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I guess it's only fair that they do shoulder the blame, considering again that releases like these aren't really the norm for them. I still wouldn't expect a recall and replacement, since it'd be a lot of money down the drain there. Their loss ultimately at the end of the day.<br><br>A bit disappointed about the content being the exact same as the leak, as I would've liked some of the film edits or at least the alt mixes I've seen pop up. I guess I'll just have to hope Disney does end up cooperating with LLL sooner than later.You gotta realize one thing, most of the time, Hans doesn't even know about these releases (and honestly I think he doesn't care). Only a few labels like LLL play ball and have him involved (but as Hans doesn't own most of his music, they have no other reason than courtesy to do so).<br><br>As for MI2, people who complained about the "content" instead of the tech aspect of it were goddamn wrong. Yes, the film mixes / OST mixes are pretty different. Because you have suites & sometimes material specifically arranged for the album or alternate cues.<br><br>Mondo having released the final mixes (and I know what Paramount provided them, it's just exactly the same 2 CD set copy that leaked years ago), I have no problem if the content is different.<br><br>And that's the topic on which they answered, James. Technically, they're not wrong, but they are ditching the REAL problem, for which they are responsible for ! The speed issue is on them, not on what they got.Considering the recent issues with the isolated score on Days of Thunder's 4K release sounding very inconsistent, I do wonder if Paramount has simply been poor in preserving stuff. Especially when they mention the studio and not the record label, which might've had a better copy on hand (they did finally put the OST on digital recently, after all).<br><br>I am not going to hold Mondo responsible for this, especially considering they normally do just press the regular OSTs onto LPs. I don't expect them to be fully privy to if a score sounds fine or not, since they're often just given the stuff prepared for them. Besides, repressing records would be a super expensive ordeal, especially with how limited they're often designed to be now.<br><br>And honestly: since no one has made the comparison to Sherlock 2 yet, how bad sounding is it really? I'd much rather it be slightly off than it being complete trash like the Perseverance release of Rain Man was. If HZ was able to let that slide once, then he won't be so worked up over a small tempo issue.So this is what Mondo had to say about their massive screw up. I've never heard something so stupid in my life. If I had a direct line to Hans Zimmerman himself I'd call him about this. I'm sure he would be interested to know they butchered his album. <br><br>"Hi James,<br><br>I talked with the soundtracks department and here's what they had to say:<br><br>We’ve been made aware of a discrepancy between how the audio sounds on our album versus how it was previously released in original releases.<br><br>Our masters came directly from the studio and from original recording sessions, and we did not do any adjustments to the masters in post other than standard vinyl mastering process. But it seems any previous post production on those original releases, and cues used in the film itself, are absent from our release and may account for the differences you notice.<br><br>We currently do not have any plans on remastering the score."<br>Great. Thx.<br><br>Score has much similarities with Sherlock, so there is many of Lorne's cues...
Known credits are Runaway Train for Mazzaro (was on his website), for Andrew K : The Rangers, Cannibal, Dead Rangers & Finish Him (on his Soundcloud). Geoff is the only guy with Ann Marie Simpson that got the privilege of cuesheet credit.
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<br>Battle of Aughrim arrangement (so everything lifted from "Silver") is Hans & Ann Marie.
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<br>Geoff did a good part of the score, every other classical pieces arrangements are his (so, everywhere the William Tell Overture appears). Train Chase, the End Credits, This Is A Robbery.
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<br>The stuff that sounds more or less like Sherlock have definitely Lorne. And I suspect a bit more epic drama have RGW.Hello there!<br>Hybrid, do we have some composer's credits on this score?<br>Or this is situation like on Transformers score?<br><br>Somewhere I read that Geoff Zanelli helped Hans on Train Chase (pts 1&2), Mazzaro did Runaway Train and Kawczynski did like 2 or 3 tracks (the rangers, finish him). Is that correct?<br><br>btw good score, not genius, but pretty good action score.<br><br>Made in Italy<br><br>Beautiful new score by Alex Belcher, check it out!Oh, yes.<br><br>Maybe this month, right?The album is ready. Just waiting for legal to settle it... It'll happen.
And about The Rhythm Section?, Mazzaro said the score is mastered...If there'd only been the first movie prior, I think I'd get it a bit more. But the 2nd film did have a proper score release, so the only reason at this point is that it just isn't on Nick's mind after all the delays.Whoa, why not? Every obscure random shit gets released these days but a Hans Zimmer score to a fairly big mainstream movie doesn't?I doubt there'll be a score release.The Spongebob movie is being released next Friday here in Canada, could we see a release of the album soon? Assuming of course that there will be an album at all /:
I gotta say that short film was spectacular even with I Phone 11, the score by Lorne Balfe fitted very well with the scenes introduced.I'd say that this anthem was pretty great for Zimmer to score a soccer team that has been alive for 25 years.Cheers guys, much appreciated!<br>In my mind I had some video interview though, as I always like watching those as well. I do wonder if there was an extra section on the home release of the movie where ideally there might be.Hans Zimmer is one of the biggest film composers working in the industry today.  He won an Academy Award for his work on The Lion King, and has been nominated for six other films including Gladiator, The Thin Red Line, and As Good As It Gets. With The Last Samurai he celebrates his 100th film score, and SoundtrackNet had an opportunity to talk with Hans a few weeks ago during a rare break in his busy schedule working on Something's Gotta Give.<br><br>You've scored many projects during your career, and The Last Samurai is being touted as your 100th film score…<br><br>Well, I'm terrible with math, so I'm not doing the counting. It could be more, it could be less – but apparently it's the 100th.<br><br>So how did you get involved with the project?<br><br>If you're lucky enough to get nominated for an Oscar, you get invited to the Oscar nominee's luncheon where they hand out these little nomination certificates. There are usually 150 people standing there, and people are invited up in alphabetical order, starting with the As. By the time they get to the Cs, everybody's already back at their table chatting and eating, and while the first people called get thunderous applause, you can imagine what it's like when your name starts with Z!<br><br>So Ed Zwick and I were standing there, waiting at one of these luncheons about four years ago, and we started talking to each other. I asked him what he was working on and he told me about this movie called The Last Samurai, which I thought sounded interesting and I asked him to send me a script. After the script arrived, I didn't hear from him for a long time and I thought he'd forgotten about me, not thinking about how difficult it is to set up a samurai movie these days. The other thing I liked about the project was that Tom Cruise was involved, so it was like returning home, since I've scored a bunch of his movies – I knew we were going to have a good time.<br><br>Did it end up that way?<br><br>Ed and his editor Steve Rosenblum are such gentlemen, so together and professional, and they basically did one cut of the film, screened it, and everyone loved their work. So after this, they had plenty of time to come and hang with me, and while I usually love the re-cutting process because it's a diversionary tactic to keep the director and editor out of my life, these guys were great to have around. <br><br>Of course, my sense of paranoia made me think that something was going wrong all the time, waiting for the other shoe to drop, as it were, but it never happened. Ed phoned this morning and I thought, "Oh my god – rewrite!" It's just how my brain works. But I think he and I feel a bit odd now: we've been seeing each other every day for months, and suddenly we're done. I completely understand why people have a problem finishing a movie, because there's something really nice about the process – completion is far more boring.