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@Bob<br><br>Thank you for the enlightment, I will consider opening my wrists for misconduct in the next few days, thank you very much... :o<br><br><br><br>Ok seriously though, you guys should know that if there's one guy that could not care less about awards... it's Hans... :)I am really enjoying his season of the Crown.a big balfe influence in this season with hints of Churchil and Genius I think. Really excellent music/ it's me@ds "Ramin is also doing a lot of projects but is far, far behind in terms of styles and creativity."<br> <br>I think the same for Jablonsky, Zanelli, XL, Jackman and Mancina.@macejko<br><br>"All the time he acts like the hottest shit in town, refusing to score basically everything they offer him"<br><br>You said in another comment that you never read an interview with Powell, so not reason you take that kind of conclusion of your character.<br><br>"The man hides in a cave, doesn't evolve at all and for some mysterious reason he is still revered like a second coming of Jesus Christ."<br>Powell is a clearly talented composer. He suffered criticism at the beginning of his career by sounding like Zimmer, but soon showed substance. And much more than that created an identifiable style, which today is reference to other scores of modern animations (which may be good or bad to depend on of the point of view).<br>Today he is an established composer and it is common for these composers to move away for a few years or even close their careers without many explanations for the public. In recent years we watched the estrangement of Silvestri, Horner, Williams and in the past we saw Faltemeyer, Bill Conti and Brad Fiedel drop their careers when they were at the top of the game.<br><br>" Say anything you will about Lorne Balfe, but at least he is working his ass off and slowly getting better and better"<br><br>As they said in another comment, you're compared to newbies and veterans. Balfe's having the opportunity of his life now. Take it or leave it. There's no choice. Powell, as well as Zimmer others, on the other hand, is a "senior member" of the club. He can afford to go away for a few years to resolve comprehensible personal problems without affecting the hard work he has developed in the last 20 years. Will Balfe continue to be so creative in 10 or 15 years?<br><br>@ds<br><br>"<br>Powell has nothing to prove, he has already mastered all genres"<br><br>That's funny, but it's fair. Powell Is a good composer. Not the best, far from it. Your style really narrows your work down, but we can say that from all the composers out there. So it's not a problem.The problem is he wants to limit his work to animations and fantasy.because he abhors gratuitous violence.<br><br>@george<br><br>". Although, I hate to say it, we could say the same for Zimmer in my opinion"<br><br>Zimmer's at the end of his career. All the other composers when they arrived at 60 years (with the exception of JNH, Goldsmith and Morricone) reduced the amount of projects per year and went on to choose their work best. It's a natural way.Over the years, it tends to get worse with one exception here and there. Don't keep expectations like he's in his prime<br><br>"he has "nothing more to prove", he is creatively dead."<br><br><br>Powell will work with a little more frequently in the coming years (or not) that only depends on his ambitions. However, frankly, he's never going to do three again. 4.5. 6 projects in a year. It takes a lot of motivation for that.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Just listened to the whole thing, kind of a let down. Nothing interessting except for some action moments. Don’t even recall hearing some sort of theme. Overall it was like listening to Cars 4: Spanish World Cup.I have already listened to The Jumanji Overture and I must say it sounds really great. Let's see how the rest of the score sounds.Tracklist with track duration:<br>01. The Jumanji Overture (03:20)<br>02. Digging Up The Past (01:43)<br>03. Brantfort High (01:09)<br>04. Into The Jungle (01:23)<br>05. Out of Character (02:31)<br>06. The Legend of the Jewel (02:23)<br>07. The Adventure Begins (01:40)<br>08. Special Abilities (01:16)<br>09. The Bikers (03:44)<br>10. Van Pelt (01:00)<br>11. A Test Of Friendship (01:22)<br>12. The Bazaar (01:16)<br>13. Snake Charmer (03:41)<br>14. The Power of Bravestone (01:04)<br>15. Seaplane McDonough (02:17)<br>16. The Missing Piece (01:46)<br>17. Lost In Time (01:18)<br>18. Flirting With Danger (01:36)<br>19. Albino Rhinos (03:44)<br>20. Retrieving the Emerald (01:54)<br>21. Out of Lives (01:49)<br>22. First Kiss (01:22)<br>23. The Jaguars (03:03)<br>24. Ring of Fire (02:07)<br>25. Begin The Climb (01:56)<br>26. Call Out Its Name (02:23)<br>27. leaving Jumanji (03:03)<br>28. An Older Friend (02:40)<br>29. Back To School (01:53)@ds the same for desplat's victory with Budapest Hotel.Maybe. I'd sure be happy for you lot ;) And I'd definitely rather see Powell attached to a project than, say, RGW, Junkie or Desplat. <br><br>That Solo movie is going to be a disaster, though.
