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See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.<br><br>Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...You know, I don't think I've ever really gotten the full story surrounding that score. I've heard conflicting reports. My personal belief is that Ross did little to no substantial composition and that all the new stuff (themes, suites, new cues and also significantly fresh arrangements of old material) is pure Williams, but that film is full of reused music from the first film (it's actually quite frustrating, not as bad as On Stranger Tides or as heartbreaking as The Hobbit, but a bit of a rehashy mess and it makes the key error of using the Philosopher's Stone motif as a Voldemort theme). That's where I think Ross comes in and was responsible for taking those cues verbatim from the first film and tweaking/rearranging them just enough to match the timings of the scenes without actually adding any of his "own" notes. His role is likely somewhere between additional music, arrangement and music editing (but as Hybrid likes to point out, oftentimes those sorts of roles are really blurred and overlapping anyways).<br><br>A guy at jwfan did an analysis that helps understand the nature of that score, but be warned, it goes *really* deep:<br><br>www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber -of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/I'm trying to be objective* (sorry haha)@Anonymous Zimmer's best? Well... I'm trying to be subjective:<br>IMO The Thin Red Line remains the pinnacle of Hans' career from an artistic point of view. It's a turning point, though we've been used to this kind of writing since (so many scores have copied TTRL).<br><br>Inception and (especially) Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring as well. Their level of complexity is unmatched in Zimmer's discography.<br>Gladiator is another impressive score, as it combines some of the best action music, best drama and deepest emotions Hans has ever composed for a movie.<br><br>Seems like I'm quite objective here, as none of my favorites scores are on this list ! ;)Interesting you mention William Ross' role in Chamber of Secrets because I've never fully understood what his exact involvement was. Was he just an additional music composer? Or did he actually compose most of the score with John Williams only writing the suites? Just curious if you know.
I mean, the thematic situation *is* a bit messy. You've got new themes by Powell, one new Williams theme adapted by Powell, and then existing Star Wars themes adapted by Powell. I agree the credits are a bit long-winded but I can't think of a more concise way to convey all that information.<br><br>What does bother me (and maybe this is my inner fanboy talking) is that it seems to downplay Powell's role a bit, listing him second and with the use of the word "adapted" which makes him feel a bit second fiddle. Remember how William Ross "adapted" Williams' music for Chamber of Secrets, by which was meant largely copying and pasting bits from Sorcerer's Stone? I have no doubt that Powell has done a far, far more substantial job here (and they do say "composed and adapted", to be fair). Then again, it's a Star Wars score, and of course they're going to put Williams' name front and center as much as possible no matter what.<br><br>This is all such nitpicking of the highest order :pHans for Star Wars ?<br><br><br>Never.<br><br><br>Ron probably asked him first and Hans probably was like "JOHN POWELL !!"What would have happened if Ron Howard would have been the first choice to direct Solo? He would have chosen James Horner (if he wasn't dead) or try to convince Hans Zimmer to do the music. The only collaboration between Howard and maestro Williams was in the movie Far And Away.Poster in SpainA Star Wars score that sounds like a Powell score? I'm in.<br><br>From what I've heard of many people, the score is really great and apart from the Williams theme, I heard Powell also had a lot of great themes.<br><br>I cannot wait for it!
Your source?Just saw the film, really fun and faced paced movie. The score is great, it has a solid main theme by John Williams (not as great as Rey theme though) but still memorable and john powell adapts this main theme in various variations throughout the film. Star Wars fan might be dissapointed by the score because this overall sounds like a typical Powell score which doesn’t really sound like a typical Star Wars movie. Still fans of Powell will love this new score.La La-Land is going to release the scorePowell adapted ideas from Williams (i think in one interview, he saids the new themes come from tunes by Williams)Music providen by additional composers, mean like, diferent version or re-arranged parts from a cue
Sorry about my lack of knowledge on this...but somebody can explain me what means "Additional Music"?.<br><br>I know somebody composed the score, sometimes the same person is the arranger or orchestrator (like ussually do John Williams), but "Additional Music"??? I'm lost like always...Anyone else think the credits are too complicated? Why not just have "Han Solo theme by John Williams" and "Score by John Powell"? I know that Powell directly quotes some Williams cues, but I dunno. That's an overly complicated cover, in my opinion.I saw it in Paris, amazing show, my favourite after Zimmer's oneI think that credit connected with John Williams's music from the original Star Wars movies. So, Herbert Spencer was the original orchstrator on the first three movies (New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi). More of that, he's been credited on Rogue One: A Star Wars Story as orchestrator. All other people usually works with John Williams, except Mark Graham, who's heading music preparation in almost every Hollywood movies now (Jo Ann Kane Music Services)I am increasingly seeing two separate credits for the orchestration role: one being the usual "Orchestrated By" and the other is this "Additional Orchestrations" credit. I can understand what one might mean by "additional music" but what differentiates these two orchestration roles from one another?
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The Dark Knight (2 CD Special Edition)
Label: Warner Bros. Records
Length: 146'04
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    CD1