<br><br>For Samurai, you used Japanese percussions and ethnic woodwinds, without getting too 'Japanese'.<br><br>My problem is that I feel Japanese music is really inaccessible to Western ears, and I was really struggling with this film initially, trying to figure out what I was doing. This idea popped into my head for using Western-style themes, but applying a Japanese aesthetic to them, which sounds great of course, until I had to ask myself what I meant! Actually, I think it's just my way of not overloading certain things with too many colors, or being geometrically precise about my cues and not making them too flowery.<br><br>The Tom Cruise character is one of those nasty drunks at the beginning, who obviously has some serious problems he's trying to deal with, or not deal with. He's obnoxious and restless, suffering sleepless nights and is very un-Tom. For me, this character's journey was about his need to earn tranquility and peace, so within the score there's this very romantic, overblown and passionate theme. It's like a juvenile way of dealing with life and death – the pain and liebestod.<br><br>However, to contrast with these very relentless themes, there are a number of stark, formal and sober pieces, because I wanted to take Tom's character on a journey. He comes from America and ends up in this foreign place where he doesn't speak the language or understand the culture. But at the end of the movie, I want the audience to think that there isn't a more beautiful place for him to be, that he is at home in Japan and finally at peace.<br><br>There are many useless acts of bravery we do out of misguided romanticism, and this movie is full of courageous and dignified acts of bravery. So I wanted to play off these acts, since both the American and Japanese cultures have a concept of heroism, and I just wanted to see if I could play with the nature of the two different concepts.<br><br>So you didn't want to do the stereotypical Japanese thing...<br><br>Absolutely not! Take Akira Kurosawa's Ran, for example, which has this brilliant score where Takemitsu writes Western music, but with an Eastern accent. Somebody asked me a few days ago why As Good As It Gets was European – why did I write a European score for a quintessentially American story? For me, it's because Jack Nicholson was crazy in the movie, and I felt one of the great things about America is how they always think we Europeans are crazy. So by writing a European-styled score, it's my way of saying that Jack is crazy, but it's alright!<br><br>How do you feel about people who criticize your work for not fitting into the time period, like Gladiator?<br><br>The reason I take these jobs is because I'm interested in foreign cultures, and every time I get to work on a movie I'm thrown into the adventure of whatever that culture is, the time, and wherever the story's taking place. So one of the things I'm very careful about is not to be historically correct to the culture, but, on the other hand, not to insult the underlying aesthetics of that culture either. I remember watching Chariots of Fire and thinking how brilliantly the music worked, never missing that it wasn't period instruments! I grew up listening to Bach played by a symphony orchestra – it's the wrong sized orchestra with the wrong instruments, but I don't think that's the point.<br><br>With Gladiator, Pietro Scalia brought in a CD saying "this is Ancient Roman music," and I said, "Says who? You went to the Ancient Roman music store and bought an Ancient Roman music CD? Bullshit!" We're not anthropologists. Look at he costumes Ridley Scott had: they were more Napoleonic than Roman, which was perhaps fitting since Napoleon had stolen all of his good ideas from the Romans regarding how to make his generals look cool – and so did Hitler! So I got criticized for making the "Entry into Rome" cue too Leni Riefenstahl – but that was the joke! I am allowed to have a sense of humor in my music!<br><br>Earlier this summer your credit on Pirates of the Caribbean was "Score Overproduced by". What was the deal with that?<br><br>Well, I thought honesty was a virtue! But seriously, Jerry Bruckheimer quite rightly asked me not to give him "that old-fashioned Pirate music," and Gore Verbinski, who I adore and did The Ring with, said, "Well, it is a pirate movie, so we have to disguise it." In the end, I spent a day and a half writing tunes, Klaus Badelt wrote a lot of stuff, and we rolled up our sleeves, got drunk, behaved in a debauched way, and produced a score!<br><br>There was a lot of criticism regarding that score, but in the end it had to serve the film - which it did. You seem to get a lot of criticism on any project you do.<br><br>I had the misfortune of going onto the Film Score Monthly web site recently to look something up and vanity made me type in my own name. I suddenly realized that you can't ever get it right. Who do people want me to be? The guy that writes Matchstick Men? Or the guy that writes The Rock? Or the guy that writes Driving Miss Daisy? My need is ultimately to write for myself. I mock myself and I'm ironic about the way I speak about it because if I take it too seriously, it would be a pompous and boring thing to do. But at the same time I take each note I write very seriously – none of them are random.<br><br>The Internet Movie Database always lists you as being attached to multiple projects, so I was curious, what's Sharktail?<br><br>I complained to Jeffrey Katzenberg that I couldn't cross any more Red Seas, or deal with any more horses that can't speak – I wanted to do one of the fun animated movies instead. There's also a hip-hop element in Sharktail, and I haven't been there yet, so it's new territory! King Arthur is still in production, and I literally just got the first bits of footage just before you came here.<br><br>Are you working on all of these projects simultaneously?<br><br>I'm thinking about them! I'm also working with Jim Brooks on his new comedy, Spanglish.<br><br>And speaking of comedies, you recently did Matchstick Men for Ridley, which had a very Nino Rota vibe to it....<br><br>And I gave him credit! I thought, what if Nino had written the theme and I was just doing the variations? But I bet I'm going to get criticized for that because it's not like Gladiator.<br><br>So when did you last have a vacation?<br><br>Well, I went to Japan for a couple of days at the end of November for the Japanese premiere of Samurai, but look, I love what I do! In January I'll travel to Morocco because Ridley will be shooting his next movie, Kingdom of Heaven, so that's like a holiday!<br><br>My family and I are going away at Christmas, and what we used to do would be to rent a house in the mountains and go on these skiing holidays. It would be a crappy house, not as nice as the one we live in, my wife was still going to the market, and we're still washing our plates – so it wasn't a vacation, it was a lot of work! It's taken us a long time, but we just figured it out: we're not practical with vacations – we're staying at hotels! But while the Zimmer family isn't talented when it comes to vacations, we're talented when it comes to work!<br><br>I sat through Samurai the other day, and for the first time watched the whole movie from top to tail with everything finished and completed. It felt really good, better than a vacation. But luckily there were enough things wrong for me to think that I learned something from the experience, and now I can't wait for the next project to try these new ideas out.<br><br>The soundtrack to The Last Samurai is available from Elektra Records, and the film is currently in theaters. Matchstick Men is available on Varese Sarabande Records.<br><br>With thanks to Chet Mehta at Chasen & Co, Jason Cienkus at Warner Brothers, and Nina Lynch and Mark Wherry at Media Ventures for helping with this interview. And, of course, special thanks to Hans.Mulan get his release... through Disney+, 4th September.
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The Dark Knight
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  1. Why So Serious? (9:14)
  2. I'm Not A Hero (6:34)
  3. Harvey Two-Face (6:16)
  4. Aggressive Expansion (4:35)
  5. Always A Catch (1:39)
  6. Blood On My Hands (2:16)
  7. A Little Push (2:42)
  8. Like A Dog Chasing Cars (5:02)
  9. I Am The Batman (1:59)
  10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad (2:28)
  11. Agent Of Chaos (6:55)
  12. Introduce A Little Anarchy (3:42)
  13. Watch The World Burn (3:47)
  14. A Dark Knight (16:15)
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John G. reply Replies: 5 || 2019-10-07 12:23:52
So, what does everyone think of Joker (2019)? Is Hans Zimmer’s Joker Theme still the top Joker theme?


