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Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfe’s part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesn’t seem to represent that for some reason.
I really liked Richter’s score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richter’s score is used (alongside Balfe’s material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly it’s a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, it’s very pretty. I’ll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His “Music For Airports” and “The Lovely Bones” are excellent if you like more introspective music.
btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, I’ve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. It’s funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfe’s contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). It’s disappointing that they didn’t include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.
Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?"The Wanderer", "Event Horizon", "You Have To Let Me Go" and "Tuesday (Voiceless)" = WOW WOW WOW!!!Zanelli is no James Newton Howard, but he did a fantastic job with writing a large scale fantasy score. I’ll even say that, while I think the first Maleficent is stronger overall, I personally like the action writing better here. Also 2 little things I’ve noticed;<br><br>1. The new theme here sounds fairly similar to the Father/Son tune from KFP3<br>2. 2:20-3:30 sounds like it may have been temped from the finale of Fantastic Beasts. (Or maybe I’m just crazy lol)Great work of Zanelli, if is not as good like JNH's Maleficent, is a tremendous work, with a terrific writing and orchestrations, even the most tender parts are terrific.
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Hans ZimmerJames Newton HowardLorne BalfeHenry Jackman
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The Dark Knight
Label: Warner Bros. Records
Length: 73'24
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  1. Why So Serious? (9:14)
  2. I'm Not A Hero (6:34)
  3. Harvey Two-Face (6:16)
  4. Aggressive Expansion (4:35)
  5. Always A Catch (1:39)
  6. Blood On My Hands (2:16)
  7. A Little Push (2:42)
  8. Like A Dog Chasing Cars (5:02)
  9. I Am The Batman (1:59)
  10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad (2:28)
  11. Agent Of Chaos (6:55)
  12. Introduce A Little Anarchy (3:42)
  13. Watch The World Burn (3:47)
  14. A Dark Knight (16:15)
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From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-20 00:00:00
Congratulations Mr.Zimmer & Mr.Howard You've Composed The #1 Movie From The Top 250 IMDB This is What The Movie Deserve and What You Deserve Too I'm Soooooooo Happy That The Dark Knight is #1 :) :) :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-20 00:00:00
I think that is I'm not a hero

emily reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-20 00:00:00
ok im just wondering which song is it when batman is in hong kong catching lau? im not sure which one it is? please let me know thanks.
dark knight was amazing. ive seen it 3 times. thursday at midnight friday evening and saturday evening. i love it!

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From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-20 00:00:00
Hi coburnbatman have you heard the End Credits Of The Dark Knight??? If So Please Is It Like Batman Begins End Credits????? Because i really loved the End Credits Of Batman Begins You've no idea how many times i listened to it i think its about 4000 times Its BRILLIANT so is it like the end credits of begins??????

Bo Digidy reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-20 00:00:00
Zimmer and Howard interview is up at Superherohype.

coburnbatman reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard seriously deserve an award for the movie. I too enjoy listening to it. Especially when im on the road. Hands down, Zimmer is my favorite composer of all time. He and i are both German. Like that has to do with anything. IDK. The "End Credits" from Batman Begins i have and love. All I gotta do now is get The Dark Knight "End Credits" and i'll be happy!

Max reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
Im also looking for the song playing in Dark knight's trailer + credits

thx in advance

josh reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
For almost 30 years he gave us the most kitch, all american cheasy empty easy theme music ever. He even steal from other composer, for exemple Gustav Holst, Mars from The Planets for gladiator. And now with this Dark Knight, nothing interesting, nothing new, the score is almost the same as Batman begins. I am a big fan of Batman since I was young and this boring music makes me angry ! I prefer the Elfman score from the original Batman, 1000000 times better.

From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
Hi Roy you can find it in batman begins original score the of the song is ''Molossus'' Or in the expanded score of batman begins too in The ''End Credits'' of begins and because you've heard it in The Dark Knight there are 3 other releases of the dark knight score coming soon i heard i think it will be there but you can find in batman begins score the Original in ''Molossus'' and the Expanded In The End Credits

Now I haven't seen the dark knight yet because it hasn't released yet in my country and i have a question the song you're talking about played in the dark knight in some scenes?????????

bruceV reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
A Sentient Being, you got me first!! I couldn’t agree more with what you‘ve said in your last post. I was about to post something here too, after seeing the movie..

