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Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.@HunterTech<br><br>"I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world."<br><br>Exactly. Hans, for all the criticism he gets (much of it for good reason), has written some of the best film music of all time (seriously, having listened to huge amounts of Williams and Goldsmith, I still find Science & Religion my favorite cue ever). On the other hand, Lorne has written innumerable adequate-to-good scores, but none that I can recall are iconic. I'd say the closest he's come is in the form of his contributions to some of Zimmer's work (personally, I think his Kick It theme is the most interesting of those in Inception), but even then he hasn't done anything as memorable as Djawadi's theme from Batman Begins.Michael - reread the second half of my previous comment. And no, I don't think Genius or Churchill are no good; I wasn't impressed by the second, to be honest, but Genius is really cool - like an updated version of Frost/Nixon, one of my very favorite Zimmer/RCP scores.<br><br>Edmund - much appreciated.<br><br>Overall, I too am baffled by many of these comments; clearly there is a middle ground between "Lorne is shit." and "Lorne is absolutely amazing.", but this seems to be missed.<br><br>And by the way, I'm actually super happy for Lorne's success - I think he deserves it given the quality and quantity of his work, and he seems like a super nice guy to boot (how many composers regularly respond to people on Facebook?). However, this doesn't mean I can't simultaneously point out the fact that much of his work is very, very similar to work he's done previously. Indeed, I think this is more of an issue for Lorne than Hans, perhaps because he takes on sooooooo many projects.I agree. His Justice League theme is just a deconstruct of his Batman theme. Clever, yeah sure - he's done similar things with the Men In Black sequels and I'm sure there's others I can't think of right now - but I personally dont consider Elfman's involvement in this new DCEU to be very welcome. Zimmer paints a different canvas than Elfman, and I love both their works.
It was a missed opportunity.<br>Yeah... I'm not sure about Elfman's wave. The guy decided to bring back his old Batman theme instead of actually writing a new one. He has to re-invent himself. <br>Seven with ZimmerYeah, Silvestri, Newman, Goldenthal and JNH too. The six most popular "new" composers, along with Horner, of the  80's and 90's.I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't wait
I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitHonestly, I do feel bad for Elfman, because for Chrissakes hes been doing 50 Shades of Grey these days, and the last memorable scores I have of him are from 2012. But I don't think Zimmer or even Elfman for that matter are done as yet. I predict by the end of this decade Zimmer will have a new wave in popularity wash in. I'm just waiting for Elfman's wave right now...not quite seeing it yet.Glad you caught it Rockhound. Think the others were too wound up to notice !!i was trying to be funny.Pete you are funny, although u demand from others to talk about the actual soundtrack from this page, you start to talk also about another soundtrack. but ok.... i think Forgotten is a very boring track and adds nothing to the actual scene. a variation of his theme from the track Hero would have been much more intense for the ending. sadly we got 9 boring minutes of thematic development and instrumentation. Lorne can do much better as the track Hero from the same soundtrack shows.Zimmer got X-Men: Dark Phoenix this year. And I have a hard time believing he is only scoring that film this year. Zimmer always does more than 1 film a year.
No need for petty cursing .<br><br>We can discuss the soundtrack instead ! <br><br>Forgotten is cool track.Itís definitely one of Bayís best movies. Wish he would make more drama based film obvious with some action. Canít cope with more robots ! The ending of the film is so emotional and this track gave goosebumps at the end. Did sound very similar to the end of The Last Knight"Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subject."<br><br>Ok, so someone else gets us on this topic, an arguement occurs, and NOW, only when you've realized you're losing the arguement, do you decide that this page is only for 12 strong. Which it's not. This is a forum we talk about whatever we want here.<br><br>But what a childish and pathetic attempt at avoiding our points. Just dismissively saying "Boring! Change the subject! My ears can't handle this criticism!!! Wah, wah, wah!" I guarantee you the next step after this is going to be petty cursing.Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subjectUpset about success? Sounds like someone doesn't know a thing about reasonable criticism. :p<br><br>If anyone likes Balfe, then good on them. I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world. Especially if people are still gonna be excited about hearing the work of someone else when a different person is hired (i.e. what JL might've been).Can we please change the subject !!!!!!!!it is so boring now.This page is ment to be about the sound track to 12 Strong
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Hans ZimmerHarry Gregson-WilliamsDon HarperJay Rifkin
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Broken Arrow (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 95'32
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  1. Rope-A-Dope (5:04)
  2. The Bomber (1:53)
  3. Campers (0:39)
  4. Going To War (6:17)
  5. Wreckage (0:16)
  6. The Pentagon (1:16)
  7. The Search - Broken Arrow (2:42)
  8. Desert Dawn (3:41)
  9. Day Search (1:28)
  10. Right Down There (3:26)
  11. Something's Coming (3:50)
  12. 10,000 Years (2:15)
  13. Humvee Chase (4:54)
  14. Mine Shaft 1 (1:53)
  15. Mine Shaft 2 (15:49)
  16. Big Bang (2:15)
  17. Butterflies (1:57)
  18. The Boat - Stowaway (3:27)
  19. Breaking Orders (2:19)
  20. Eat A Bullet (2:15)
  21. Hammerhead (17:04)
  22. Nuke Disarmed (End Credits) (7:33)
  23. Eat A Bullet (Alternate) (3:35)
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Bayhem reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-15 21:34:04
No need for me to say that I absolutely adore that score. Some truly amazing cues. I wonder though, are there any other Zimmer scores, or tracks, with heavy Western influences and elements? Aside from this and Rango...