One more thing: if indeed the reason for Powell's semi-hiatus was to be with his family as much as possible, we may well see his activity increase again in coming years now that his wife has passed away and his son is close to graduating high school (I couldn't find an exact date of birth for him but I think he's 16 or 17). Him taking on a project as big and ambitious as Star Wars isn't exactly the sign of someone who wants to take it easy. It's too early to say yet though.hans should win the oscar for best sound effects and not for the best music/score. just as a statement.And it's also unfair to use Balfe to criticize Powell. He started working on American projects in 2005 with Batman Begins, and only after 2010 did he receive individual projects. Is it accurate to compare someone who entered the party at the last minute with two others who are in it for 20 (Powell) and 30 (Zimmer)?<br><br>I'm in a hurry and I put everything into a translator. Forgive the many mistakes.<br> <br><br><br>Composers do not need to worry about the attention, acceptance of the public of the same or the same intensity as pop music artists do. There's no need to do that. Occasionally some name draws attention to the public and causes many people to be in the genre, Williams and Zimmer are the main examples that I can bring the table. However it is not because Williams or Zimmer are extremely popular and perhaps worry about the material they are offering to the public who adores them that all the composers of the world need to do equal. Most of these men and women even enxeega as "celebrity". They are more like artisans or the rest of the crew of a film that occupies with the lights, effects and costumes and that will never have the same response from the public as the main actor. And they don't even expect it. So I think it's foolish to wait for Powell to occupy himself in 2,3 movies a year to please a fanbase.<br><br>I'll agree with you when it says it's deplorable to see CPR composers who talk so much about building a single voice and giving emerging talent the opportunity to use so many additional composers (many of them with a possible promise that in the future they will work with Zimmer and thus have the opportunity to show his face in Hollywood.The sense is almost always these.You start with a secondary composer, he arrives at Zimmer and gains some kind of notoriety). But Powell is not the only one who does this. So he should not be the only one criticized.Well...it's a film score. It has no obligation to provide a pleasant or enjoyable listening experience, and for an award like this that doesn't really come into consideration. So if it works in the film, it did its job and that's all that matters.<br><br>For me personally, as someone who cares about music first and films second, a score like Dunkirk has little value. A few years ago I probably would have been pretty mad about this score winning awards and acclaim (you should have seen how salty I got when The Social Network beat out HTTYD), but these days... *shrug*. I know what I like, Dunkirk isn't it, and that's fine. It wasn't written for me. Do I wish Hans still wrote the kind of music I like? Of course. But he gets to make his own choices as an artist, just as I get to choose what to listen to as a fan.
The score is already on itunes.This score... so many mixed emotions. Does it work for the film? Heck yeah. Does it improve the film? So much so. Did Hans do what he set out to do? Totally. Is it an award winning masterpiece? Um, not so fast.<br><br>Dunkirk, while super effective within the context of the film (I wouldn’t change a thing about it), I must admit, it doesn’t have nearly the same effect as a stand-alone listen. It’s literally the same textures and notes over and over again, just slightly rising and falling in pitch and tempo. Does that make it “award” worthy? I’m not sure. If based solely on the film, you betcha. If based purely on the music itself, I don’t think so. That’s where Interstellar succeeds so far and away over Dunkirk. As a pure listening experience, Interstellar is interesting, multi-layered and emotional. Whereas Dunkirk is just flat, void of any sort of feeling or “actual” music (again, works IN the film). It’s glorified sound FX (save for the end, which, no doubt, is in large part to Ben).<br><br>Hmm... I’ve never had a score tear me apart more than this one. I both love it and hate it. Maybe it did it’s job... lol.<br><br>Excuse me while I go listen to No Time for Caution yet again.I think most of us agree that he should've won for Interstellar but I think Dunkirk deserves it too. The work Hans and the music department did on this movie is just incredible. Must've been a lot of hard work. <br>An award is an award, Hans' 2nd Oscar is long overdue so I'd be glad to see him win. But it would be weird to see him win for THAT score, after all the greatnesses of the past 20 years. Same thing with Morricone who won his only Oscar for his very light and insignificant work on Hateful Eight. Good for the man, good for the fans, but doesn't really make sense. But have Oscars ever made sense? :-phaha hybrid :D made my day
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The Dark Knight
Label: Warner Bros. Records
Length: 73'24
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  1. Why So Serious? (9:14)
  2. I'm Not A Hero (6:34)
  3. Harvey Two-Face (6:16)
  4. Aggressive Expansion (4:35)
  5. Always A Catch (1:39)
  6. Blood On My Hands (2:16)
  7. A Little Push (2:42)
  8. Like A Dog Chasing Cars (5:02)
  9. I Am The Batman (1:59)
  10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad (2:28)
  11. Agent Of Chaos (6:55)
  12. Introduce A Little Anarchy (3:42)
  13. Watch The World Burn (3:47)
  14. A Dark Knight (16:15)
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Boromir reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-11 14:36:35
You can hear a LOT of Zim's Hannibal score in this. Maybe because DR Lecter and the Joker have much in common. Feeding someone pieces of his own brain sounds like something the Joker might do. And immolating someone on top of a giant pile of money sounds like something Hannibal might do. Those two ought to get together for a few games of racquetball.&#65279;