  1. Why So Serious? (9:14)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. I'm Not A Hero (6:34)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Harvey Two-Face (6:16)
    James Newton Howard
  4. Aggressive Expansion (4:35)
    Hans Zimmer
  5. Always A Catch (1:39)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  6. Blood On My Hands (2:16)
    James Newton Howard
  7. A Little Push (2:42)
    James Newton Howard
  8. Like A Dog Chasing Cars (5:02)
    Hans Zimmer
  9. I Am The Batman (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad (2:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  11. Agent Of Chaos (6:55)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  12. Introduce A Little Anarchy (3:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  13. Watch The World Burn (3:47)
    James Newton Howard
  14. A Dark Knight (16:15)
    Hans Zimmer
    CD2

  1. Bank Robbery (Prologue) (5:24)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. Buyer Beware (2:56)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Halfway To Hong Kong (3:43)
    James Newton Howard
  4. Decent Men In An Indecent Time (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  5. You're Gonna Love Me (4:41)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard, Lorne Balfe
  6. Chance (3:34)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  7. You Complete Me (4:50)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
  8. The Ferries (9:57)
    Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard, Henry Jackman
  9. We Are Tonight's Entertainment (5:37)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  10. A Watchful Guardian (6:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  11. Why So Serious? (The Crystal Method Remix) (5:30)
  12. Poor Choice Of Words (Paul van Dyk Remix) (6:15)
  13. Gunpowder And Gasoline (Mel Wesson Remix) (4:34)
  14. Rory's First Kiss (Ryeland Allison Remix) (6:04)
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BeamKnight reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-05 00:00:00
Don't you have any idea of giving the same shot on BATMAN BEGINS? (- -)

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-04 00:00:00
DemonStar,
You're right, I hope this opens the door for more Zimmer Complete Score releases. He really deserves that. And as a big big fan of the BHD score, I'd say it should be the next one ! The official score CD didn't featured much music used in the movie. Let's pray. :)

byte19 reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-03 00:00:00
this was released for me!! you don't want to double dip? pity for you! and you are no Bat-Fan, or Zimmer fan for that matter! you should just leave the site and never come back. you know who you are!!

klugizzle reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-03 00:00:00
...a complete zimmer score! cool! but i will not buy this thing. i spend 25,95€ (33 dollars) for the Bonus Packaging-Edition of the score. and now they want me to pay another 45,95€ (58 dollars) for this 2cdpack?
excuse me warner rec! this is nuts! why'd they bring out the second cd as a stand-alone score like "more music from the dark knight"? this is in german so called "geldschneiderrei" or "abzocke"!