Bondo2017-07-17 01:04:33
Listen to his unused Gladiator theme "Duduk of the North" and you'll hear some serious Western influences ;)


...2017-07-17 01:06:48
And Lone Ranger of course....


Patrick2017-07-17 01:11:03
...and of course "Parlay" in Pirates Of The Carribbean 3


JR2017-07-17 04:37:12
A bit of Western elements, you should also check :
- Thelma & Louise (action cues are Nice!)
- An everlasting Piece (a good jam session with a large variety of instruments, including Western influence)


Bayhem2017-07-17 13:20:39
Awesome! Thanks for the recommendations, folks. Off to check them out.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-03 00:00:00
@ Sam, "For me... There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD.."

Then you clearly dont know the score that well! The commercial CD is mixed (badly) in places and the cues are not standalone like on this edition.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
Much appreciated! I always like knowing who wrote what and trying to figure it all out based on each composer's "sound."

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Some licensing sites are giving credits to Gregson-Williams for the Main Titles ("Brothers") along with Harper and Zimmer. That's everything I have about HGW on Broken Arrow.

I know for sure that Harper wrote the cues Boat (CD2 track4), Breaking Orders (CD2 track5) and Train Fight (CD2 track6). I know, the tracknames aren't the same... but the bootleg's tracklist is fanmade, not official. Boat and Train Fight are mixed together and named "Broken Arrow Suite" on one of Harper's promo.
And Harper is given credits for Breaking Orders on some licensing sites. It's fun to see he wrote many cues that follow each other, like if Zimmer told him "from reel #20 to reel #26, YOU write ALL the music". :-)
I don't know if Harper composed other cues.

Zimmer is credited ALONE on the following cues : "Desert Dawn" (CD1 track8) and Mine Shaft (*probably - due to the track name* CD1 track12, but could also be CD2 track1).

Hope it helps.

I have also noticed that there are a few cues missing on this bootleg, mostly from the scene with the nukes in the canyon, just after the crash. Not the best cues of the score, but enjoyable ones nonetheless.

Ruthlessgravity reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
@ Bondo

Besides writing additional music? Not sure, could be possible that he just wrote filler music - the songs that are like a 40 some seconds long.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2009-05-05 00:00:00
Any ideas what tracks Harry Gregson-Williams worked on?

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-17 00:00:00
Great thing that this one has a proper good quality No FX version - IMHO it's one of Zimmer's finest action scores. Now only if The Lion King also gets a similar quality boot... ;D

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-02 00:00:00
Really good stuff in here. But I think they ran out of creative juice when it came for a tracklisting! hehe

Mikel Carmona S.i.W ( from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-26 00:00:00
You are right, Hybrid Soldier

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
No, axel...

The theme of Broken Arrow IS in Scream !


;-)

axel reply Replies: 0 || 2007-06-21 00:00:00
It's a good score.
N.B. : The love theme from Scream 2 (theme which is not on the complete score 2 CD composed by Marco Beltrami) is in the score of Broken Arrow !!!

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2007-02-19 00:00:00
my favorite score. I have searched a lot for it and I'm not disapponted. Many adds by comparison with the commercial score. Amazing !!!

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Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-08-20 00:00:00
Got my hands on this one, awesome to say the least.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-26 00:00:00
Yeah you try finding it! :P

Took me a while to get it and I did stumble on it through a friend but that was after I bought it. This CD is laser etched etc. and I got it pretty cheap! =D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-25 00:00:00
Wow, you paid money for a bootleg? Crazy nut!

xeriouxi reply Replies: 0 || 2006-07-23 00:00:00
Just bought this... hope that it's the real thing! ^^;

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-18 00:00:00
here's the covers
i made 3 different back for people who like the movie
choose the one u prefer

http://plissken.free.fr/Covers/B/B.htm

ReddragonAvidFan reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-17 00:00:00
Excellent idea this 2cds

will do a new cover asap!!!
will let u know

Dark reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
this one is a true must-one
excellent quality

S reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-12 00:00:00
Indeed, this one is the BEST version so far.

But the cover inserts are sooo bad....

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
yes, the official release contains the main interesting cues fortunately

Sam reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
For me...

There is no difference between Comercial Released and This kind of Bootleg CD...

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
All tracks are stereo and very good quality :-)

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
Ah... Good old Broken Arrow. Nice find guys! I think you guys at HZ.com have come across a treasure vault of the former Media Ventures compositions, eh? You seem to find more no-fx soundtracks than ever before!

Anyway, don't tell me there are mono tracks in this one like TLK!! ;-)

Angel reply Replies: 0 || 2006-06-11 00:00:00
So there was a complete score afterall...

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