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Yep, if "deserving" existed, Atli would've gotten many more movies than he currently does.Anyone know of a proper chronological listing of this score? I tried cross-referencing it with the expanded listed here and made this:<br><br>01 Dublin, 1996<br>02 <br>03 <br>04 <br>05 Second Warning<br>06 Research<br>07 Driving<br>08 The Beating<br>09 Traynor Lies<br>10 Never Show Your Fear<br>11 Preparations<br>12 The Killing<br>13 Bad News<br>14 The Funeral<br>15 One More Day<br><br>But I have no idea where Conversations, First Warning, and Deceit goes, and I'm not sure if Traynor Lies and Driving are placed correctlyif you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap<br>..................<br><br>Fair enough....But look back on the comment itself. It's kinda confusing. The way you wrote it created the illusion that Lorne not only ghostwrote the score, but he also dismissed it as crap. You didn't say "I dismissed the rumor". You said: "...a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap." <br> <br><br>Anyway, moving on.....<br><br>Steve was interviewed a lot about The Last Knight and it's pretty obvious that he worked hard on that score. From the day they started shooting the movie. Was he supported by other composers? Absolutely. You can't score such a huge movie by yourself. Any composer who claims that is lying.<br><br>So there's nothing shocking or surprising about the fact that other composers were involved here. As for them being "Lorne's people"......well, considering how MV/RC-related composers work and how interconnected everything is, the "Lorne guys" could very well be friends with Steve too and perhaps he simply brought them on board. Or they were recommended by Lorne. It certainly doesn't mean that there was this top secret plan of them and Lorne actually ghostwriting the entire score. I still wonder tho......how do these rumors even come up? Who spreads them? And why? I ask because this is not the first time I've heard rumors about Zimmer scores and Jablonsky scores. It's always these two guys. Which happen to be two of the most prominent and popular MV/RC guys. Coincidence? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it kinda makes me think that someone is intentionally trying to undermine the biggest MV/RC names by constantly throwing shade at their work."Deserving" is a word that doesn't exist in Hollywood, so stop thinking that way... lolThe problem I have with Junkie XL scoring Avatar is just that there are so many RCP composers better or more deserving. You have Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Mancina, Jackman, Wallfisch...it is just so wrong to think Junkie XL is scoring Avatar and none of those guys are.
I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Hornerís classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And Iím not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I canít help but wondering if thereís some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think youíre pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I donít care who wrote it Iím just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.
You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to Go
Not to mention that Steve and Lorne structure their power anthems differently.<br>To me this score sounds like 100% SteveI wouldn't say so, Lorne stacks his ostinatos and rhythms on top of each other (see Blackwood, Last Man on the Moon) and shotguns piano writing all over his scores in addition to using it for almost any kind of emotional scene (see Manny, Duck Shoot, Brothers Theme from Hurricane Heist)Well, if all we're using to distinguish Lorne is ostinatos and piano writing, then in that case, he's all over this film!The interesting thing is, that if Lorne did work on it, his work is indistinguishable from Steve's cause I hear none of his ostinatos or extensive piano writing.@Hybrid, a while ago I saw a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap.<br>But looking at the credits I see some people from his team have been involved( his assistant Queenie Li as music coordinator, and Max Aruj and Steffen Thum did arrangements..)<br>Do you know why and to which extent he was involved or why his team worked on the score?
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Broken Arrow (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 95'32
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  1. Rope-A-Dope (5:04)
  2. The Bomber (1:53)
  3. Campers (0:39)
  4. Going To War (6:17)
  5. Wreckage (0:16)
  6. The Pentagon (1:16)
  7. The Search - Broken Arrow (2:42)
  8. Desert Dawn (3:41)
  9. Day Search (1:28)
  10. Right Down There (3:26)
  11. Something's Coming (3:50)
  12. 10,000 Years (2:15)
  13. Humvee Chase (4:54)
  14. Mine Shaft 1 (1:53)
  15. Mine Shaft 2 (15:49)
  16. Big Bang (2:15)
  17. Butterflies (1:57)
  18. The Boat - Stowaway (3:27)
  19. Breaking Orders (2:19)
  20. Eat A Bullet (2:15)
  21. Hammerhead (17:04)
  22. Nuke Disarmed (End Credits) (7:33)
  23. Eat A Bullet (Alternate) (3:35)
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Bayhem reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-15 21:34:04
No need for me to say that I absolutely adore that score. Some truly amazing cues. I wonder though, are there any other Zimmer scores, or tracks, with heavy Western influences and elements? Aside from this and Rango...