Jean-Luc2019-10-07 15:04:21
Joker with my new theme called call me joker is my favorite score because it's very dark and disturbing. Also, I like that movie, I gave 10/10 Stars. Joaquin Phoenix's Performance in the joker is outstanding, and Todd Phillips is a cinematic genius! But, I'm really enjoying with Hans Zimmer with Joker's theme and Hildur Gu&#240;nadóttir's new joker theme are good too.


Ds2019-10-07 23:33:06
Jean-Luc, are you Jack Afrogarix?? :-o


soldierofrome2019-10-08 21:23:47
i dont like Hildur music in the Joker btw. Full dramatic cello's. But that's normal. Maybe i shouldn't think so because nobody's as smart as Hans Zimmer. Hans joker theme is always legend and legends never die.


Nick2019-10-09 15:14:11
(Basing it off the most popular cue of that OST, Call Me Joker) It's functional enough. I'm almost certain both Philips and Guonadottir settled on a dense, atmospheric musical tone to complement the cynicism of the movie. It kind of reminds me of a dark version of The Revenant's main theme at times, which can be both a good and a bad thing.

I do agree though that Zimmer's Joker theme, technically simplistic as it is, still stands out the most and screams "The Joker" more readily than Guonadottir's.


mpolonest123 2019-10-10 02:34:42
They are two vastly different interpretations of the same character, I really like Hildur’s more “tragic” approach. Zimmer’s fits Heath Ledger like a glove, scary and deranged with an intelligent aspect.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-25 04:19:54
I gotta take a minute and use this score to demonstrate why hans-zimmer.com is a great resource for fans of Hans and Remote Control.

(TL DR: Never trust interviews for score information, or to know who wrote what, because misinformation continues for years.)

There's an article over at Polygon about the tenth anniversay of TDK, and it talks — rightly — about how James Newton Howard is underappreciated in this score. I agree with that. Without the Harvey Dent stuff and the more emotive music reprised from Begins, this score would definitely lack something. TDKR did lack something, IMO, because Howard was gone.

Here's the thing, though... Hybrid has been totally right over the years when he says never to trust interviews. The writer of the article I mentioned pulled from a bunch of old interviews and makes it sound like...

1) Hans and James co-wrote TDK just like they co-wrote Begins, but wrote the Joker and Harvey themes separately. Pretty sure that's inaccurate, based on this score's credits and what's been said about Hans and James being in different places.
2) The article pulls from an old Batman Begins interview — which has been referenced on Wikipedia for years — and says how Batman's theme is used at the end of Begins because Batman had to earn his theme. But I'm pretty sure they abandoned whatever initial idea that was in the final product. Batman's theme in Begins is the two notes...His theme at the end is the two notes. It's all throughout the movie. There's nothing at the end that's new. It sounds like Hans in the original interview was talking about the "Dark Knight" theme, which got used at the end of TDK. but there's been this internet story for years about Batman getting some new theme at the end of Begins, because the interview confused people.