Saix reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-01 00:00:00
The track Agent of Chaos is missing some cue in between. The cue is when Batman kicks the door in and finds out he was tricked. The Joker theme in that part was a little longer. Also the last part of Agent of Chaos was a little longer. But oh well

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-11-01 00:00:00
I hope this is followed by many more Zimmer expanded scores which deserve it, like The Lion King, PoTC, BHD etc. But for now, I'm eagerly looking forward to this!

Geoffrey reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-31 00:00:00
and if you've got the first edition you'll have it in double......It's outrageous to be screwed like this!!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-30 00:00:00
I can't waur for a comerical complete score.

Joshua reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-27 00:00:00
CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-27 00:00:00
Cool !

Are the End Credits included in A Watchful Guardian ? Does someone has the durations of these new tracks ?

Thanks again M Zimmer and Newton Howard and Co!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
please release BB 2CD !

Brian reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
I'm getting it! That movie has made, and will continue to make so much money off of me.

Lee reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
from Amazon

'The Dark Knight: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack' returns with the ASCAP-winning composers from Batman Begins- Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard for a powerful orchestral score. The Special Edition features the complete score on two CD's plus four bonus remix tracks; it also contains an 8x8x40 page hardbound book.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Heaven be praised, the FIRST official Zimmer expanded score ever! No more crappy bootlegs to hunt for this one!

Kudos, Warner Bros.!! :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
The first official Zimmer expanded release was The Prince of Egypt, if I remember correctly.

Lee reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Not expanded. Complete!

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Well I didn't see that coming.

me reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Not a big fan of the cover art, but nonetheless I'll be purchasing this 2cd set. I can't wait to get my hands on it!

Klaas reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Nice, but I feel no need for more to be honnest. I'm quite satisfied with the standard release, it has all the music I wanted to have.

On a sidenote; 'More Music From Gladiator' offered extra music in a legal way as well. The two Gladiator cd's together came pretty close to what I consider as 'Expanded'.

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
The first official Zimmer expanded release was The Prince of Egypt, if I remember correctly.

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Please explain !

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
If the tracklist is correct, it would seem CD1 is the same as the one disc release, while CD2 offers all the new stuff... (?)

Now I don't know this score very well (yet), nor have I seen the film (yet) ;), but in many (if not most/all) cases with Zimmer's music on CD he leaves out short bits and pieces of some cues (with the music still 'flow' like it was originally made like that), probably to make it a better listening experience (although in most cases I disagree), so if that was done for the CD of The Dark Knight, and CD1 of this new 2CD set is the same as the single disc one, it most likely will be missing some short moments in certain cues ... same thing with different cues being mixed/faded together (which I'm also are not a fan of) ... for me a good expanded/complete edition of a score should contain each cue separately (with clean start/end ... if you understand what I mean by that).

But as I mentioned, I haven't seen the film (yet), so maybe the music on the single disc release (and now CD1 of this new) are actually the complete cues as originally made... and that disc 2 contains complete cues, and not edited (shortened) in any way ... and hopefully also without and crappy dialogue !!

Kusi reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
Maybe there will be a definitive tracklist, because the description write about a complete score release and the first disc contains "only" the mixed tracks from the previous released ost... For me is a complete score a chronological ordered 2-cd-set :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
@Per

There was a limited Collector's Edition release for Prince of Egypt which had a couple of never-before-released cues.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
The Dark Knight 2 CD !


:O

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
I'm fully aware of the "Selections From The Prince Of Egypt" CD, I have it (of course ;)) ... but I don't consider it an "expanded" release (even though it have 3 new/unreleased (great !) cues). Besides, this was actually never widely distributed (not sold in regular stores), but only (originally) available through Walmart ... but now it's not difficult to find, even for a descent prize...

I'm with you on that one, Kusi ;)

Feared reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-26 00:00:00
I don't think they'll release a 2cd set which has all the tracks in order, because I'm sure Warner has thousands of preproduced Dark Knight cds which must be sold, so this new set is a new opportunity to sell the rest.

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