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why no cd release?Haha!  Wear the mask. how fitting.yap. and all of the alternates :PI want that "Final Confrontation" cue so much!Most of them are done actually and should have been released a while ago !
Hybrid why is HZ scoring so many films lately, has he placed a bet with himself or something? lol<br><br>Looking forward to it. Boss Baby was a really fun score.I'm confident he would care. Not saying he has any control over it. <br>I don't think Mondo should be making any money from this release. It ought to be canceled and removed from their website. <br><br>It's more than just a tempo issue. The tone is entirely off, and parts that were once pleasing to hear, now sound awful to my ears.<br><br>Seems Mondo is lacking the proper quality control. Hopefully this is a wake up call for them. If enough people avoid buying this album or return it, they'll get the message. I like to see capitalism work properly. <br>Maybe Pope is involved.Great news! The first one is fun, not Zimmer’s best animated score imo but it’s still pretty enjoyable. I almost wish they got Conrad Pope involved again, “Love” is one of the most beautiful cues of the past few years.The first one was quite pretty good.
We knew Steve would return for quite some time, but I was surprised Hans would actually return too. But he's very involved with that one.Who is Hans Zimmerman?i want it so much <3I guess it's only fair that they do shoulder the blame, considering again that releases like these aren't really the norm for them. I still wouldn't expect a recall and replacement, since it'd be a lot of money down the drain there. Their loss ultimately at the end of the day.<br><br>A bit disappointed about the content being the exact same as the leak, as I would've liked some of the film edits or at least the alt mixes I've seen pop up. I guess I'll just have to hope Disney does end up cooperating with LLL sooner than later.You gotta realize one thing, most of the time, Hans doesn't even know about these releases (and honestly I think he doesn't care). Only a few labels like LLL play ball and have him involved (but as Hans doesn't own most of his music, they have no other reason than courtesy to do so).<br><br>As for MI2, people who complained about the "content" instead of the tech aspect of it were goddamn wrong. Yes, the film mixes / OST mixes are pretty different. Because you have suites & sometimes material specifically arranged for the album or alternate cues.<br><br>Mondo having released the final mixes (and I know what Paramount provided them, it's just exactly the same 2 CD set copy that leaked years ago), I have no problem if the content is different.<br><br>And that's the topic on which they answered, James. Technically, they're not wrong, but they are ditching the REAL problem, for which they are responsible for ! The speed issue is on them, not on what they got.
Considering the recent issues with the isolated score on Days of Thunder's 4K release sounding very inconsistent, I do wonder if Paramount has simply been poor in preserving stuff. Especially when they mention the studio and not the record label, which might've had a better copy on hand (they did finally put the OST on digital recently, after all).<br><br>I am not going to hold Mondo responsible for this, especially considering they normally do just press the regular OSTs onto LPs. I don't expect them to be fully privy to if a score sounds fine or not, since they're often just given the stuff prepared for them. Besides, repressing records would be a super expensive ordeal, especially with how limited they're often designed to be now.<br><br>And honestly: since no one has made the comparison to Sherlock 2 yet, how bad sounding is it really? I'd much rather it be slightly off than it being complete trash like the Perseverance release of Rain Man was. If HZ was able to let that slide once, then he won't be so worked up over a small tempo issue.So this is what Mondo had to say about their massive screw up. I've never heard something so stupid in my life. If I had a direct line to Hans Zimmerman himself I'd call him about this. I'm sure he would be interested to know they butchered his album. <br><br>"Hi James,<br><br>I talked with the soundtracks department and here's what they had to say:<br><br>We’ve been made aware of a discrepancy between how the audio sounds on our album versus how it was previously released in original releases.<br><br>Our masters came directly from the studio and from original recording sessions, and we did not do any adjustments to the masters in post other than standard vinyl mastering process. But it seems any previous post production on those original releases, and cues used in the film itself, are absent from our release and may account for the differences you notice.<br><br>We currently do not have any plans on remastering the score."<br>Great. Thx.<br><br>Score has much similarities with Sherlock, so there is many of Lorne's cues...Known credits are Runaway Train for Mazzaro (was on his website), for Andrew K : The Rangers, Cannibal, Dead Rangers & Finish Him (on his Soundcloud). Geoff is the only guy with Ann Marie Simpson that got the privilege of cuesheet credit.
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<br>Battle of Aughrim arrangement (so everything lifted from "Silver") is Hans & Ann Marie.
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<br>Geoff did a good part of the score, every other classical pieces arrangements are his (so, everywhere the William Tell Overture appears). Train Chase, the End Credits, This Is A Robbery.
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<br>The stuff that sounds more or less like Sherlock have definitely Lorne. And I suspect a bit more epic drama have RGW.Hello there!<br>Hybrid, do we have some composer's credits on this score?<br>Or this is situation like on Transformers score?<br><br>Somewhere I read that Geoff Zanelli helped Hans on Train Chase (pts 1&2), Mazzaro did Runaway Train and Kawczynski did like 2 or 3 tracks (the rangers, finish him). Is that correct?<br><br>btw good score, not genius, but pretty good action score.<br><br>
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Angels & Demons
Label: Sony Classics
Length: 54'17
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson
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Kerem KOBUL reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
To be honest so far i thought that even Zimmer has been repeating himself in his works for a while; every soundtrack resembled one another and you could feel the motives of Badelt, Doyle etc. in various scores. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect there would be another original, authentic, unique score like the last samurai, gladiator or as good as it gets soundtracks, I was even disappointed by the score of da vinci code. However, this work has got the privilege of being one of your masterpieces, Hans, great job, well done. Last but not least, THANK YOU for producing sucha good work.

Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
Don't forget Pirates of the Caribbean. Hans wrote the iconic main theme for the first one and pulled off the other two with flying colors, in my opinion.

Schwarzaugen reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
the greatest composer ever and fprever! all the time is hans zimmer
you are the god of music danke HANS ZIMMER

Anon-Y-Mous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-15 00:00:00
Film order edit:
1. Main titles
2. Antimatter
3. Sealing Conclave
4. To Raphael's Tomb
5. Air
6. Fire
7. Cross Rome
8. The Illuminati Church
9. The Camerlengo's Destiny
10. Election By Adoration
11. The Cross Keys
12. Immolation
13. The Last Preferiti
15. End Credits (I60 BPM)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
My theory about all this : Before hans wrote around 90-100 % of his soundtracks, and 90 % of his arrangements. Thin Red Line for instance , was completely hans, thats the true hans. All the melanesian chants are arranged by klaus Badelt. The rest of the orchestral dramatic score is 100 % Zimmer.


Same thing for Rain man, crimson tide, backdraft, lion king , peacemaker, as good as it gets, its true hans. Even if for lion king , in the movie you can hear 1 or 2 tracks that are clearly not hans but more Nick glennie smith ( and these are the LESS interesting tracks by the way, go figure.. :) )

For me, one of the last Zimmer solo effort in recent years is Gladiator. It was the last Zimmer soundtrack to be composed almost entirely by him. Progeny, The battle, Earth, honor him.. its all Zimmer. The result is a great soundtrack , one of his most famous soundtrack... go figure ;)

Oh no , I dont mean Zimmer is less good nowadays, it's still great. But the method changed. Zimmer writes big suites, from fifteen to fifty minutes long, where he develops all the themes, with detailed arrangements. Then he gives these suites to his additionnal writers and they "apply" the themes on one particular scene of the movie.
Then he gives lot of directions on how one cue must sound, express, etc... He's not laying on santa monica beach while his ghost writers work hard in a deep cave :D

This is an interesting method, and after all , it's still Zimmer writing, zimmer point of view. When i hear henry jackman solo score, atli orvarsson Babylon A.D, man I think it sounds good but that it lacks something. It lacks a personal voice, it lacks a memorable melody ( can you sing a melody in babylon AD ? )
So all this to say Zimmer scores are still Zimmer. It's just a little less personal than it was in the beginning of his career.

Pridelander/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I didn't intend to participate this kind of discussion (it occurs everywhere and never ends!) but just one thing to say...

