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"Opening" and "SEAL Attack" are functionally identical; Hybrid says that Hans originally wrote it for the latter scene and it was then placed over the main titles of the film. However, the former is credited to Hans and NGS, the latter to Hans, HGW and Steven Stern. Presumably, since HGW/Stern aren't credited on "Opening", their contribution to "SEAL Attack" is limited to that first minute, which does indeed have a lot of HGW-ish percussion work to my ears. That leaves the rest of "SEAL Attack" as Hans' work alone, which begs the question: why the heck is NGS credited for "Opening", then, since it's basically identical? Screw it, I'm labeling that a solo Hans cue. Always bugged me that there wasn't at least one on this score. :p
Edmund Meinerts
2019-08-20 15:12:41
I'm sorry, disregard EVERYTHING I just wrote...The credit on "SEAL Attack" is HZ/NGS/Stern, not HZ/HGW/Stern. Not sure how I missed that. *facepalm*
Mike
2019-08-20 15:57:43
I remember hearing something about NGS not wanting his name in the opening credits since it was a Hans cue playing. So yeah. I think the opening is really just Zimmer and the NGS credit is a formality since it was supposed to be Nick’s score.
GermanRCPFan
2019-08-20 20:41:55
Listen to the first demo at NGS demos album of "The Rock". The opening and SEAL Attack have a few notes from original NGS theme. That's why NGS is credited to it.
Mr Tweedy
2019-08-21 09:35:17
I was honored, back in 2006, to meet both Nick Glennie-Smith and Harry Gregson-Williams.
I talked with both about The Rock, and here's what they told.
Nick & Hans worked very closely on most of their cues. That's why it's so hard to notice any difference between their own styles (and why they share most of the credits). Harry worked separately from Nick & Hans. He remembered working on the San Francisco Chase (though we know Don Harper helped at some point in the process), and on "a lot of the action material from the second half of the movie, once the heroes reach Alcatraz". The credits here tend to prove they were right.
All the Opening Titles / SEAL Attack is a bit complicated. Hans might have written the theme, but it also might be arranged for pictures by Nick Glennie-Smith (plus there's a lot more going on in these tracks than the man theme alone). So, well, I guess the final result still is a collaborative effort.
I've been listening to the complete score for the past few days and I've been reading a lot of comments and articles about it...….And my conclusion is: this IS the greatest action score in film history. I honestly can't think of a better score for a straight-up action movie (though Armageddon, Eraser and Broken Arrow come close).
Most of today's action scores are, frankly, very forgettable and bland. No themes, no actual melodies, no consistency, nada. You can't even compare them to The Rock. The Rock seems to be in a league of its own. Completely untouchable.
Anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter, folks :) Is there a consensus among MV/RC fans on The Rock? Is it the best? Or I'm alone on this and I'm just an overreacting fan? lol.
Mephariel
2019-05-15 17:05:00
One of the greatest action scores for sure. I love The Rock as a movie was well. The 90s had some of the greatest action movie scores ever. You got The Rock, Twister, Face/Off, Armageddon, etc.
But yeah, The Rock is awesome. The opening theme is probably Zimmer's best in the genre. Then you have "The Chase" and "Rockets Away" providing sustained entertainment.
Michael Baker
2019-05-15 19:36:42
I love this score and I don't want that called into question, but I can't help thinking scores like Crimson Tide and The Peacemaker take the same basic sound and do a better job with it. Those two are mostly Hans, obviously, and they just sound more cohesive. I have nothing against any of the composers who worked on The Rock, but to my ears, the Nick Glennie-Smith stuff sounds obviously different from the Hans Zimmer stuff, and they both sound very different from the Harry Gregson-Williams stuff. And the transitions are a tad jarring at times. I've never seen anyone else post this opinion before, though, so I may be the only one!
Bayhem
2019-05-16 08:32:58
The 90s had some of the greatest action movie scores ever ================================
Without a doubt. I grew up in the 90s and I was there for all of it. Truly one of the best decades for film music (and for cinema in general). I mean, it's the decade that changed action scores forever. Exactly because of scores like The Rock, Twister, Armageddon, Crimson Tide and The Peacemaker. Granted, Harold Faltermeyer kinda started it all in the mid-80s with his work on Top Gun, Tango and Cash and Beverly Hills Cop 2, but it was Hans and his team who really got the ball rolling. By the way, I'm super happy that Hans and Faltermeyer are teaming up for Top Gun 2. At least according to IMDb....