Zimson reply Replies: 0 || 2015-10-26 08:36:59
Awesome performance of Lasiurus and Like A Dog Chasing Cars (+ The Hanging Tree).
youtube.com /watch?v=1b9s52eRZ18

ei18 reply Replies: 0 || 2015-10-18 03:07:23
I was just listening to the song Origins by Brian Tyler from Thor 2. Has anyone else noticed that it sounds almost exactly like The Dark Knight Score? I believe around the 2:30 mark

Tom reply Replies: 7 || 2015-06-13 09:17:33
Hans Zimmer said that this style of music has been copied over the last few years and so it was time for something new - Interstellar. Anyway, can some of you call any movie score where you can hear these similarities or where even his music style has been copied? Thank you!


Anonymous2015-06-13 16:28:00
You for real? You know how many composers copied Inception?


Anonymous2015-06-13 17:16:51
All of them. Literally every single one.


Joshua2015-06-13 20:02:12
Oblivion
Tron Legacy
Elysium
District9
Transformers 1,2,3
Unstoppable
Captain Phillips
Dracula (tv show)
X-Men Days of Future Past
and countless advertising and trailer cues
just to name a few...


Anonymous2015-06-13 21:04:47
Yeah, uhh....that list is not 100% accurate

District 9, Transformers 1 & 2, and TRON: Legacy (somewhat) all predate Inception. TRON I say somewhat because Daft Punk had been working on the score for how many years before the film opened, 3? I mean the first trailer (released in March 2010, 4 months before Inception) even contained music from the film.


Joshua2015-06-13 21:52:12
What forum are we on right now? Inception? No, Dark Knight. I included it with Inception here and the Transformer scores are 100% dark knight rip offs. The main theme to district 9 is also dark knight heavy. And even though daft punks music was in the trailer for tron, inceptions score was already done at that point. Tron was released 5 months after inception, coincidence? I think not. Joseph Trapanese orchestrated tron and just like oblivion he took those themes and inception'd and dark knight'd the hell outta them. Hell Zimmer is even listed as a music consultant on the tron forum on this site.


Tom2015-06-13 21:55:19
Thank you guys! I also thought of Transformers, Obliviion and TRON. These movies sound very like Zimmer. I will give the other ones a listen. Are there further recommendations?
Btw. who was first, the trailer music for Inception 'Mind Heist' or Steve Jablonsky with 'It's Our Fight' from Transformers 3?


bro2015-06-14 00:15:39
Mind Heist

Lord Eddard Stark reply Replies: 0 || 2014-09-11 13:30:14
I'm Not a Hero ... it's amazing how, using only score in the sound of a mantle that flutters in the wind, HZ has managed to encapsulate the essence of Batman ... heroic song and triumphant, despite the title.

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2013-10-07 18:03:10
Hybrid, at the 0:46 mark in the track "Always a Catch", there's a cue totally unused in the movie. I don't believe it's on the complete score either. Was in gonna be used, or did Zimmer just include it to flesh out the track?


//////2013-10-08 00:38:38
It's 3m24 v7 in Batman Begins. I could swear it's used in TDK


Mike2013-10-08 01:18:55
I've seen this movie countless times and don't remember hearing that particular cue in any of it. Where do you think you heard it, //////? Because I could be wrong.


//////2013-10-08 02:39:33
I could be wrong as well, but like I said - I could swear I've heard it in the film. And I JUST watched TDK 2 days ago after receiving TDK Trilogy UCE in the mail. I too have seen the film countless times. And I'm picturing a million scenes in which it could be heard, but I got nothing. It's gonna bug the shit out of me until I figure it out


Another dude 2013-10-08 16:12:10
Its An unused cue. Check out the complete score and its named "Dirty Cash". The dude with the ////// its right is used in batman begins when bruce met fox for the first time. But they only use the first part of that cue


Mike2013-10-08 16:18:37
Wow, you know what? You're right. It is indeed "Dirty Cash". For some reason I thought that cue was something different. Guess there's anonymous' answer.. It was a JNH cue, I see. I guess it would have been used right after the "Buyer Beware" scene? Wonder why they removed/didn't use it.


Another dude2013-10-09 04:40:51
Yeah, I guess it was suppose to be in the scene where gordon and batman met to talk about the "dirty cash" after joker's robbery


Another dude 2013-10-09 04:45:27
Same with "Halfway to Hong Kong" in the complete score, its unused. It was supposed to be the scene when harvey, gordon and batman reunited.
I dont if that last thing was writed right

matthew reply Replies: 5 || 2013-08-19 01:10:22
the fact that the pencil trick in the movie, released a big laugh in the cinema, deeply disturbed me. you can argue with this thing endlessly but personally I think that in this movie the joker is not funny in any possible way. I am familiar with the notion of morbid jokes, I know Mr Tarantino. I mean that's point of the movie and that's point of this character. that's why it was so unusual as a summer blocbuster. that's the point of the Chris Nolan machine. he really pushed the music. even the sound design is really brutal in this scenes. but in the movie, if you watch it with people, they laugh when the joker comes. his family stories, the pencil trick, the party crash, everything becomes a
big-funny-family-friday-night moment. my mind is simply unable to understand this. and then, 4 years later Mr Holmes comes in and suddenly the hole-wide-world saying that these movies should be burned in hell with their directors. I truly hope Nolan comes in with full bore seriousness in Interstellar. like in TDK. I do realize that there are jokes in TDK at some point...


Sher2013-08-19 11:34:26
You know laughing can be considered a defense mechanism...
...just saying...