And ditto for tons of other scores and interviews. People still think Klaus Badelt did POTC. Or Junkie XL wrote Batman's theme. Or Hans wrote the majority of Modern Warfare 2. This site is awesome because it helps clear the air on this stuff.

Boromir reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-11 14:36:35
You can hear a LOT of Zim's Hannibal score in this. Maybe because DR Lecter and the Joker have much in common. Feeding someone pieces of his own brain sounds like something the Joker might do. And immolating someone on top of a giant pile of money sounds like something Hannibal might do. Those two ought to get together for a few games of racquetball.&#65279;

Zimson reply Replies: 0 || 2015-10-26 08:36:59
Awesome performance of Lasiurus and Like A Dog Chasing Cars (+ The Hanging Tree).
youtube.com /watch?v=1b9s52eRZ18

ei18 reply Replies: 0 || 2015-10-18 03:07:23
I was just listening to the song Origins by Brian Tyler from Thor 2. Has anyone else noticed that it sounds almost exactly like The Dark Knight Score? I believe around the 2:30 mark

Tom reply Replies: 7 || 2015-06-13 09:17:33
Hans Zimmer said that this style of music has been copied over the last few years and so it was time for something new - Interstellar. Anyway, can some of you call any movie score where you can hear these similarities or where even his music style has been copied? Thank you!


Anonymous2015-06-13 16:28:00
You for real? You know how many composers copied Inception?


Anonymous2015-06-13 17:16:51
All of them. Literally every single one.


Joshua2015-06-13 20:02:12
Oblivion
Tron Legacy
Elysium
District9
Transformers 1,2,3
Unstoppable
Captain Phillips
Dracula (tv show)
X-Men Days of Future Past
and countless advertising and trailer cues
just to name a few...


Anonymous2015-06-13 21:04:47
Yeah, uhh....that list is not 100% accurate

District 9, Transformers 1 & 2, and TRON: Legacy (somewhat) all predate Inception. TRON I say somewhat because Daft Punk had been working on the score for how many years before the film opened, 3? I mean the first trailer (released in March 2010, 4 months before Inception) even contained music from the film.


Joshua2015-06-13 21:52:12
What forum are we on right now? Inception? No, Dark Knight. I included it with Inception here and the Transformer scores are 100% dark knight rip offs. The main theme to district 9 is also dark knight heavy. And even though daft punks music was in the trailer for tron, inceptions score was already done at that point. Tron was released 5 months after inception, coincidence? I think not. Joseph Trapanese orchestrated tron and just like oblivion he took those themes and inception'd and dark knight'd the hell outta them. Hell Zimmer is even listed as a music consultant on the tron forum on this site.


Tom2015-06-13 21:55:19
Thank you guys! I also thought of Transformers, Obliviion and TRON. These movies sound very like Zimmer. I will give the other ones a listen. Are there further recommendations?
Btw. who was first, the trailer music for Inception 'Mind Heist' or Steve Jablonsky with 'It's Our Fight' from Transformers 3?


bro2015-06-14 00:15:39
Mind Heist

Lord Eddard Stark reply Replies: 0 || 2014-09-11 13:30:14
I'm Not a Hero ... it's amazing how, using only score in the sound of a mantle that flutters in the wind, HZ has managed to encapsulate the essence of Batman ... heroic song and triumphant, despite the title.

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2013-10-07 18:03:10
Hybrid, at the 0:46 mark in the track "Always a Catch", there's a cue totally unused in the movie. I don't believe it's on the complete score either. Was in gonna be used, or did Zimmer just include it to flesh out the track?


//////2013-10-08 00:38:38
It's 3m24 v7 in Batman Begins. I could swear it's used in TDK


Mike2013-10-08 01:18:55
I've seen this movie countless times and don't remember hearing that particular cue in any of it. Where do you think you heard it, //////? Because I could be wrong.


//////2013-10-08 02:39:33
I could be wrong as well, but like I said - I could swear I've heard it in the film. And I JUST watched TDK 2 days ago after receiving TDK Trilogy UCE in the mail. I too have seen the film countless times. And I'm picturing a million scenes in which it could be heard, but I got nothing. It's gonna bug the shit out of me until I figure it out


Another dude 2013-10-08 16:12:10
Its An unused cue. Check out the complete score and its named "Dirty Cash". The dude with the ////// its right is used in batman begins when bruce met fox for the first time. But they only use the first part of that cue


Mike2013-10-08 16:18:37
Wow, you know what? You're right. It is indeed "Dirty Cash". For some reason I thought that cue was something different. Guess there's anonymous' answer.. It was a JNH cue, I see. I guess it would have been used right after the "Buyer Beware" scene? Wonder why they removed/didn't use it.


Another dude2013-10-09 04:40:51
Yeah, I guess it was suppose to be in the scene where gordon and batman met to talk about the "dirty cash" after joker's robbery


Another dude 2013-10-09 04:45:27
Same with "Halfway to Hong Kong" in the complete score, its unused. It was supposed to be the scene when harvey, gordon and batman reunited.
I dont if that last thing was writed right

matthew reply Replies: 5 || 2013-08-19 01:10:22
the fact that the pencil trick in the movie, released a big laugh in the cinema, deeply disturbed me. you can argue with this thing endlessly but personally I think that in this movie the joker is not funny in any possible way. I am familiar with the notion of morbid jokes, I know Mr Tarantino. I mean that's point of the movie and that's point of this character. that's why it was so unusual as a summer blocbuster. that's the point of the Chris Nolan machine. he really pushed the music. even the sound design is really brutal in this scenes. but in the movie, if you watch it with people, they laugh when the joker comes. his family stories, the pencil trick, the party crash, everything becomes a
big-funny-family-friday-night moment. my mind is simply unable to understand this. and then, 4 years later Mr Holmes comes in and suddenly the hole-wide-world saying that these movies should be burned in hell with their directors. I truly hope Nolan comes in with full bore seriousness in Interstellar. like in TDK. I do realize that there are jokes in TDK at some point...