================== The opening theme is probably Zimmer's best in the genre ==================
Agreed. It's the ultimate Zimmer power anthem. I know the younger generation knows Hans mainly from his work on comicbook movies like Batman and Spider Man, but for me, 90's Zimmer will always be the best Zimmer. And my favorite Zimmer :))
Bayhem
2019-05-16 09:21:31
I have nothing against any of the composers who worked on The Rock, but to my ears, the Nick Glennie-Smith stuff sounds obviously different from the Hans Zimmer stuff, and they both sound very different from the Harry Gregson-Williams stuff. And the transitions are a tad jarring at times. I've never seen anyone else post this opinion before, though, so I may be the only one! =====================
That's actually very interesting. Never thought of it that way. And you're right. For those who are well aware of the overall MV/RC sound, there is indeed a difference between the Zimmer style and the Glennie-Smith style. However, I think that the two styles blend pretty well in The Rock. The movie itself allows for that. So I would argue that, while watching the actual movie, the two styles work very well together and they complement each other.
But listening to the score alone, yes, I can definitely see where you're coming from. The differences are obvious. Having said that, I still consider it to be a masterpiece of action scoring. And not only action. The emotional bits are great too. JADE is an extremely beautiful and tender track :))
P.S. The Peacemaker is on my personal TOP 5 of the greatest action scores of all time. I can't believe the score is not as popular as The Rock. Same for Eraser, by the way. Watch the movie again on a good sound system and you'll be blown away by the awesome Silvestri score. I really wish those two scores were more popular with the public......
Mr Tweedy
2019-05-18 11:04:44
Though there are differences, I think HZ & NGS styles mix together rather well.
Tracks like "Fort Walton", "Goodspeed Tracks Jade" or "Jade" are exceptions for sure. Apart from these, most tracks blend very well, imo. It's very different from Armageddon for exemple, when team Trevor and team Harry had very different styles (big anthems & guitars VS darker material and more subtle theme developments) and also different sound equipments (I can tell immediately who did what thanks to the sound banks they used). The Rock doesn't suffer from those extreme differences imo.
We fans here listened to those scores for over 20 years and we've learnt how to spot each composer (thanks to this website and all the infos on each track we got over the years). I'm not sure I could have noticed all those details back in 1996, or even 10 years ago.
Nonetheless, The Rock is one of the greatest action scores ever. While more coherent scores like Crimson Tide or The Fan grew on me over the years, The Rock keeps a very special place in my heart.
Thanks! It’s interesting how much NGS was involved with the whole thing, regardless of “being replaced” by Zimmer. And I guess this confirms that JNH had no involvement, unless he was either uncredited or just acted as a consultant.
Mike
2018-10-30 06:16:06
Interesting this doesn't have any sort of "theme demo" for Hans' replacement theme... Did Hans just kinda dash it off to picture or something?
Hybrid Soldier
2018-10-30 08:31:25
There was no time to make demos !
Hans started with "Seal Attack" in fact, before it even became the Opening Titles !
Don Harper left the project in the middle of it and had HGW redo most of his things !
123
2018-10-30 10:30:04
Thank you Hybrid, very cool
Hybrid Soldier
2018-10-30 10:33:25
As for JNH, words I heard was more like he was thanked because Hans asked him if he could rip him off ! lol And the cue "Hummel / SEALs" sounds a lot like JNH...
Kent Öberg
2018-10-30 12:53:53
Hybrid, why did you change some of the titles?
Hybrid Soldier
2018-10-30 13:00:36
Yes, with the actual cuesheet cue titles... :)
Except for "The Last Chip", couldn't find that one...
Mr Tweedy
2018-10-30 13:13:54
HGW told me, back in 2006 during a chat, that Nick and Hans spent most of their time writing cues together for The Rock, while he wrote a lot of action cues from the middle of the movie. He also remembered working on a "San Francisco Chase" with Don Harper. The official credits found here by Hybrid confirms all this!
I still wonder if the rumors about James Newton Howard 'helping out' on the score are true? If it's true then this would be the first Newton Howard/Zimmer collaboration. Not the Nolan Batman films :)
James Callahan
2018-01-03 23:17:11
The rumors are true. I read this in some 1997 post of somewhere on the internet that I do not remember now.
Bayhem
2018-01-03 23:30:25
Wow, that is great. What a crew then!
lol
2018-01-04 13:11:37
Yes if you read it somehwere random on the internet in 1997 then surely it must be true
Hybrid, please tell HZ that this is your favorite score ever, and beg him to play a small little piece from it at the last show in France, as he promised us something special for this show! I'm sure he can be persuaded :-D
There's a new recording session out. How legit/complete is it? Anyone know the source?