Mike2013-08-19 14:49:20
No offense intended, but why is this on a page about the film's music?


matthew2013-08-19 19:39:41
usually when you hear a summer action sequel score, you almost hear the stupid jokes flying in the movie. the first minute of why so serious is not funny and basically that's his signature. this is not about the stupid fucking annoying attitude like:
ohh oscar for Zimmer and Howard!! but shit, it's not yust an oscar worthy performance from Ledger, it's simply a world class presentation of a villain. that includes everything in filmmaking terms, so it's also about who did the score and how they manipulated the audience. music is important to Nolan, so it seems no matter how hard you push the score, people will laugh.


MacArthur2013-08-19 19:45:17
I do see your point matt i was kinda upset about that myself. But in terms of what this page is about the film music is good


Ned2013-08-20 02:43:27
Look, Mat go to nolanfans forum page and crap there, this is a zimmer page ;)

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-15 22:24:06
I wonder... is "Agent Of Chaos" a HZ or JNH piece? I'm listening to it right now and it's so moving!


Mike2013-05-16 01:50:44
I believe it was primarily JNH's when it played in Batman Begins ("Bruce Left for Dead") and then Hans arranged it in TDK. Can you confirm, Hybrid?

Radik reply Replies: 2 || 2013-04-20 19:29:21
What part of score it was composed for the truck chase?


Mike2013-04-20 21:18:15
Contrary to popular belief, Like a Dog Chasing Cars was not intended to be used for that. Apart from the music when the Batpod is seen for the first time, the scene was meant to be without music.


uga2013-04-20 22:02:04
Yeah, it's the new Batman Theme for the film

Nerd reply Replies: 0 || 2013-04-01 09:27:21
2:15-4:00 in Agent of Chaos is so suspenseful. Crazy.

Mike reply Replies: 36 || 2012-10-20 23:25:17
The heroic take on the Dark Knight theme found in "Like a Dog Chasing Cars": was that ever intended to be used in the movie and if so, where would it have played?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:29:14
To be clear with people who, for years, have wanted this track to be some sort of unused car chase cue, it's NOT.

It's simply a theme suite ! It was never meant to be used like that in the film. From that suite is derived "Introduce A Little Anarchy" (aka Storming Pruitt Building).

I've never seen anyone asking where Why So Serious? or A Dark Knight would be in the movie... Why Like A Dog then ? ;)


Mike2012-10-20 23:36:52
Okay, danke. As for why people want it to be in the movie, well...I think perhaps it's because the rest of the score sounds so dark while that cue sounds, comparatively, so heroic. It seems like a theme that would play during some giant action scene. Just my two cents.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:43:21
Yeah... :)

And for the short story, it was tracked again in TDKR, in the "Batman Chased" scene, it was even written (don't know if it was recorded though). But they replaced the heroic segment by something else (which is cool too, but I'd have prefered the other one :P) !


Mike2012-10-20 23:45:15
By "something else" I assume you mean the theme in Imagine the Fire, Risen From Darkness, and The Shadows Betray You?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 23:50:03
Yeah, 1:37 to 1:55 of Batman Chased, it would have been there. :)


Mike2012-10-20 23:53:43
I would have preferred the original, too, but props to Zimmer, Nolan, and co. The music they used still made the scene really awesome.


MGDrone2012-10-21 01:20:25
What's so frustrating to me is to see Hans write these amazing theme suites, and then seeing them dumped in favor of repeated segments of music in specific scenes. It's not a huge problem in TDK, although the ending could have been better. I mean, the last section of A Dark Knight would have worked perfectly for the very end of the movie rather than having the "Barbastella" theme again. Introduce A Little Anarchy and the other segments of the Pruitt Building scene follow the structure of "Train Fight" from BB.

But it hurts the TDKR score, for me. Seriously, the latter half of the score feels like a rough draft. You have all of Bane's music, sure. But then you have music from BB and TDK formulaically filling in the empty spaces, when they had the "Moody Bruce" suites ( consider the fact that we haven't heard the eight minute "transfiguration" suite) just sitting there mostly unused.

I have no idea if this was just Nolan not wanting to use all the new music (he implies it in an interview) or a conscious choice from Hans, Lorne, and Chris. It doesn't matter, I suppose. But what a shame to hear so much unused (and great) music in the suites.


Mike2012-10-21 01:51:07
Agreed, @MGDrone.


Mike2012-10-21 01:55:17
With regard to repetition, I noticed that a lot in the score for On Stranger Tides as well. They re-used so many cues in that movie, even the Davy Jones theme at one point!


uga22012-10-21 02:11:52
Which why I truly believe Mr. Zimmer needs a break. Though I love his scores, they have been getting repetitive and a little vacation for a year or two couldn't hurt.


MGDrone2012-10-21 03:23:48
@Mike: it was truly appalling in OST. Beckett's theme used for Barbossa?! The less said about that score, the better lol.

@uga2: I completely agree. I don't really think he's losing it, but he definitely spreads himself too thin. I mean, look at his schedule. He's got at least four projects coming up! Man of Steel, Mr. Morgan's Last Love, Rush, and Winter's Tales.