Bondo2017-07-17 01:04:33
Listen to his unused Gladiator theme "Duduk of the North" and you'll hear some serious Western influences ;)


...2017-07-17 01:06:48
And Lone Ranger of course....


Patrick2017-07-17 01:11:03
...and of course "Parlay" in Pirates Of The Carribbean 3


JR2017-07-17 04:37:12
A bit of Western elements, you should also check :
- Thelma & Louise (action cues are Nice!)
- An everlasting Piece (a good jam session with a large variety of instruments, including Western influence)


Bayhem2017-07-17 13:20:39
Awesome! Thanks for the recommendations, folks. Off to check them out.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-03 00:00:00
@ Sam, "For me... There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD.."

Then you clearly dont know the score that well! The commercial CD is mixed (badly) in places and the cues are not standalone like on this edition.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
Much appreciated! I always like knowing who wrote what and trying to figure it all out based on each composer's "sound."

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Some licensing sites are giving credits to Gregson-Williams for the Main Titles ("Brothers") along with Harper and Zimmer. That's everything I have about HGW on Broken Arrow.

I know for sure that Harper wrote the cues Boat (CD2 track4), Breaking Orders (CD2 track5) and Train Fight (CD2 track6). I know, the tracknames aren't the same... but the bootleg's tracklist is fanmade, not official. Boat and Train Fight are mixed together and named "Broken Arrow Suite" on one of Harper's promo.
And Harper is given credits for Breaking Orders on some licensing sites. It's fun to see he wrote many cues that follow each other, like if Zimmer told him "from reel #20 to reel #26, YOU write ALL the music". :-)
I don't know if Harper composed other cues.

Zimmer is credited ALONE on the following cues : "Desert Dawn" (CD1 track8) and Mine Shaft (*probably - due to the track name* CD1 track12, but could also be CD2 track1).

Hope it helps.

I have also noticed that there are a few cues missing on this bootleg, mostly from the scene with the nukes in the canyon, just after the crash. Not the best cues of the score, but enjoyable ones nonetheless.

Ruthlessgravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Besides writing additional music? Not sure, could be possible that he just wrote filler music - the songs that are like a 40 some seconds long.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
Any ideas what tracks Harry Gregson-Williams worked on?

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-17 00:00:00
Great thing that this one has a proper good quality No FX version - IMHO it's one of Zimmer's finest action scores. Now only if The Lion King also gets a similar quality boot... ;D

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-02 00:00:00
Really good stuff in here. But I think they ran out of creative juice when it came for a tracklisting! hehe

Mikel Carmona S.i.W ( from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-26 00:00:00
You are right, Hybrid Soldier

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
No, axel...

The theme of Broken Arrow IS in Scream !


;-)

axel reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
It's a good score.
N.B. : The love theme from Scream 2 (theme which is not on the complete score 2 CD composed by Marco Beltrami) is in the score of Broken Arrow !!!

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2007-02-19 00:00:00
my favorite score. I have searched a lot for it and I'm not disapponted. Many adds by comparison with the commercial score. Amazing !!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-08-20 00:00:00
Got my hands on this one, awesome to say the least.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-26 00:00:00
Yeah you try finding it! :P

Took me a while to get it and I did stumble on it through a friend but that was after I bought it. This CD is laser etched etc. and I got it pretty cheap! =D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-25 00:00:00
Wow, you paid money for a bootleg? Crazy nut!

xeriouxi reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-23 00:00:00
Just bought this... hope that it's the real thing! ^^;

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-18 00:00:00
here's the covers
i made 3 different back for people who like the movie
choose the one u prefer

http://plissken.free.fr/Covers/B/B.htm

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-17 00:00:00
Excellent idea this 2cds

will do a new cover asap!!!
will let u know

Dark reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
this one is a true must-one
excellent quality

S reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
Indeed, this one is the BEST version so far.

But the cover inserts are sooo bad....

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
yes, the official release contains the main interesting cues fortunately

Sam reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
For me...

There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD...

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
All tracks are stereo and very good quality :-)

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
Ah... Good old Broken Arrow. Nice find guys! I think you guys at HZ.com have come across a treasure vault of the former Media Ventures compositions, eh? You seem to find more no-fx soundtracks than ever before!

Anyway, don't tell me there are mono tracks in this one like TLK!! ;-)

Angel reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
So there was a complete score afterall...

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