Sher2013-08-19 11:34:26
You know laughing can be considered a defense mechanism...
...just saying...


Mike2013-08-19 14:49:20
No offense intended, but why is this on a page about the film's music?


matthew2013-08-19 19:39:41
usually when you hear a summer action sequel score, you almost hear the stupid jokes flying in the movie. the first minute of why so serious is not funny and basically that's his signature. this is not about the stupid fucking annoying attitude like:
ohh oscar for Zimmer and Howard!! but shit, it's not yust an oscar worthy performance from Ledger, it's simply a world class presentation of a villain. that includes everything in filmmaking terms, so it's also about who did the score and how they manipulated the audience. music is important to Nolan, so it seems no matter how hard you push the score, people will laugh.


MacArthur2013-08-19 19:45:17
I do see your point matt i was kinda upset about that myself. But in terms of what this page is about the film music is good


Ned2013-08-20 02:43:27
Look, Mat go to nolanfans forum page and crap there, this is a zimmer page ;)

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-15 22:24:06
I wonder... is "Agent Of Chaos" a HZ or JNH piece? I'm listening to it right now and it's so moving!


Mike2013-05-16 01:50:44
I believe it was primarily JNH's when it played in Batman Begins ("Bruce Left for Dead") and then Hans arranged it in TDK. Can you confirm, Hybrid?

Radik reply Replies: 2 || 2013-04-20 19:29:21
What part of score it was composed for the truck chase?


Mike2013-04-20 21:18:15
Contrary to popular belief, Like a Dog Chasing Cars was not intended to be used for that. Apart from the music when the Batpod is seen for the first time, the scene was meant to be without music.


uga2013-04-20 22:02:04
Yeah, it's the new Batman Theme for the film

Nerd reply Replies: 0 || 2013-04-01 09:27:21
2:15-4:00 in Agent of Chaos is so suspenseful. Crazy.

Mike reply Replies: 36 || 2012-10-20 23:25:17
The heroic take on the Dark Knight theme found in "Like a Dog Chasing Cars": was that ever intended to be used in the movie and if so, where would it have played?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:29:14
To be clear with people who, for years, have wanted this track to be some sort of unused car chase cue, it's NOT.

It's simply a theme suite ! It was never meant to be used like that in the film. From that suite is derived "Introduce A Little Anarchy" (aka Storming Pruitt Building).

I've never seen anyone asking where Why So Serious? or A Dark Knight would be in the movie... Why Like A Dog then ? ;)


Mike2012-10-20 23:36:52
Okay, danke. As for why people want it to be in the movie, well...I think perhaps it's because the rest of the score sounds so dark while that cue sounds, comparatively, so heroic. It seems like a theme that would play during some giant action scene. Just my two cents.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:43:21
Yeah... :)

And for the short story, it was tracked again in TDKR, in the "Batman Chased" scene, it was even written (don't know if it was recorded though). But they replaced the heroic segment by something else (which is cool too, but I'd have prefered the other one :P) !


Mike2012-10-20 23:45:15
By "something else" I assume you mean the theme in Imagine the Fire, Risen From Darkness, and The Shadows Betray You?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:50:03
Yeah, 1:37 to 1:55 of Batman Chased, it would have been there. :)


Mike2012-10-20 23:53:43
I would have preferred the original, too, but props to Zimmer, Nolan, and co. The music they used still made the scene really awesome.


MGDrone2012-10-21 01:20:25
What's so frustrating to me is to see Hans write these amazing theme suites, and then seeing them dumped in favor of repeated segments of music in specific scenes. It's not a huge problem in TDK, although the ending could have been better. I mean, the last section of A Dark Knight would have worked perfectly for the very end of the movie rather than having the "Barbastella" theme again. Introduce A Little Anarchy and the other segments of the Pruitt Building scene follow the structure of "Train Fight" from BB.

But it hurts the TDKR score, for me. Seriously, the latter half of the score feels like a rough draft. You have all of Bane's music, sure. But then you have music from BB and TDK formulaically filling in the empty spaces, when they had the "Moody Bruce" suites ( consider the fact that we haven't heard the eight minute "transfiguration" suite) just sitting there mostly unused.

I have no idea if this was just Nolan not wanting to use all the new music (he implies it in an interview) or a conscious choice from Hans, Lorne, and Chris. It doesn't matter, I suppose. But what a shame to hear so much unused (and great) music in the suites.


Mike2012-10-21 01:51:07
Agreed, @MGDrone.


Mike2012-10-21 01:55:17
With regard to repetition, I noticed that a lot in the score for On Stranger Tides as well. They re-used so many cues in that movie, even the Davy Jones theme at one point!


uga22012-10-21 02:11:52
Which why I truly believe Mr. Zimmer needs a break. Though I love his scores, they have been getting repetitive and a little vacation for a year or two couldn't hurt.


MGDrone2012-10-21 03:23:48
@Mike: it was truly appalling in OST. Beckett's theme used for Barbossa?! The less said about that score, the better lol.

@uga2: I completely agree. I don't really think he's losing it, but he definitely spreads himself too thin. I mean, look at his schedule. He's got at least four projects coming up! Man of Steel, Mr. Morgan's Last Love, Rush, and Winter's Tales.


Mike2012-10-21 04:58:21
I'm not a John Williams lover and a Zimmer hater; I often prefer Zimmer over Williams. But, Williams is really good at the re-using of themes. He does it subtly and occasionally. Many composers could learn from him in that respect.