Mike2012-10-21 04:58:21
I'm not a John Williams lover and a Zimmer hater; I often prefer Zimmer over Williams. But, Williams is really good at the re-using of themes. He does it subtly and occasionally. Many composers could learn from him in that respect.


Bioscope2012-10-21 05:36:23
The cue in question came very close in the Ferrari scene, if I can remember correctly, and I felt that The Pruitt scene cue was meant to reprise the Batman Theme Heroic, thanks to the Official soundtrack sequencing..


MGDrone2012-10-21 05:44:10
You used the perfect word: occasionally. Truthfully, I got tired of hearing the end credits theme in TDKR. Too much of a good thing... But I honestly think Hans can handle a sequel pretty well. Which goes back to the theme suites. They show the great ideas Hans can come up with.


Mike2012-10-21 05:52:36
The end credits theme was used a bit too much, but I don't think anyone can deny it: it made Batman's first appearance on the Batpod very epic.

A prime example of Zimmer doing well on a sequel is POTC 3. That was full of new and complex material.


uga22012-10-21 06:09:47
Yes, POTC3 was my favorite of his pirate scores. He reinvented the love theme and created some new ones, he didn't go overboard when it came to reusing anything either. I think that's what I expected to happen in TDKR, but sadly not, however I still enjoyed it nonetheless. I'm hoping if they do a third Sherlock Holmes movie and he comes back as composer that he will do more new stuff and not have to reuse too many things from the previous. It's very rare you see a breath of fresh air zimmer score these days. I think the last one for me was Inception.


Mike2012-10-21 06:32:05
Admittedly, I haven't heard much of this one, but from what I have heard, I think Madagascar 3 was pretty good where making new music is concerned.


Poe2012-10-21 07:25:40
"Though I love his scores, they have been getting repetitive and a little vacation for a year or two couldn't hurt."

Zimmer is always contradicting himself. He said a couple of years ago he was retiring. Still hasn't happened.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 09:42:01
What you guys don't get when you say "HZ needs a break" is that POTC 4 was a mess, and the heavy (ridiculous) temptrack was the director's choice, and Hans had to drop a lot of great ideas.


Mike2012-10-21 09:45:14
If you're saying, Hybrid, that we're blaming this on Zimmer--I'm not. I know for the Dark Knight movies that the repetition of cues was in large part Chris Nolan's fault. I remember in the booklet that came with the 2 CD Dark Knight score, Chris said how Hans and James insisted on new themes rather than just having them re-use old ones. It wouldn't surprise me if On Stranger Tides were the same way.


Ds2012-10-21 13:26:58
@Mike: yeah, indeed. Nobody speaks about Madagascar 3 on this board, but this score is the proof that Hans still can manage a VERY good sequel. So many new themes, new ideas. The score for Madagascar 3 was simply awesome.


Mr. Fate2012-10-21 17:54:31
Not to go back to Pirates 4, but I've got a question that maybe you can answer Hybrid. You said Zimmer had to throw out a lot of ideas in place for a bunch of music that originated from temp tracks...Do you know if there was actually any music written or even orchestrated from these ideas?

I ask because there are a couple special features I've seen on YouTube that have music that both sounds like Pirates as well as an imitation of Pirates. Bits and pieces of it sound like an 'inversion' of the "He's A Pirate" theme. A similar sample of the music could be heard in the film's website when it came out.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 19:05:57
Nope I don't think so. Demo stuff.


Poe2012-10-21 22:08:28
"What you guys don't get when you say "HZ needs a break" is that POTC 4 was a mess, and the heavy (ridiculous) temptrack was the director's choice, and Hans had to drop a lot of great ideas."

I wish reviewers of soundtrack sites like Filmtracks knew details like this, instead of just bashing Zimmer.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-21 23:48:33
They don't care knowing, they don't even ask...


Mike2012-10-22 00:00:18
Filmtracks is waaaaay to harsh on Zimmer scores. I don't give it the time of day lol.


Mike2012-10-22 00:01:56
too* harsh


cheesy2012-10-22 05:00:34
Filmtracks is either ridiculously biased or has extremely pretentious and illogical taste.


Mike2012-10-22 06:05:38
I think the second. They did give a positive review to Crimson Tide.


Poe2012-10-22 06:11:00
Both. If it isn't John Williams, they do not wish to know. (A slight generalization but you get the idea)


Mike2012-10-22 06:12:05
They are very biased toward Mr. Williams. lol.


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-22 11:47:46
It's not exactly a question of "pro" or "against" or Williams or anything. The most annoying is that he generally doesn't know the facts, and presents what he thinks as facts.


Mike2012-10-22 23:28:54
He'd be an awful scientist, taking hypotheses as facts lol


Edmund Meinerts2012-10-23 19:58:54
As a Filmtracks regular, this sort of bashing always slightly gets on my nerves, so I thought I'd say something: first, Hybrid, you're absolutely right that he likes to present his thoughts or assumptions as facts, one of the few issues I have with Clemmensen as a writer. But to assume that he's "biased" towards John Williams or against Zimmer or whatever is just silly; isn't the whole point of a review to state what you think of a score? Bias would be if he actually thought, say, The Dark Knight Rises score WAS good but wrote a bad review of it anyway. But as it is he's just writing what he thinks, and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other positive Zimmer reviews at Filmtracks - and though I'd definitely not be as harsh as him on things like the Batman and Pirates scores, I can at least understand his viewpoint, even if I don't agree with him (personally, I think At World's End is one of Zimmer and co.'s best scores).

