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Not as simply as that.... Training is Ramin's arrangement of a Hans theme, and the core of Mr. Charles when the Fischer theme isn't playing is a Hans idea, too, as far as I know. Take the Zimmer out and those moments wouldn't be the same.I think Balfe working with Nolan would have done a great jobBob,The Training is basically Ramin Djawadi and Mr.Charles is BalfeI hope these two team up again. Zimmer's score is the main driving force for some memorable scenes. Just a few<br>Batman Begins-The Training<br>TDK- Joker crash the party, Gordon's speech and ending<br>Inception - Time, Mr.Charles, <br>TKDR - the climb, imagine the fire and orphan<br>Interstellar-Stay, Docking, coward, mountain<br>Dunkirk - well the entire movieJustin Hurwitz I can see. I enjoyed La La Land and First Man. But Both Hurwitz and Göransson are several notches above Lorne Balfe. <br><br>I think 80/100 directors would rather work with Göransson than Balfe.
I really believe that Nolan has made a mistake as a composer.I think Lorne Balfe, David Julyan or Justin Hurwitz would be much better options than Ludwig Goransson.Interesting news. <br><br>Geoff Zanelli is one of those composers who I’ve loved his additional music over his solo efforts, Pirates 5 excluded. I hope he gets a chance to write some great fantasy music for this, regardless if he reuses JNH’s themes or not.I think I am the only one, who would be glad about David Julyan return.<br><br>I really like his music for early Nolan's films, especially Insomnia, and it's what i can call an "atmospheric experience".<br><br>Don't know how his music fits for espionage timetraveling movie, but, for me, i'st would be something interesting to hear.@mpolonest123: those Pemberton scores are indeed pure gold, very cool on album but insanely good in the movie. My favorite is still his King Arthur, that was a beast of a score that stuck with the movie like glue and really enhanced Guy Ritchie's dark, twisted, trippy vision.*3 things
Sure, but there's two things to consider. <br>1). Pirates has such an iconic sound that it'd be really stupid for them to suddenly abandon it at #5. Especially when we hired the guy who has worked on the previous 4. 2). Maleficent, as successful as it was to warrant a sequel, isn't quite as well known in the score department, despite being well received by those who have heard it. 3). Because Zanelli worked on all Pirates, he had enough familiarity with the sounds and motifs that he knew where to go once he led the ship. In Maleficent's case, he's taking over from a previous composer, and is working with a director who likely only knows his work on POTC5. As such, there's no knowing yet if he might be compelled to continue on from JNH, or if it's decided he just does his own thing.<br><br>I'm happy that Geoff at the very least has a safe career at Disney, considering two of their recent live action successes has had him involved. However, considering I hear his recently work hasn't been his best, JNH likely would've benefited from returning to a world that had some of his best material after he wasn't given the opportunity to do so with Glass. As such, it really is a severely missed opportunity, even if newer blood is getting more opportunities.Just listening to this again. It really is a best of both score. What I think is so great, is that you can hear both of the brothers' own voice but they blend so well together!! Really really great score!<br><br>It's a really remarkable score, the swifts in tone between dramatic and jazz is top-notch. It's higher on favorite list from 2019 already, than I thought it would ever be.<br><br>Give me more Gregson-Williams brothers scores!!!!!!I was hoping for JNH, but we'll see what he does. JNH's themes were amazing zo it would be stupod not to use them. But he used the Pirates themes, so I'm feeling actually quite ok about itTrue, but he didn’t really get credit for The Lone Ranger or any of the Pirates films other than #5... those are billed strictly as HZ scores. I would say Christopher Robin likely was a result of the success of his Pirates score, and Timothy Green wasn’t really a Disney tentpole release. Maleficent isn’t a Marvel or Star Wars level tentpole, but it is still a blockbuster film that I think he’ll do an awesome job with.@Mephariel - you’re right. However Interstellar and Inception, musically speaking, are simple scores. They are moving, beautiful, and masterpieces, but still simple. Which is great! <br><br>But if we are wanting Zimmer to return to a type of music, I’d much rather prefer something along the lines of Pirates, The Rock, The Last Samurai, Crimson Tide, etc. Tonally, of course it would be more modern and new, but melodically a return to those forms would be a dream come true.
Geoff has done several other Disney projects besides Pirates 5.  (All Pirates movies since the first, Lone Ranger, Christopher Robin, Odd Life of Timothy Green). And I have to say that I would rather JNH return for the sequel, as that would allow him to expand on his fantastic score for the first film.@George<br><br>To be fair, Interstellar is a genuine masterpiece score and maybe one my favorite score of all time, but I am not sure when Nolan will allow Zimmer to return to that type of scoring. <br><br>Hell, Time is my favorite cue ever, but again, I am not sure if Nolan is interested in that kind of music anymore.  <br><br>I guess we will see with Tenet. And yes, I absolutely think Göransson can be a future star in the making and if anyone is allow write his or her own "Time" cultural moment, it may as well be him.@mephariel @mpolonest123 - glad I’m not the only one who’s more excited for those compared to cold and dark Nolan/Zimmer scores. I’m kinda over those to be honest.And if I’m completely honest, I’m more excited by WW84, Spongebob, Top Gun, and Dark Phoenix than another potential Nolan collab.@mephariel <br>I can definitely see that, especially with King Arthur and Spiderverse. I do think his music adds a lot to the films he scores (Steve Jobs and Man From Uncle being two great examples) where he consistently switches up styles and tones to keep things fresh. Maybe not the strongest theme writer but I do love his approaches.
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Klaus BadeltGeoff ZanelliRamin DjawadiJim Dooley
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The Time Machine (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 71'01
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  1. Main Titles (3:24)
  2. Wish Me Luck (1:20)
  3. Marry Me (1:10)
  4. Emma Dies #1 (1:31)
  5. In A Week (3:09)
  6. Bleeker Street (2:26)
  7. Emma Dies #2 (0:56)
  8. Moon Sign (1:06)
  9. I Don't Belong Here (3:56)
  10. In The Year 2030 (1:02)
  11. Time Travel - Asteroid (2:11)
  12. Where Am I (0:38)
  13. Are The Friendly (3:33)
  14. Goodnight (4:37)
  15. Stones & River - Village (4:52)
  16. Morlocks Attack (7:04)
  17. Where The Ghosts Are (1:43)
  18. Morlock World (6:27)
  19. The Master (5:42)
  20. Time Machine Returns - Fight (4:08)
  21. Alex Reconsiders (1:29)
  22. The Escape (3:24)
  23. Freedom - Godspeed (5:17)
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Scorefan reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-03 18:14:58
Listening again the score, it's simply beautiful and amazing. What a waste of talent, really, Klaus had all the talent to make a prolific career