ROCK_1M1 Main Titles ROCK_1M2 Hummel Gets the Rockets ROCK_2M3 Stanley Disarms The Bomb ROCK_2M4A Carla Proposes ROCK_2M5 Alcatraz Takeover ROCK_2M6 Hummel's Speech ROCK_3M6A Hummel's Demands ROCK_3M7A Stanley and Carla ROCK_3M8 He Does Exist ROCK_4M9 FBI Arrival ROCK_4M10 Paxton Briefs Mason ROCK_4M11 The Quarter ROCK_4M12 Mason Breaks The Mirror ROCK_5M15 Mason Prepares His Escape ROCK_5M16 San Francisco Chase ROCK_5M17 Stanley Tails Jade ROCK_5M18 Mason Meets Jade ROCK_6M18A Mason's Blueprint ROCK_6M18B The Mission (Insert) ROCK_6M18B The Mission ROCK_6M18C The Furnace ROCK_7M19 Welcome To The Rock (Alt.) ROCK_7M19 Welcome To The Rock ROCK_8M20 Shower Room Massacre ROCK_8M21A Hummel Mourns ROCK_8M21B Bombs Away ROCK_9M22 Into The Morgue ROCK_9M23 Close On The Morgue ROCK_10M24A Tunnel Fight ROCK_10M24B Mason's Walk ROCK_11M25 Thermite Plasma ROCK_11M26A The Final Hour ROCK_11M26B Rocket Away ROCK_12M27 Air Strike Approved ROCK_12M28 Mutiny ROCK_12M29 The Last Rocket ROCK_13M30 Goodspeed and Frye Fight ROCK_13M31A-B Green Smoke ROCK_13M31B Green Smoke (Alt.) ROCK_13M32 Fort Walton ROCK_14M33 End Credits ROCK_A Simple Victory (Demo) ROCK_Guitar Study (Demo) ROCK_In The Dark Place (Demo) ROCK_Main Theme - More Developed And BIG (Demo) ROCK_Main Theme (Unused) ROCK_Mystery To Love Theme To Bell Theme (Demo) ROCK_Pastorale (Demo) ROCK_Portent Theme To Noble Theme (Demo) ROCK_Theme That Builds (Demo) ROCK_Theme That Builds With Groove (Demo) ROCK_The Rock Demos (Demo I, Demo II, Demo III)
T-Mann036
2015-08-06 17:26:10
It's real, it's complete, and it's 100% legit!
Scorefan
2015-08-06 19:51:56
Well it's completely legit and 100% real, but these 2 cues posted here by Hybrid are missing from the sessions:
With these two cues the sessions would be complete.
Magnus Rex
2015-08-07 07:57:29
This is not entirely legitimate. For one, it's partially made from an older fan edit which crossfades some cues. The real sessions have clean openings and endings to each piece. In addition the "demos", as far as I can tell, are almost all fake (or else Hybrid would have surely added them here). They sound nothing like The Rock score. The only real demos are the I, II and III pieces, which come from an old NGS promo.
Hybrid Soldier
2015-08-07 08:28:05
The demos are real.
I never added some for some reason. But trust me they are all legitimate...
Scorefan
2015-08-07 21:01:11
Thanks Hybrid
Angelos
2015-08-08 10:29:10
So, da shit is real dawg.....
Dat question is : when is LLL going to make this an official release? You know, give it a good remastering and make it official....
T-Mann036
2015-08-08 17:04:55
Intrada would be an excellent choice to release The Rock complete film score.
Angelos
2015-08-08 18:08:35
Ya dawg, Intrada would do too...
Anonymous
2015-08-10 20:38:52
Given that a certain someone keeps leaking recording sessions that more often than not end up getting an official release (Wyatt Earp, Jennifer 8, The Ghost and the Darkness, etc.), perhaps a label is going to release this at some point in the future? Who knows; the two occurrences may not be linked at all.
Track #40 - In The Tunnels Alt. 2 - this is on the CD OST somewhere?
Jemima
2015-04-13 18:02:40
Hey.
So where can one buy this?
Also is there an "official" complete version? Cause there are plenty of "completes" out there, all with different track listings, some with SFX, some without
### EDITED ###
Cheers.
Damien, Moderator
2015-04-13 20:44:05
As all score marked "Unofficial Release", you can't.
For the new credits here (sorry in advance for overly anal-ness, Hybrid...). Wherever Zimmer appears, is it because he actually had a hand in those cues or is it just because of his theme?
Mike
2014-05-04 21:00:28
Well, I think we can definitely say he did the Opening, right...?
Mike
2014-05-04 21:02:25
Also, sorry for making two posts in a row, but I guess he also did some of the Fort Walton, Kansas cue, because his name is there, but the main theme isn't in it.
Edmund Meinerts
2014-05-04 21:06:31
I always thought that the only two really Zimmer cues in the score are the opening and Hummel's speech. But come to think of it you must be right about Fort Walton, Kansas. :)
Hybrid Soldier
2014-05-04 21:51:19
No he actually wrote the score... No choice... Rescue...