But when I read things like "if it isn't John Williams, they do not wish to know" I do wonder whether that person has actually read more than a dozen or so Filmtracks reviews. And you have to admit that Williams has written more "famous" themes than probably the rest of the film composers put together.


MGDrone2012-10-23 21:28:29
@Edmund: You're absolutely right about one thing, there's nothing wrong with him giving his opinion. In the words of the great critic, Roger Ebert, "no one can be wrong about their own opinion." That then comes down to whether you trust his taste. I have no problem with seeing a critic give a negative "score" to something I love. In fact it intrigues me. That's the whole point of criticism. But what happens with Clemmenson is that he brings up ridiculous and illogical points when he bashes certain Hans Zimmer's scores (you know the ones I'm talking about). In fact, he has often implied that the score is not that bad, even enjoyable, but he just can't bring himself to like it. You judge for yourself whether that's good criticism. I sincerely believe he prefers to write negative reviews when it comes to RCP scores. He follows traditions more than the premise of a score when criticizing. He seeks what he wants to find in a score and nothing more. He lets popularity and a composer's PR track record influence his opinion strongly. I do not believe for a second that he goes into every score with an open mind. If a score sticks to his rules, he'll like it. If not, he won't. You judge whether his rules agree with you. You know what they are.

I'd like to say one last thing because this always comes up in these conversations. I fell in love with film music because of John Williams. I'm fond of many of his scores. It personally doesn't matter much to me how many of his themes are popular. It's exciting when a theme gains popularity like so many of John Williams'. But there are too many good scores that receive little attention that I started to not care which ones are popular and which ones are not.

And my very last comment. I prefer your reviews to Clemmenson's.


Mike2012-10-23 21:39:28
This ^

Ds reply Replies: 2 || 2012-05-01 21:55:44
Anyone saw the new trailer for The Dark Knight Rises? It features new music from Hans!

New material + old themes = GOOSEBUMPS!!

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g8evyE9TuYk


072020122012-05-02 20:20:50
Now, We are waiting for a Great Score Of Hans Zimmer ther's no doubt,I am optimistic...!


Radik2012-05-04 21:23:20
I love music in trailer, i can't wait for TDKR :)))

tunc reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-18 16:19:35
Is there any video of recording of these soundtracks while the band is playing????

anoopa reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-10 12:36:27
The Joker's music is heard while Selina is talking to Bruce at the ball, and the chant with synth percussion is heard at the end before the logo appears.

Angelic reply Replies: 0 || 2012-03-10 11:20:03
After all the hoopla and price-gouging of the Movie Masters Joker fiurge comes the REAL DEAL, a right aerial's item. The Movie Masters Joker is cool in its own right, but this 1/6 scale DC Preside over Joker blows it out of the water. $89 is no pocket change but then over again, one must pay $40-$50 at eBay to get the Movie Masters Joker if they can't find it in stores, which is usually the case. And I'm no expert on action fiurge values, but I don't reckon one must be to conclude that this DC Preside over Joker will end up life a lot more valuable in the prospect than the Movie Masters Joker. In terms of detail, there is simply no comparison. This Joker even has real shoelaces, and his clothes are of a high-quality fabric. There are many cool extras accessories like a gun, knife and playing cards. I just watched the trailer for The Dark Knight over again and I'm amazed as to how this fiurge looks exactly like Heath Ledger's Joker. As tempting as it is to take it out of the box, I'd strongly recommend not doing so and keeping it mint. The accessories can be lost pretty easily as they're so small and besides, a fiurge of this value is probably better off not opened anyway (it can be very proudly showed inside the box due to the brilliant packaging). All in all, a splendid for any fan of The Batman franchise/Joker/Heath Ledger.

fabien reply Replies: 3 || 2012-03-04 11:11:20
humm...

Hans Zimmer - The Fire Rises! (Prologue) [The Dark Knight Rises] on youtube...


Areozz2012-03-04 15:29:54
Were you...planning on going somewhere with that sentence fragment?


fabien2012-03-04 16:39:59
sorry, just type it to listen to the 6min extract. enjoy


fabien2012-03-04 16:48:03
also on h t t p ://www.ecranlarge.com/article-details-22389.php
Fin de la conversation

iPhil reply Replies: 1 || 2012-02-29 10:38:45
hello guys!

It was some time ago, i read an interview in which Nolan said talked about Hans Zimmer!
Something like: There's no one other than Hans Zimmer that defines music like this....
I want to read this interview again, but can't find it on the internet!
So if anyone nows what i mean !!!PLEASE!!! give me the link!


iPhil2012-03-01 09:25:08
have already found it ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2012-01-09 08:51:59
interesting...

youtube.com / watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cXWtFknQlg



Phil2012-01-10 15:30:07
indeed it is!!


tomPoland2012-01-11 11:27:35
I bet Zimmer will says that it was intentional and will be surprised no one figured it so far

Druin reply Replies: 2 || 2011-12-20 23:01:56
Anyone seen the second trailer yet? What's interesting is that Zimmer inserted the Joker theme in one part and we hear the chant again with percussion added to it. I'm very excited for this score. It'll be interesting to see what Zimmer comes up with for Catwoman/Selina.


