaking Orders (CD2 track5) and Train Fight (CD2 track6). I know, the tracknames aren't the same... but the bootleg's tracklist is fanmade, not official. Boat and Train Fight are mixed together and named "Broken Arrow Suite" on one of Harper's promo.
And Harper is given credits for Breaking Orders on some licensing sites. It's fun to see he wrote many cues that follow each other, like if Zimmer told him "from reel #20 to reel #26, YOU write ALL the music". :-)
I don't know if Harper composed other cues.

Zimmer is credited ALONE on the following cues : "Desert Dawn" (CD1 track8) and Mine Shaft (*probably - due to the track name* CD1 track12, but could also be CD2 track1).

Hope it helps.

I have also noticed that there are a few cues missing on this bootleg, mostly from the scene with the nukes in the canyon, just after the crash. Not the best cues of the score, but enjoyable ones nonetheless.

Ruthlessgravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Besides writing additional music? Not sure, could be possible that he just wrote filler music - the songs that are like a 40 some seconds long.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
Any ideas what tracks Harry Gregson-Williams worked on?

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-17 00:00:00
Great thing that this one has a proper good quality No FX version - IMHO it's one of Zimmer's finest action scores. Now only if The Lion King also gets a similar quality boot... ;D

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-02 00:00:00
Really good stuff in here. But I think they ran out of creative juice when it came for a tracklisting! hehe

Mikel Carmona S.i.W ( from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-26 00:00:00
You are right, Hybrid Soldier

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
No, axel...

The theme of Broken Arrow IS in Scream !


;-)

axel reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
It's a good score.
N.B. : The love theme from Scream 2 (theme which is not on the complete score 2 CD composed by Marco Beltrami) is in the score of Broken Arrow !!!

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2007-02-19 00:00:00
my favorite score. I have searched a lot for it and I'm not disapponted. Many adds by comparison with the commercial score. Amazing !!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-08-20 00:00:00
Got my hands on this one, awesome to say the least.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-26 00:00:00
Yeah you try finding it! :P

Took me a while to get it and I did stumble on it through a friend but that was after I bought it. This CD is laser etched etc. and I got it pretty cheap! =D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-25 00:00:00
Wow, you paid money for a bootleg? Crazy nut!

xeriouxi reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-23 00:00:00
Just bought this... hope that it's the real thing! ^^;

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-18 00:00:00
here's the covers
i made 3 different back for people who like the movie
choose the one u prefer

http://plissken.free.fr/Covers/B/B.htm

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-17 00:00:00
Excellent idea this 2cds

will do a new cover asap!!!
will let u know

Dark reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
this one is a true must-one
excellent quality

S reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
Indeed, this one is the BEST version so far.

But the cover inserts are sooo bad....

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
yes, the official release contains the main interesting cues fortunately

Sam reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
For me...

There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD...

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
All tracks are stereo and very good quality :-)

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
Ah... Good old Broken Arrow. Nice find guys! I think you guys at HZ.com have come across a treasure vault of the former Media Ventures compositions, eh? You seem to find more no-fx soundtracks than ever before!

Anyway, don't tell me there are mono tracks in this one like TLK!! ;-)

Angel reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
So there was a complete score afterall...

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