Bioscope2012-10-21 05:36:23
The cue in question came very close in the Ferrari scene, if I can remember correctly, and I felt that The Pruitt scene cue was meant to reprise the Batman Theme Heroic, thanks to the Official soundtrack sequencing..


MGDrone2012-10-21 05:44:10
You used the perfect word: occasionally. Truthfully, I got tired of hearing the end credits theme in TDKR. Too much of a good thing... But I honestly think Hans can handle a sequel pretty well. Which goes back to the theme suites. They show the great ideas Hans can come up with.


Mike2012-10-21 05:52:36
The end credits theme was used a bit too much, but I don't think anyone can deny it: it made Batman's first appearance on the Batpod very epic.

A prime example of Zimmer doing well on a sequel is POTC 3. That was full of new and complex material.


uga22012-10-21 06:09:47
Yes, POTC3 was my favorite of his pirate scores. He reinvented the love theme and created some new ones, he didn't go overboard when it came to reusing anything either. I think that's what I expected to happen in TDKR, but sadly not, however I still enjoyed it nonetheless. I'm hoping if they do a third Sherlock Holmes movie and he comes back as composer that he will do more new stuff and not have to reuse too many things from the previous. It's very rare you see a breath of fresh air zimmer score these days. I think the last one for me was Inception.


Mike2012-10-21 06:32:05
Admittedly, I haven't heard much of this one, but from what I have heard, I think Madagascar 3 was pretty good where making new music is concerned.


Poe2012-10-21 07:25:40
"Though I love his scores, they have been getting repetitive and a little vacation for a year or two couldn't hurt."

Zimmer is always contradicting himself. He said a couple of years ago he was retiring. Still hasn't happened.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 09:42:01
What you guys don't get when you say "HZ needs a break" is that POTC 4 was a mess, and the heavy (ridiculous) temptrack was the director's choice, and Hans had to drop a lot of great ideas.


Mike2012-10-21 09:45:14
If you're saying, Hybrid, that we're blaming this on Zimmer--I'm not. I know for the Dark Knight movies that the repetition of cues was in large part Chris Nolan's fault. I remember in the booklet that came with the 2 CD Dark Knight score, Chris said how Hans and James insisted on new themes rather than just having them re-use old ones. It wouldn't surprise me if On Stranger Tides were the same way.


Ds2012-10-21 13:26:58
@Mike: yeah, indeed. Nobody speaks about Madagascar 3 on this board, but this score is the proof that Hans still can manage a VERY good sequel. So many new themes, new ideas. The score for Madagascar 3 was simply awesome.


Mr. Fate2012-10-21 17:54:31
Not to go back to Pirates 4, but I've got a question that maybe you can answer Hybrid. You said Zimmer had to throw out a lot of ideas in place for a bunch of music that originated from temp tracks...Do you know if there was actually any music written or even orchestrated from these ideas?

I ask because there are a couple special features I've seen on YouTube that have music that both sounds like Pirates as well as an imitation of Pirates. Bits and pieces of it sound like an 'inversion' of the "He's A Pirate" theme. A similar sample of the music could be heard in the film's website when it came out.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 19:05:57
Nope I don't think so. Demo stuff.


Poe2012-10-21 22:08:28
"What you guys don't get when you say "HZ needs a break" is that POTC 4 was a mess, and the heavy (ridiculous) temptrack was the director's choice, and Hans had to drop a lot of great ideas."

I wish reviewers of soundtrack sites like Filmtracks knew details like this, instead of just bashing Zimmer.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 23:48:33
They don't care knowing, they don't even ask...


Mike2012-10-22 00:00:18
Filmtracks is waaaaay to harsh on Zimmer scores. I don't give it the time of day lol.


Mike2012-10-22 00:01:56
too* harsh


cheesy2012-10-22 05:00:34
Filmtracks is either ridiculously biased or has extremely pretentious and illogical taste.


Mike2012-10-22 06:05:38
I think the second. They did give a positive review to Crimson Tide.


Poe2012-10-22 06:11:00
Both. If it isn't John Williams, they do not wish to know. (A slight generalization but you get the idea)


Mike2012-10-22 06:12:05
They are very biased toward Mr. Williams. lol.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-22 11:47:46
It's not exactly a question of "pro" or "against" or Williams or anything. The most annoying is that he generally doesn't know the facts, and presents what he thinks as facts.


Mike2012-10-22 23:28:54
He'd be an awful scientist, taking hypotheses as facts lol


Edmund Meinerts2012-10-23 19:58:54
As a Filmtracks regular, this sort of bashing always slightly gets on my nerves, so I thought I'd say something: first, Hybrid, you're absolutely right that he likes to present his thoughts or assumptions as facts, one of the few issues I have with Clemmensen as a writer. But to assume that he's "biased" towards John Williams or against Zimmer or whatever is just silly; isn't the whole point of a review to state what you think of a score? Bias would be if he actually thought, say, The Dark Knight Rises score WAS good but wrote a bad review of it anyway. But as it is he's just writing what he thinks, and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other positive Zimmer reviews at Filmtracks - and though I'd definitely not be as harsh as him on things like the Batman and Pirates scores, I can at least understand his viewpoint, even if I don't agree with him (personally, I think At World's End is one of Zimmer and co.'s best scores).

But when I read things like "if it isn't John Williams, they do not wish to know" I do wonder whether that person has actually read more than a dozen or so Filmtracks reviews. And you have to admit that Williams has written more "famous" themes than probably the rest of the film composers put together.