Mr. Charles2011-12-20 23:19:21
Ya I saw it in front of Sherlock Friday night. At which part can you hear it?


Druin2011-12-21 00:13:47
The Joker's music is heard while Selina is talking to Bruce at the ball, and the chant with synth percussion is heard at the end before the logo appears.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 13 || 2011-07-14 16:40:51
I couldn't find anyone knowing if JNH is in or not... Even Lorne Balfe & Stu Thomas, at this point, couldn't answer me...

The only sure thing is that HZ started working on the score a couple of months back (Mel Wesson providing Ambient Music Design :)).

Hans did that "A Dark Knight" atmospheric reprise you can hear in the trailer... And the very few seconds of the trailer contain a weird cue, that was on the film website some time ago, also by HZ (some Bane idea ?) !


David2011-07-18 23:05:25
Thanks for looking in on this, Hybrid. It's hard to imagine a Batman score without JNH's beautiful and elegant theme input, but I'm confident Hans Zimmer will blow us away no matter what.

I had a hunch that the "chanting" was something for Bane. It's certainly an interesting idea. I like it though; it's chilling in the teaser.


Anonymous2011-07-18 23:16:59
Hybrid is there any way for us "average" people to get complete or additional musics to movies like sherlock holmes and inception?


bruceV2011-07-19 13:17:48
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that a new score, the soundtrack for TDKRises, will be NEARLY AS SUCCESSFUL AS were the previous ones, unless JNH is back for it (along with HZ and the rest of the 'crew' of Batman soundtracks).

Yes, maybe it can be done, a new score without JNH, and it might be a nice and cool one, powerful even, but THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE IT WONT BE ABLE TO HELP the movie like the two previous scores.

Because it was them, TOGETHER (along with Lorne Balfe and a whole lot other musicians), that the previous ones were made, so Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard MUST MEET AGAIN IF WILLING TO ACHIEVE A SOUND-PERFECTION score, in and out of the movie, similar to the work of the previous ones.
Because also, after all, it was that BLEND OF DIVERSITY and the mix of THOSE different talents that created this unprecedented love of people for those Batman soundtracks.

Please dear administrators and loving fans of BB and TDK scores, make whatever is possible to spread the message out: WE, THE FANS OF THIS MUSIC, NEED AND WANT THE NEXT BATMAN SCORE TO BE MADE FROM THE SAME SUCCESSFULL AND TALENTED PEOPLE. NOT SOME NEW COMPOSERS AND NOT SOME RANDOM, UP-AND-COMING MUSICIANS.


JBourne2011-07-19 18:50:45
bruceV

Btw .. if u saw the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight Rises .. U Can See in the Credits that Hans Zimmer WILL Be the one to compose the music .. and u can actually here the music heard in the site at the end of the teaser .. So rest assured .. The Soundtrack will be Awesome :)


bruceV2011-07-19 21:54:15
Dear JBourne, it's not about the music being good, or 'awesome' as you claim, or anything else.. IT'S ABOUT FUNCTION, FIRSTLY, (being good in the movie, help and enhance director’s vision) AS WELL AS FASHION (being able to be heard and be likable to the fans, without the movie).

If you were a musician or knew anything about the way film composing works, you would already have known that since the soundtrack for THOSE BATMAN MOVIES worked not only once but twice, it could definitely work for a third or a fourth film and be AN EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL one, IF ONLY ONE PARAMETER WERE TO BE KEPT THE SAME (STEADY): the recipe, the formula, BEING THE SAME. And by that of course, I mean its core, the ideas and sounds of the original creators of the first two Batman scores. Otherwise, yes, the new soundtrack it might sound good and do well in the movie, but it most probably won’t be like the Batman scores we already have heard from the previous two soundtracks.. But that’s another question, for a different topic, whether or not fans WOULD OR COULD LIKE a new approach of the Batman score in the next Chris Nolan’s movie..

By the way, thank you, but it has been common knowledge for quite a few months now that HZ was going to compose music for the next Batman film.. ; -)

You cannot imagine what I would give right now and how much I wish for it, one year from now, to be asking you for an apology. But, believe me, it would disappoint me even more, to hear a less interesting BATMAN-STYLE-SOUNDTRACK, than the previous ones.
But you already know the answer in order for that ‘awesomeness’ to happen again: Zimmerish sounds MIXED TOGETHER WITH JNHoward’s sounds (and of course other composers of the RCProductions in minor roles, i.e. Mel Wesson, Heitor Pereira, Martin Tillman and others).

Cheers!


JBourne2011-07-19 23:27:54
bruceV
Couldn't Agree more ..
I dunno if Zimmer is Gonna Deliver us with a Another Score as Good as the ones Before it ..
I Do however know for a Fact .. that for the past couple of years, he's been trying new things .. like the Theme He Used for the Joker .. And Look what he came up with in Sherlock Holmes ..
So I Guess I Can Safely Say that Something about the Soundtrack will be Surprising And Yet Beautiful ..