ThePhantasm reply Replies: 29 || 2018-02-18 05:00:01
So Johan johannson (R.I.P) was actually going to be the composer for Christopher Robin instead of the previously announced Klaus Badelt, where does that leave Klaus? Its honestly heartbreaking that the guy can't get a damn good project he is so talented and deserves a chance. He's proved himself with The Promise, pirates, time machine, solomon kane etc. How is it that henry jack and lorne balfe both of which I'm a fan of can get projects no problem but Klaus can't??

Maybe he needs a better agent.


Anonymous2018-02-18 09:27:44
Or. Maybe he's just choosey with his projects like Powell is.


gringo2018-02-18 10:13:40
@ThePhantasm: It breaks my heart aswell. He was the heart in Zimmers most beautiful era and would have wished to see him making his own great carreer. I've never understood the hype for Lorne etc. For me Badelt >> Lorne,Junkie,etc


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-18 10:14:13
I don't think so...remember those years when he did all sorts of random low-budget French comedies and thrillers? Didn't seem too choosy to me.

This is pure idle speculation, mind you, but I wonder if Klaus might not have burned some bridges here and there...his departure from the MV/RC/Hans inner circle seemed awfully abrupt.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 10:30:34
There's a lot more to the Klaus story I can't really disclose here...


Bob Belcher2018-02-18 10:50:00
because it would put a bad light to zimmer? are his hands involved in this that badelt isn't getting any big movies at all?


rockhound2018-02-18 11:10:27
klaus said in an interview last year, that he was looking to do some french movies, because he saw one on a flight to paris and was amazed by that movie and also because he loves paris and has a couple of friends there. he contacted people there to get in the french film business. he likes the way the people work there in the business. more freedom for him. in the interview he doesn't sound like he had to do these movies, because otherwiese he wouldn't get work. he really wanted to do these movies.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:22:30
On Hans ? No. On Klaus...