With Nick of course but Mason's Walk or The Mission are clearly written by Hans himself...
Mike
2014-05-04 22:01:26
That explains SO MUCH. Cues like "The Mission" always screamed that they were 100% Zimmer to me.
Hybrid Soldier
2014-05-04 23:07:43
And Hans actually wrote the Opening Title for the SEAL Attack in the first place... It only became the Opening Title after... lol
Hybrid Soldier
2014-05-05 08:48:02
Has someone any idea what San Francisco Montage might be ?
I know that cue is credited to Russ Landau (yeah... even he worked on that score lol...).
Little HZ comment regarding his involvement on The Rock :
"I ended up writing the main themes, the scene where they all get killed... I think I had a hand in most cues by the end. I can't really remember all that much. Jerry, M. Bay and Nick was just not a good combination. Yes, I seem to remember the Hummel speech, and Harry learned how to write a car chase. Maybe a hundred times :)"
Evenstar
2013-08-10 12:37:35
nice :)
Mike
2013-08-10 18:11:21
Interesting timing. I was wondering about Zimmer's involvement here just a couple days ago. I imagine the album track "Hummel Gets the Rockets" has a lot of Hans in it, and I know his theme is used a lot throughout, but I didn't know he was involved with the cues, really. Thanks for the info.
Sadly, this is NOT complete - only expanded. Some cues are missing.
Peter Jacobs
2012-06-15 05:18:16
Exactly. The cue I notice immediately is the love theme between Goodspeed and his wife. A slower and more romantic version of Fort Walton, Kansas. I believe would be titled "Marriage"
Played as Goodspeed and his wife talk about getting married in San Francisco just after making love.
I'm waiting for the day La La Land or some company picks up this score and decides to release it in complete form. Hans Zimmer, NGS, HGW, and Don Harper all did a fantastic job on this.
Folks, La-La Land has to release a complete edition for this score right here, right now for Christ's sake!!!! One the best action scores ever!!!
H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive plus the eternal task master Jerry "let's torture Harry now" Bruckheimer. The car chase was one of a few that became my responsibility. I thought Nick did a REALLY good job considering the circumstances."
Zimmer: "The main theme is mine, as are a few other bits. It's really hard to tell. I do have a huge influence in there. But I never really wanted to write any of it. It was always supposed to be Nick Glennie-Smith's score."
1 - Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith 2 - Hummel Gets The Rockets - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 3 - Baby Doll* - Harry Gregson-Williams 4 - Rock House Jail - Nick Glennie-Smith 5 - Hummel's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith 6 - The Quarter* - Nick Glennie-Smith 7 - The Chase - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper 8 - Jade - Nick Glennie-Smith 9 - Lift Off - Nick Glennie-Smith 10 - The Furnace - Welcome To The Rock - Don Harper, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 11 - The Shower Scene* - Nick Glennie-Smith 12 - Rodent Problem* - Harry Gregson-Williams 13 - The Morgue* - Harry Gregson-Williams 14 - In The Tunnels - Harry Gregson-Williams 15 - Off The Track - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 16 - Mason's Walk - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 17 - Deadline - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 18 - First Launch - Harry Gregson-Williams 19 - Aftermath* - Nick Glennie-Smith 20 - Mutiny - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams 21 - Lighthouse - Harry Gregson-Williams 22 - The Last Chip - Harry Gregson-Williams 23 - Green Smoke - Nick Glennie-Smith 24 - Safe* - Nick Glennie-Smith 25 - Fort Walton Kansas - Nick Glennie-Smith
@Anon: Recording sessions are not necessarily complete. For example, the Blade recording sessions by Mark Isham are not complete, but are still labelled as such as they contain alternate and unused cues. The alternates and film mixes on this disc have NOT been released before and are NOT on any other version. The name of "recording sessions" is therefore more fitting, to differentiate it from the "expanded" versions out there.
The Rock is a rather good movie, but an awesome soundtrack
thx for ur piece of great music I'm a kinda reserved man... I always keep what I feel deep inside not lettin' anyone guess what I really feel, but when I listened to some of these tracks it even drived a tear out of me.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST FILM I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE, SO AWSOME WITH NICOLAS CAGE AND SEAN CONNERY TOGETHER IS AWSOME AND I LOVED (u cannot imagine how) THE MUSIC, IT'S ... AWSOME(i wish to make bigger letters but i cant)
Hans Zimmer OWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i like call of duty modern warfare 2 music too but not as much as THE ROCK.
The Tracklist below is a fanmade expanded score, the "recording session" label is wrong. Its the expanded version added with the tracks from NGS "The Rock Ideas" Bootleg. Fact: A "real" complete is still not available.
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