MGDrone2012-10-23 21:28:29
@Edmund: You're absolutely right about one thing, there's nothing wrong with him giving his opinion. In the words of the great critic, Roger Ebert, "no one can be wrong about their own opinion." That then comes down to whether you trust his taste. I have no problem with seeing a critic give a negative "score" to something I love. In fact it intrigues me. That's the whole point of criticism. But what happens with Clemmenson is that he brings up ridiculous and illogical points when he bashes certain Hans Zimmer's scores (you know the ones I'm talking about). In fact, he has often implied that the score is not that bad, even enjoyable, but he just can't bring himself to like it. You judge for yourself whether that's good criticism. I sincerely believe he prefers to write negative reviews when it comes to RCP scores. He follows traditions more than the premise of a score when criticizing. He seeks what he wants to find in a score and nothing more. He lets popularity and a composer's PR track record influence his opinion strongly. I do not believe for a second that he goes into every score with an open mind. If a score sticks to his rules, he'll like it. If not, he won't. You judge whether his rules agree with you. You know what they are.

I'd like to say one last thing because this always comes up in these conversations. I fell in love with film music because of John Williams. I'm fond of many of his scores. It personally doesn't matter much to me how many of his themes are popular. It's exciting when a theme gains popularity like so many of John Williams'. But there are too many good scores that receive little attention that I started to not care which ones are popular and which ones are not.

And my very last comment. I prefer your reviews to Clemmenson's.


Mike2012-10-23 21:39:28
This ^

Ds reply Replies: 2 || 2012-05-01 21:55:44
Anyone saw the new trailer for The Dark Knight Rises? It features new music from Hans!

New material + old themes = GOOSEBUMPS!!

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g8evyE9TuYk


072020122012-05-02 20:20:50
Now, We are waiting for a Great Score Of Hans Zimmer ther's no doubt,I am optimistic...!


Radik2012-05-04 21:23:20
I love music in trailer, i can't wait for TDKR :)))

tunc reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-18 16:19:35
Is there any video of recording of these soundtracks while the band is playing????

anoopa reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-10 12:36:27
The Joker's music is heard while Selina is talking to Bruce at the ball, and the chant with synth percussion is heard at the end before the logo appears.

Angelic reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-10 11:20:03
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fabien reply Replies: 3 || 2012-03-04 11:11:20
humm...

Hans Zimmer - The Fire Rises! (Prologue) [The Dark Knight Rises] on youtube...

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Please enter number: 786 


Areozz2012-03-04 15:29:54
Were you...planning on going somewhere with that sentence fragment?


fabien2012-03-04 16:39:59
sorry, just type it to listen to the 6min extract. enjoy


fabien2012-03-04 16:48:03
also on h t t p ://www.ecranlarge.com/article-details-22389.php
Fin de la conversation

iPhil reply Replies: 1 || 2012-02-29 10:38:45
hello guys!

It was some time ago, i read an interview in which Nolan said talked about Hans Zimmer!
Something like: There's no one other than Hans Zimmer that defines music like this....
I want to read this interview again, but can't find it on the internet!
So if anyone nows what i mean !!!PLEASE!!! give me the link!


iPhil2012-03-01 09:25:08
have already found it ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2012-01-09 08:51:59
interesting...

youtube.com / watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cXWtFknQlg



Phil2012-01-10 15:30:07
indeed it is!!


tomPoland2012-01-11 11:27:35
I bet Zimmer will says that it was intentional and will be surprised no one figured it so far

Druin reply Replies: 2 || 2011-12-20 23:01:56
Anyone seen the second trailer yet? What's interesting is that Zimmer inserted the Joker theme in one part and we hear the chant again with percussion added to it. I'm very excited for this score. It'll be interesting to see what Zimmer comes up with for Catwoman/Selina.


Mr. Charles2011-12-20 23:19:21
Ya I saw it in front of Sherlock Friday night. At which part can you hear it?


Druin2011-12-21 00:13:47
The Joker's music is heard while Selina is talking to Bruce at the ball, and the chant with synth percussion is heard at the end before the logo appears.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 13 || 2011-07-14 16:40:51
I couldn't find anyone knowing if JNH is in or not... Even Lorne Balfe & Stu Thomas, at this point, couldn't answer me...

The only sure thing is that HZ started working on the score a couple of months back (Mel Wesson providing Ambient Music Design :)).

Hans did that "A Dark Knight" atmospheric reprise you can hear in the trailer... And the very few seconds of the trailer contain a weird cue, that was on the film website some time ago, also by HZ (some Bane idea ?) !


David2011-07-18 23:05:25
Thanks for looking in on this, Hybrid. It's hard to imagine a Batman score without JNH's beautiful and elegant theme input, but I'm confident Hans Zimmer will blow us away no matter what.

I had a hunch that the "chanting" was something for Bane. It's certainly an interesting idea. I like it though; it's chilling in the teaser.


Anonymous2011-07-18 23:16:59
Hybrid is there any way for us "average" people to get complete or additional musics to movies like sherlock holmes and inception?


bruceV2011-07-19 13:17:48
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that a new score, the soundtrack for TDKRises, will be NEARLY AS SUCCESSFUL AS were the previous ones, unless JNH is back for it (along with HZ and the rest of the 'crew' of Batman soundtracks).

Yes, maybe it can be done, a new score without JNH, and it might be a nice and cool one, powerful even, but THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE IT WONT BE ABLE TO HELP the movie like the two previous scores.

Because it was them, TOGETHER (along with Lorne Balfe and a whole lot other musicians), that the previous ones were made, so Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard MUST MEET AGAIN IF WILLING TO ACHIEVE A SOUND-PERFECTION score, in and out of the movie, similar to the work of the previous ones.
Because also, after all, it was that BLEND OF DIVERSITY and the mix of THOSE different talents that created this unprecedented love of people for those Batman soundtracks.

Please dear administrators and loving fans of BB and TDK scores, make whatever is possible to spread the message out: WE, THE FANS OF THIS MUSIC, NEED AND WANT THE NEXT BATMAN SCORE TO BE MADE FROM THE SAME SUCCESSFULL AND TALENTED PEOPLE. NOT SOME NEW COMPOSERS AND NOT SOME RANDOM, UP-AND-COMING MUSICIANS.