I'll say one thing : waste of talent... I loved Klaus' music and his amazing scores while he was in RCP, but he didn't need the help of anyone to destroy his own career... Too bad...


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:24:10
In fact, he's not even a composer anymore, he has his own company which deals with movie broadcasting worldwide... He does a score here & there but it never was his vocation... He just happened to be ridiculously talented (and Hans will confirm this to anyone even to this day).


Bob Belcher2018-02-18 11:35:08
Thanks Hybrid for those informations. I always had some fear Hans had his fingers in his departure from rcp and making his career-life as hard as it can get. It's too bad to see he doesn't appreciate the gift it was given to him. That talent was beyond, and the collaboration between Hans and Klaus was magical. I so would have wished it would never have stopped. And by reading your comments, Hans seems to think that aswell :(


...2018-02-18 11:36:33
and what about Trevor Rabin? He is amazing composer as well, sadly we don´t hear about him anymore


rockhound2018-02-18 11:43:31
trevor rabin is taking a break from composing filmmusic and was on tour the last 2 years with jon anderson and rick wakeman from YES. they created a new band called ARW. at the moment they are working on new songs.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:56:42
Yeah I agree, the problem with Trevor is that he never adapted to his environment, so to speak... He never changed his style, always the same kind of writing (big amazing theme + big action + guitars) and slowly lost the interest of everyone...

Key is being able to renew yourself (for better or for worse). But I miss his themes cause he's an amazing melody writer.

I know he wants to work, he wants to be hired to score, even if he doesn't "need" it really, and yes he has his solo/band career going on as well...

Funny story about Trevor he never really liked being listed on Hans-Zimmer.com as he never was a regular RCP occupant (even if I think having worked with Mancina and then done pretty much 5 scores at RCP, and then having in his team former RCP members, it did justify to me)... But since I'm probably the last one promoting his career on the internet, and having his brother-in-law Steve Kofsky being RCP's boss, I keep him there ! lol


rockhound2018-02-18 12:07:40
im actually very happy, that trevor didn't renew his style like hans for a couple of times. i just wish, he would compose more for orchestra only without guitars and cheap sounding samples. scores like Remember The Titans, The Great Raid and Flyboys prove that he can do it. maybe bruckheimer will hire him someday again. trevor composed amazing scores for him....with help by rcp on a couple of movies. ;)


mpolonest123 2018-02-18 12:30:28
Lol, maybe Trevor can return for Deep Blue Sea 2! Not that THAT would help his career much....



MrZimmerFan2018-02-18 12:43:25
Rabin himself has never considered to be a Zimmer-guy.


ThePhantasm2018-02-18 15:29:28
Damn so he ruined his own career? i hope he gets a second shot. Would to see what he can do with a superhero movie. I know he'd kill it if given the chance. Hopefully disney will let him score Christopher Robin. Here's hoping!


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-18 15:36:32
Well, there's always Catwoman...


ThePhantasm 2018-02-18 16:29:28
Hey man, that was a really good score okay lol but i mean like a good superhero movie like a marvel or DC


Dudu2018-02-18 22:20:35
@Hybrid,
Speaking of klaus, do you know how the other rcp members feel about him? Do they still keep in touch or is he persona non grata?
I know that geoff zanelli is completely pissed (check his website, for all the projects he names his colleagues like steve jablonsky or else, and then for the klaus projects he just puts « the composer »), and you told that hans avoids him as much as he can ( which I can see when the pirates topic is brought during interviews post 2006...no mention of klaus)
Hell even michael levine in his post about « why hans gets the job » name-dropped EVERYONE at rcp but klaus
So i was wondering how people act towards jim nowadays, especially ramin djawadi who is really popular now and started as his assistant!


Olive2018-02-19 02:43:12
From the way you talk it even seems like the man turned into a criminal. lol


rockhound2018-02-19 09:37:03
when i take a look on IMDB, klaus is still busy with filmmusic. just because he doesn't score hollywood blockbusters anymore and is not busy as lorne balfe, doesn't mean that he destroyed his career.


ok2018-02-19 12:09:01
he is doing Christopher Robin (2018, its disney
that is a big movie is it not


Balfe2018-02-19 13:32:17
Well, Klaus did compose a lot of the essential music from 1997 to 2005. As we know, Hans says - Hans does. Why do we trust this 'Hybrid Soldier', who calls them themselves that anyway? Tell us more mr rcp. How are you top of the line when you are French. Who is Hybrid - must be a reject from HZ line....



