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ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMA
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The Forbidden Kingdom
Label: Lionsgate Records
Length: 67'00
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  1. The Mountain Of Fruit & Flowers (1:43)
  2. The Peach Banquet (1:46)
  3. Monkey Business (4:31)
  4. China Begins (4:11)
  5. Hops' Shop (3:07)
  6. J&J Temple Fight (5:34)
  7. The Legend Of The Temple Staff (1:59)
  8. Two Tigers - Two Masters (2:49)
  9. Tea House Fight (5:07)
  10. The Tyranny Of War (5:23)
  11. Don't Forget To Breathe (0:52)
  12. Ni Chang & Her Cult Killers (4:35)
  13. Drunken Master Wounded (3:40)
  14. The Seeker Of The Prophecy (5:05)
  15. Let The Journey Begin (2:37)
  16. Monkey King Released (2:27)
  17. Battle Of The Bride (3:01)
  18. Her Destiny Was Written (4:12)
  19. As One Tale Ends... (2:46)
  20. ... Another Tale Begins (1:35)
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Staroc reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
I'd actually love to buy the Soundtrack from iTunes where it was released yesterday, but given that I'm from Germany I can't. Why? Well because it is only available from the US iTunes Store. So what now? Is there any estimate on when or if the Soundtrack is going to be released on international iTunes stores?!? Please say they'll have it tomorrow!!! PLEEAAASE ;)

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
Why do you want to buy it from crappy iTunes ? You can get it on Amazon in CD quality for a descent prize...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
Because international shipping is almost a price of a CD and you can't order anything else - then you have to pay custom duties :(

For a CD-R they could drop price at least to 8-9$

PROPER reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
und wann kann ich es in DEUTSCHLAND KAUFEN????? das ist doch scheiße nur die amis!!! sorry aber das verstehe ich net!!:-(
PS: werde es mir überlegen noch weiter fan zu sein und denke da bin ich net der einziege!!!

PROPER reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
ihr macht so ein geheimnis aus dem soundtrack jeden soundtrack kann man im laden kaufen aber den net!! was soll das geheimnis sein der ist gut stimmt aber wenn ich was von zb. hans zimmer will kann ich es überall kaufen nur den soundtrack von David Buckley da wird so ein es gibt in net und der wird verschoben und nur in amerika was soll das ??? ich dachte wir FANS sind überall aber langsam net wie ich sehe schade!!!!

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
Those import limits are really annoying, I know ... I can do perhaps 2 CDs, so I save some shipping on that ... But I rather spend $20 on getting it on a CD (lossless), than $10 on bad, low quality mp3's (or aac, whatever used).

I'd say $9.99 for mp3/aac is way more prizy than $13.99 for a CD-R.

Only times I may buy a download release (and then I certainly don't do it on iTunes, but rather Amazon), is if that's the only thing available, and I like to support the labels/artists by doing so ... however, when that's said, I have no problem with making CD-R copies of that to others who are unable to purchase the stuff for obvious reasons...

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Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-30 00:00:00
Eh, what I wrote might sound a bit confusing ... just to clearify, I'm not from the US, so if/when I would like to purchase from Amazon's MP3 Store (..and that's only if it's something that's not made available on CD), I of course need someone to help me out with the purchase, since I'm not able to buy directly from them myself...

Green Eyed Dragon reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-29 00:00:00
Hey Guys i got mine through the post this morning, its arrived in 7 days flat. It doesnt even look like a copy (CD-R) it looks authentic. Thanks again to david buckley.

P.S. those of you from the UK... i am also, i bought mine from amazon.. its worth it!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-24 00:00:00
iTunes next Tuesday (29 July)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-24 00:00:00
OK, well not ages :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-24 00:00:00
That's ages away. I'm from the UK and can't the CD anywhere over here.

Joe reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-23 00:00:00
Is there an eta on the itunes realse? I've been checking 3 or 4 times a day for the past two weeks, haha. I guess more delays?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-23 00:00:00
I agree w/ Dragon. Very pleased I now get to own this score. Look forward to future DB works.

PROPER reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-22 00:00:00
also bei amazon habe ich nichts gefunden auch unter google nichts was ist das für ein MIST!!! wir werden doch nur VERSCHEIssERT!! schade

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-22 00:00:00
The soundtrack is now available on Amazon US people.

Green Eyed Dragon reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-18 00:00:00
This message is for David Buckley:

When i say this i speak for everyone. Its not your fault on how or when this score is released, and as much as everyone is looking forward to this the bottom line is.... we are soooo greatful you composed a Super and Special Score for a movie millions around the world have been looking forward to for years.

Absolute Genius with Great Talent.

Thank you

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-16 00:00:00
You mean a CD-R release. I want this score, but I think the price is a bit too high + international shipping.

Almost for the same price I got Hulk 2 CD-R.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-16 00:00:00
Heres whats on Amazon:

$15.99 for Pre-order. Releases on July 22. Im just happy this soundtrack gets a CD release. I am a very happy camper.

David Buckley reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-13 00:00:00
Some answers. So yes it will be CDR (that's just the way it is - not my choice!) But it will be lossless, so that is good. No idea of price. Hope all will become clear next week.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-12 00:00:00
Well, Amazon uses AZO CDRs.

Azo CD-Rs are typically rated with a lifetime of decades.

And of course you need high quality writer.

I wonder what will be the price of this CD-R?

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-12 00:00:00
What's the problem with CD-R(s) ?

Of course it won't have the same collection/trade value as with a real pressed disc... but isn't it the music that's most important ? I'd rather have a CD-R release (which is not sourced from a lossy source ... can anyone, like Mr. Buckley himself perhaps, confirm that the CD release won't be from a lossy source ?), than a low quality download only release.

And the thingy about CD-Rs is bad because they don't last as long as pressed disc's is just bulls**t ... naturally they doesn't last as long as a real pressed disc, but it's up to each and everyone as to how long they would like the music to last...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-12 00:00:00
It will be released on a CD-R :(

Many thanks Amazon.

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-11 00:00:00
Thanks for the cover David -- page updated !

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-11 00:00:00
Ok David ! Thanks.

I need a cover to make the page of the actual official OST LOL ! :P

David Buckley reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-11 00:00:00
It looks like the amazon thing will kick in next week and itunes the following week. So yes, frustratingly, even more delays. Sorry!

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-11 00:00:00
No signs of this yet. Has there been a change in the release plan?

PROPER reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-09 00:00:00
Hallo Leute!! ist der Soundtrack heute nun rausgekommen oder nicht???

Jason reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-03 00:00:00
The format of the Amazon release would more than likely be on CDR if Mr. Buckley is going to be utilizing Amazon's Createspace.com services. Hopefully he would consider to have them pressed at some point insteadas most collectors/enthusiasts are not favorable with the CDR lifespan.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2008-06-29 00:00:00
Im happy to hear it is finally going to be released. I was about to send out emails of complaint.

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