Well, maybe the guys that posted an answer to what I’ve said earlier are right and I was overzealous/ passionate.. /Apologizes for that.

After seeing the movie yesterday I’d like to add something that you are probably aware of already: THE MUSIC OF Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard FITS LIKE A GLOVE to the Picture of THE DARK KNIGHT.

As for the other subject, you people Sascha and KEN s., perhaps you (think you) have such a strong name as John Williams, Ennio Morricone, Howard Shore or anyone else music composer of our time, that you can criticise and judge Hans Zimmer’s and James Newton Howard’s decisions and work?? Who are you people really? Tell us, so that we recognise you publicly and then you CAN have your opinion HEARD and written.. Maybe then you will compose YOUR OWN themes and the ONES you prefer to what H.Z. and J.N.H. have done here.

Until then, maybe you should KEEP your PERSONAL opinion on Hans Zimmer’s WORK for YOURSELVES..

Because there are a few of us who believe that if there’s something out there in the world that we don’t like, then the first thing that should be changed would be our stance / OURSELVES ...

Greetings!!! : - )


* And by the way, RemoteDead6 you are completely out of the subject... Maybe it’s not A Sentient Being who is an idiot, but someone else...

You are right about what you said on Beethoven’s being deaf, BUT was Beethoven BLIND or incapable to READ too???.....

Max reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
From North Africa :

I have seen the movie 2 times in 24h (yeah thats how good it is my friend) and I recall enjoying that song of some very similar variation of that song during several action scenes.

Hope you can enjoy Heath Ledger's Joker as soon as possible.

From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
I Really Can't Wait Max Until This Movie Release In My Country 23 July I'm So Sad That Heath Has Gone I Loved him Sooooo Much We Lost The Best Actor EVER My Friend I Hope He Gets Oscar For His Rule This Movie Is My Favorite Movie EVER Before I EVEN See It & Heath's Performance Is The Greatest Performance EVER May God Rest His Soul :(
I Hope He was Still with us to See How AMAZING He Was
ICan't Wait I Can't Stand The Wait I Feel Torture From Waiting I Can't Wait Anymore

I Cry Everytime I Hear Track 14 A Dark Knight Absolutely Brilliant Soooooo Emotional

Cameron reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
Zimmer: Nothing he does seems to be special to him. He seems to have no sense of occasion (which is weird because he's German and lived in England for a long time). He treats everything the same. For god's sake, his action music for the Dark Knight is almost the same as The Peacemaker.

He knew this was going to be a special film and yet he brought nothing special to the table. No great themes. Nothing. Just a vascillating 4-note figure that can only be the musical representation of Bruce Wayne/Batman's singularity of purpose and focus and a siren-like motif in the brass that can be a "help is on the way" idea.

Really I think old Hans has actually just composed himself out and may never have anything fresh to say again (that, of course, if your argument states he ever had anything fresh to say in the first place).

PJ2 reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
I can't wait the movie, but here in France it realises August the 13th!!! It's torture!!!!!!

A Sentient Being reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
bruceV, thank you so much for your support! You got the words out of my mouth regarding RemoteDead 6's post. He missed my point entirely!

Truly, guys, we may love it or hate it, but it sure does not mean it's bad.

Here, in Serbia, The Dark Knight has its premiere on July 23. I'm gonna eat my shorts (and everything that's in it) until then!!! Hopefully, my copy of TDK score arrives from Amazon.com on 22nd!

:-)

Cheers!

Geoffrey reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
August the 13TH in france? in belgium it's july the 23th ...weird.

Ratheesh reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
Thanks for tracks!!

From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
Hi Roy Which end credits do you mean the end credits of the dark knight or batman begins???

is the music that in the trailer of The Dark Knight in the end credits of The Dark Knight??????

bruceV reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
Right….

I suppose, Sascha, (who you are a big fan of H.Z.) you are angry - about the soundtrack of The Dark Knight, is that so??