Olive2018-02-19 13:33:48
Johánnsson was hired for Christopher Robin little time before his death. Now will be another composer.


Olive2018-02-19 13:33:48
Johánnsson was hired for Christopher Robin little time before his death. Now will be another composer.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-19 13:35:40
Then explain to me why his career went downhill after he left Remote in 2006 ?


rockhound2018-02-19 15:04:31
hybrid, what do you mean with downhill? to compose music for smaller movies doesn't mean you don't earn money or your career is ruined. i really don't see the problem with his career.


ThePhantasm2018-02-19 21:54:51
Well john powell left RCP as well and he still has a great career, i think Klaus just has a shitty agent, it makes me so angry cause he's so talented and I want to hear more from him but he doesn't get great movies. Or even big summer movies, I don't know about his career going downhill though.


Scorefan2018-02-20 00:21:23
And who's the agent of Klaus?

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-16 23:14:42
Ok, I love this piece of music, but I don't think it's part of the score album. I can't find it anywhere! It's the music during the "So I'm not just a wandering idiot?" scene. 50 minutes or so into the movie. It's such a nice, sweet melody. Beautiful stuff. Any help would be appreciated, folks.

Aggelos reply Replies: 1 || 2014-06-19 15:02:59
There seems to be some Final mixes on Badelt's newly updated webpage.

klausbadelt.com/


Per2014-06-19 16:17:01
It's the same material as on the old 'expanded' version listed on this very page, and nothing more than that it seems...

Yes, there's more tracks, but it seems to be just repeated tracks. But I'll be glad to stand corrected if any are indeed different.

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-24 00:00:00
Yes, that is correct, track '11 - Time Travel - Asteroid' listed here is actually Eloi, and yes, it's also different than the one on the soundtrak. It uses the same, or similar, "choir-words" (if that makes any sense) as in 'Godspeed'.

Also, track '14 - Goodnight' is actually 'Time Travel', and should be placed (to place it in a chronlogical order) after track 10. (And so track 11-12-13 would be 12-13-14, respectively)

Some other differences in this other than Eloi, is 'Where The Ghosts Are', which is a slightly different mix with less/no choir (compared to the one on the soundtrack) (the one with less choir is the mix in the film).
And the flute thingy, which can be heard from ca. 4:55 - 5:32 on track 14 on the soundtrack, is not on this version. But if that piece is just a different piece/cue added to that place on the soundtrack, or if it's a revised version of the cue (track '21 - Alex Reconsiders') I don't know.
And of course the Good Night cue (track '13 - Are They Friendly' on this version), is different.

But even though you have two different versions of the 'Good Night' on the soundtrack and this version, none of these are the one in the film, "of course"... But beyond the 'film version' of that cue, there's not much more missing (as heard in the film anyway), other than a short piece (after 'Good Night' and before 'Stone Language' in the film), which I believe to be the same as the last half minute or so of 'Stone Language', only without the percussion !

D reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-06 00:00:00
Is Time Travel - Asteroid meant to be Eloi (from the retail soundtrack)? The vocal sounds a bit different?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-05-11 00:00:00
@ The_Dimensionalist

It's a bootleg. You're not gonna find it in a store.

The_Dimensionalist reply Replies: 0 || 2010-05-11 00:00:00
What is this? Where is its release date? How are there tracks with times, if this soundtrack does not exist? Can someone explain what is going on?

Slither reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-04 00:00:00
Quite liked this score but I think the promise is without a dought Badelts best score to date, he was really inspired during his stay in China that he really came out of the experience with a score which tops even Zimmers latest offerings. I cant wait to see a complete release of the promise score, because i have seen the film and there are a lot of great cues missing from the album, one in which features in the trailer.

hans-batman-zimmer reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-01 00:00:00
Zimmer's sound had a lot effect on POTC1.
So I think this is the best.

(From Japan)

Xxxxxxx Xxxx reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-30 00:00:00
Im not sure I would agree... POTC1 was alot catchier.... but that's my opinion.

hans-batman-zimmer reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-27 00:00:00
This is the Badelt's best.

(From Japan)

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