JBourne2011-07-19 18:50:45
bruceV

Btw .. if u saw the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight Rises .. U Can See in the Credits that Hans Zimmer WILL Be the one to compose the music .. and u can actually here the music heard in the site at the end of the teaser .. So rest assured .. The Soundtrack will be Awesome :)


bruceV2011-07-19 21:54:15
Dear JBourne, it's not about the music being good, or 'awesome' as you claim, or anything else.. IT'S ABOUT FUNCTION, FIRSTLY, (being good in the movie, help and enhance director’s vision) AS WELL AS FASHION (being able to be heard and be likable to the fans, without the movie).

If you were a musician or knew anything about the way film composing works, you would already have known that since the soundtrack for THOSE BATMAN MOVIES worked not only once but twice, it could definitely work for a third or a fourth film and be AN EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL one, IF ONLY ONE PARAMETER WERE TO BE KEPT THE SAME (STEADY): the recipe, the formula, BEING THE SAME. And by that of course, I mean its core, the ideas and sounds of the original creators of the first two Batman scores. Otherwise, yes, the new soundtrack it might sound good and do well in the movie, but it most probably won’t be like the Batman scores we already have heard from the previous two soundtracks.. But that’s another question, for a different topic, whether or not fans WOULD OR COULD LIKE a new approach of the Batman score in the next Chris Nolan’s movie..

By the way, thank you, but it has been common knowledge for quite a few months now that HZ was going to compose music for the next Batman film.. ; -)

You cannot imagine what I would give right now and how much I wish for it, one year from now, to be asking you for an apology. But, believe me, it would disappoint me even more, to hear a less interesting BATMAN-STYLE-SOUNDTRACK, than the previous ones.
But you already know the answer in order for that ‘awesomeness’ to happen again: Zimmerish sounds MIXED TOGETHER WITH JNHoward’s sounds (and of course other composers of the RCProductions in minor roles, i.e. Mel Wesson, Heitor Pereira, Martin Tillman and others).

Cheers!


JBourne2011-07-19 23:27:54
bruceV
Couldn't Agree more ..
I dunno if Zimmer is Gonna Deliver us with a Another Score as Good as the ones Before it ..
I Do however know for a Fact .. that for the past couple of years, he's been trying new things .. like the Theme He Used for the Joker .. And Look what he came up with in Sherlock Holmes ..
So I Guess I Can Safely Say that Something about the Soundtrack will be Surprising And Yet Beautiful ..

Can't Believe Tho its still a year far from happening :( ..


Dakota2011-07-20 00:40:50
The year will go quickly and The Dark Knight Rises will be here before we know it. And I don't know if James Newton Howard isn't returning, but isn't it all up to Christopher Nolan? I may be wrong I don't know much, but that's the way I see it...


Anonymous2011-07-20 01:57:45
james N howard has the coice to opt out if he wants. its not all up to nolan


Dakota2011-07-20 04:46:34
Well of course he can drop drop out if he wants, but what I meant was that it's possible Nolan wants just Hans on this one. Afterall, looked what he did with Nolan's last film, Which was Inception. Amazing score. But I really hope James will be on board.


Nick Cave2011-09-29 08:26:03
A little over a year ago I stumbled acoss a piece of music that was unmistakeably a work by HZ & JNH and it was entitled 'A Bank Robbery' yet it was not the same piece as The Bank Robbery on the film's official score. It opens with heavy percussion and staccato strings and has a powerful middle section in which there is a reverb-laden female's vocals before an epic reprise of a progression extremely similar to the piece I keep finding on mp3 hosting sites called 'preview' which is a piano-based theme with descending minor scale. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.
It does not feature on either disc 1 or 2 of TDK. Upon download, it had The Dark Knight artwork but I understand that may have been misleading.

PLEASE HELP GUYS, THIS PIECE BLEW MY FUCKING MIND.


Papapalpatine2011-09-29 09:14:58
I think Hybrid is the right man to answer, but I don't think there are ANY vocals on the score whatsoever. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything. There's nothing on the complete score. There's not even anything on Batman Begins. At least I don't think so....


cheesy2011-09-29 14:26:17
I think the only vocals in either were the cues after Bruce's parent's death (Mugging Part 2, Courthouse Part 1, ect). But even so, those are the ONLY occurrences.

Personally I'm not much of a fan of vocals in action scores, but that's a whole different discussion entirely.


Jake2011-09-29 20:22:37
@ Nick thats probably "Why so serious" crystal method remix. and it iss on disc 2, it has synth vocals, but is not part of the score, so you probably didn't listen to the whole thing, I'd understand

Kassi reply Replies: 1 || 2011-07-25 08:03:20
What an awesome way to explain this-now I know evertyihng!


Alex2011-07-25 08:20:23
Troll - stop trolling.


Mattingly reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 06:02:29
Great artlice, thank you again for writing.

Mimosa reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-24 18:48:10
This aritcle went ahead and made my day.

Geoffrey reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-14 14:31:37
the endt titles at the end of the teaser confirms only Zimmer on the TDKR score. Just by curiosity, why JNH isn't working on this ?

Radim reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-22 19:04:50
h t t p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzSuEAS31jU&feature=mfu_in_order &list=UL
4:44 this sounds like Joker theme

David reply Replies: 2 || 2011-05-29 21:39:22
Anyone know if James Newton Howard really isn't returning for TDK Rises?


Phil2011-06-10 10:44:43
As far as i know he wont return...
But lets wait and see...


Anonymous2011-06-10 23:59:55
Whaaaat? Why isn't James Newton Howard returning?

jp reply Replies: 2 || 2011-06-09 23:48:47
my favorite movie i love the music!...hans zimmer is the best man..


Anonymous2011-06-10 06:06:34
Than you'll love the recording sessions that leaked.


Dakota2011-06-10 10:26:28
I truely believe that the epic score is the driving force of this film. There's nothing else to be said

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