Well, since I consider myself too as a ‘fan’ of H.Z. and his music, I’d like to state a little something here too…

First of all, Sascha, would it be possible to indicate to me how many of these people that post a comment here are ‘angry’ with the soundtrack of The Dark Knight?...

Furthermore – and most important – is my second question to you AND to ALL of those ‘so called’ fans and big lovers and collectors of H.Z. music:
Beyond those comments of yours about this particular music (The Dark Knight) is there anything hiding?? I mean did you HAVE to pay (a lot of money) or had you been paid to criticize Hans Zimmer’s music and NOW WITH THIS SOUNDTRACK all of these stop to function and make your life so miserable that you can’ stand, despite the fact that you are a fan of H.Z. and judge his choices in this way??..
Because if it is so, you could simply stop hearing to this (insulting) soundtrack, TOSS IT AWAY and never buy a H.Z. soundtrack in your life again….

To sum up my comment I’d like to ask you Sascha and all of those people I mentioned before: Do you REALLY think you NEED to pay/ get/ hear to this soundtrack?? Or else something really serious will happen?....

I think there is still freedom of choice and there’s not an obligation to hear this PARTICULAR CD!!!!! If you don’t like it for some reason go on and hear anything else and don’t criticize the work that has been done here.

Greetings to ALL HANS ZIMMER and his Music fans!!!! : - )

Sascha reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
I'm a big fan of H.Z.
But like everybody here i'm angry.

Roy reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
hey great track but I am looking for the music in the trailers and also in the End credits of the movie.

Anyone has an idea which track that is?

Renan reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
Zimmer and Howard talked a lot about that THEME in many interviews...

I was really expecting something really COOL...as Howard keep saying "Zimmer wrote a wonderful big theme...". But it seems that the THEME wasn't used in this score.

At least I couldnt find it.

There has been, indeed, some evolution in Batman's Two Note Motif. In track 2, there is a Bass/Cello line added to the main Motif. Its very beatiful, emotional and touching. But it doesnt really made any difference. It worked more as a fulfilling line.

Someone said that track 8 "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" featured the THEME. Thats not true, what we have at track 8 is Variations on Track 2 (I'm not a Hero) motifs and "themes". The opening for track 8 is a motif very similar to what we heard at 44 seconds on track 2, but now its fast-paced and harmony is more tense.

For the Joker theme, come on! We cant even say its a theme. There is no such thing as an "One note" theme. Its a motif...nothing but that.

I loved the score, thats true. Its a masterpiece, on its own purposes. But there are definitely many flaws.

Steve reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
I don't like it. The joker theme is the worst. The rest is just reprise of the "molossus" theme from batman begins... Very disappointing.

Sascha reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
sorry for my bad english.
Angry i meen disappointed
what track plays first in intro on this site???

Sascha reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
I dont care about his ways. He makes music for maney and for as and he must do it well,but this score is bullshit. I think time of Mr. H.Z have past. ########

KEN s. reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
I like this Batman Dark Knight soundtrack, but only the hero theme song (Like a dog chasing cars and Introduce a little anarchy).

But somehow I think H.Z. work is not as good as before. I'm a big fan, but I think Pirates of the Caribbean 1,2 (not 3), Gladiator is a lot better than his latest work.

Just a note, I don't agree that "if i don't like his work, don't buy and stop listen" I think if I'm H.Z. I will listen to the angry people, try to find the problem and fix it, rather than listen to the big fan that always say "H.Z. is the best composer in the world" He will have no improvement, if he don't listen to comments

From Noth Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
Am i the only one who think that this soundtrack is a MASTERPIECE I've heard every single soundtrack for Mr.Zimmer and He has never disappointed me in any score this guy is angle i think he is the King Of Music
This Score is The Most Emotional Score EVER have you listened to A Dark Knight The Track 14 Its BRILLIANT

Thank You Mr.Zimmer For Your All Music You Are The King Of Kings

roy reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
hey from north africa

the end credits of dark knight.

Brian reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
I believe this soundtrack is the finest music ever to grace a film screen. It's brilliance, with the brilliance of a solid script, and solid acting makes this film the ultimate movie going experience. Mr. Zimmer, and Mr. Howard have outdone themselves. Bravo, Maestro's. Genius!!!!!!

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