Can't Believe Tho its still a year far from happening :( ..


Dakota2011-07-20 00:40:50
The year will go quickly and The Dark Knight Rises will be here before we know it. And I don't know if James Newton Howard isn't returning, but isn't it all up to Christopher Nolan? I may be wrong I don't know much, but that's the way I see it...


Anonymous2011-07-20 01:57:45
james N howard has the coice to opt out if he wants. its not all up to nolan


Dakota2011-07-20 04:46:34
Well of course he can drop drop out if he wants, but what I meant was that it's possible Nolan wants just Hans on this one. Afterall, looked what he did with Nolan's last film, Which was Inception. Amazing score. But I really hope James will be on board.


Nick Cave2011-09-29 08:26:03
A little over a year ago I stumbled acoss a piece of music that was unmistakeably a work by HZ & JNH and it was entitled 'A Bank Robbery' yet it was not the same piece as The Bank Robbery on the film's official score. It opens with heavy percussion and staccato strings and has a powerful middle section in which there is a reverb-laden female's vocals before an epic reprise of a progression extremely similar to the piece I keep finding on mp3 hosting sites called 'preview' which is a piano-based theme with descending minor scale. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.
It does not feature on either disc 1 or 2 of TDK. Upon download, it had The Dark Knight artwork but I understand that may have been misleading.

PLEASE HELP GUYS, THIS PIECE BLEW MY FUCKING MIND.


Papapalpatine2011-09-29 09:14:58
I think Hybrid is the right man to answer, but I don't think there are ANY vocals on the score whatsoever. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything. There's nothing on the complete score. There's not even anything on Batman Begins. At least I don't think so....


cheesy2011-09-29 14:26:17
I think the only vocals in either were the cues after Bruce's parent's death (Mugging Part 2, Courthouse Part 1, ect). But even so, those are the ONLY occurrences.

Personally I'm not much of a fan of vocals in action scores, but that's a whole different discussion entirely.


Jake2011-09-29 20:22:37
@ Nick thats probably "Why so serious" crystal method remix. and it iss on disc 2, it has synth vocals, but is not part of the score, so you probably didn't listen to the whole thing, I'd understand

Kassi reply Replies: 1 || 2011-07-25 08:03:20
What an awesome way to explain this-now I know evertyihng!


Alex2011-07-25 08:20:23
Troll - stop trolling.


Mattingly reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 06:02:29
Great artlice, thank you again for writing.

Mimosa reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-24 18:48:10
This aritcle went ahead and made my day.

Geoffrey reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-14 14:31:37
the endt titles at the end of the teaser confirms only Zimmer on the TDKR score. Just by curiosity, why JNH isn't working on this ?

Radim reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-22 19:04:50
h t t p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzSuEAS31jU&feature=mfu_in_order &list=UL
4:44 this sounds like Joker theme

David reply Replies: 2 || 2011-05-29 21:39:22
Anyone know if James Newton Howard really isn't returning for TDK Rises?


Phil2011-06-10 10:44:43
As far as i know he wont return...
But lets wait and see...


Anonymous2011-06-10 23:59:55
Whaaaat? Why isn't James Newton Howard returning?

jp reply Replies: 2 || 2011-06-09 23:48:47
my favorite movie i love the music!...hans zimmer is the best man..


Anonymous2011-06-10 06:06:34
Than you'll love the recording sessions that leaked.


Dakota2011-06-10 10:26:28
I truely believe that the epic score is the driving force of this film. There's nothing else to be said

David reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-23 05:23:01
@Dakota HansZimmerMusic tweeted this link Friday: h t t p://www.thedarkknightrises.com/ , which is basically just a blank black screen with a wav. file of some kind of chanting playing in the background. The whole 'secret message' was that if you looked at the actual wav file itself in an audio program, you would see the phrase "#TheFireRises" repeatedly written in the spectral view. Then, if you tweeted "#TheFireRises", you would have access to the Bane image. That last part never worked for me when I tried it, though.


David2011-05-23 05:25:11
Sorry my bad, thought I replied to the thread below with that.

Anonymous reply Replies: 6 || 2011-05-22 12:38:46
Hey Guys, have you seen Tom Hardy's first photo from The Dark Knight Rises?, Its Awesome.


Dakota2011-05-23 02:37:51
Honestly, I was expecting more. I thought it was alright, but it could have been a bit more revealing.....


Anonymous2011-05-23 03:26:31
what is this photo you speak of?


Dakota2011-05-23 05:13:30
It's like a rear-view profile shot. You see his back and he's looking back at you. He has the mask on. You can only see a quarter of his face, but you can tell it's Tom Hardy


David2011-05-23 05:14:04
I thought it was awesome. Same with the whole "the fire rises" audio clip. They're teasing us, for sure, but I think it's in a great way.


Dakota2011-05-23 05:15:00
Here you go:

h t t p://www.movieline.com/images/assets_c/2011/05/The-Dark-Knigh t-Rises-Bane-lg-thumb-630x393-34771.jpg

Remove the spaces between http


Dakota2011-05-23 05:17:06
David, what is this "the fire rises" clip? Also, the word is that the teaser will be attached to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, pt. II

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