>no name
>My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

Multiple people credited doesn't always mean Zimmer worked less, I believe. From what I've heard (in Zimmer's interviews or Casi Divas director's blog, The Weather Man making video, etc.), his process, at least on projects like The Holiday, is more teamwork-oriented, or "rock band" type process. He gathers musicians (instrumentalists, vocalists, fellow composers) in his room, and they "jam" his tunes, improvise, give ideas and opinions, and discuss together.

Is this kind of process wrong? I don't think so. I even think he couldn't create something like The Holiday without other musicians... What I love about this score is, that it feels like I'm in a room filled with musicians. Isn't it great? :)

Of course projects like Pirates 1 must be different. I don't know about Simpsons, which I don't have. But I just wanted to say many names in credits doesn't mean bad quality.

Bettmusicmaker reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I love the music. I don't care who wrote how much ... it's awesome!

I came to this site to find out about the lyrics, especially for 160 BPM. It seems like others are wondering, too. So, I went to my sources in the music industry and learned that this is a real choir -- no synthesizer! It's the Los Angeles Master Chorale. Apparently they are not listed on the CD jacket due to licensing issues. (I don't think anyone understands how Hollywood works!)

I've been told that the text is Latin (as expected). My sources are working on getting the actual text; once I have that information I will post it here for others.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
He wrote around 4 hours of music for Lion King too, I remember. Only about 65 min was used in the final film. The man's really hard working, hehe.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
@DemonStar

That's my point. He was hard working man. Now it seems that he prefers to others do his job.

@Adrian
There is hope
http://www.petitiononline.com/ttrlcut/petition.html

maybe with film they will release 5/6 CD complete score:)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Well, he still does most of the job and the RC people "polish" it a bit and provide a few additional cues.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
I think he gives credit to whoever worked on the tracks with him. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Don't record companies they can make millions if they're going to release ''complete directoral box sets'' or whatever a promotion bureau thinks of it?

and yes, i heard more of the theory that you're talking about... more like a supervising composer.
but, i still like his work a lot! i dont mind how many people are involved, as long they are credited or when it sounds very very good :P

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
That is a lot... I heard he also wrote 5 hours for BHD, but I do think that his students have contributed a lot on Prince of Egypt/ Thin red Line. But that's just me, perhaps you're right.. Perhaps I am, we will never know for sure. Or they will have to release a complete score someday someway hehe

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
No 100% but I bet over 85% (Hans wrote over 6 hrs of music for TRL).

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
"As a young student of art, Langdon had wondered how single artists could create so *much* work in their lifetimes. Later he learned, much to his disappointment, that famous artists actually created very little of their own work. They ran studios where they trained young artists to carry out their designs. Sculptors like Bernini created miniatures in clay and hired others to enlarge them into marble. Langdon knew that if Bernini had been required to *personally* complete all of his commissions, he would still be working today."
- Angels & Demons, chapter 84

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I don't hate Hans or any other composer. I love his work. But I don't like his politics to use others work.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
''No name'' read what Skyler quoted.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Adrian I completely agree with you.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I prefer one great album a year than 6 medium. Look what Hans did in 1998 - Thin Red Line and Prince of Egypt - 2 absolutely stunning scores. I just prefer quality over quantity. But i can understand that he want's to help his students - although I don't like it.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Thanks I Love You Hans :)

No name, do you think The thin red Line or the Prince of Egypt are 100% Hans?
Guess again :)

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I don't think that Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are better than Crimson Tide or The Rock or The Thin Red Line, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, BHD, Tears of sun, The Da Vinci Code or Angels & Demons and let's not say Batman Begins & The Dark Knight because those two albums only are better than Williams whole career, and I'm not surprised that you're Williams fan because Zimmer's Attackers always are :) I think no one can be a fan of both you can never love both because they're different styles but i think Hans is better.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Yeah, Holiday - 2 tracks by hz (most of it was copied from Once Upon a Time in America), rest by co-workers; The Simpsons - same case. When i'm listening JW album ( or any other music composer that actually writes entire album), i know that "music by john williams" is a true statement. When i'm listening HZ albums, i'm wondering - who made this?

Like I've said: last few years bring 2 or 3 masterpiece albums, others are solid, but nothing extraoridinary.


@ I Love You Hans

Don't compare JW and HZ - Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - those albums won't die. HZ wrote few unforgetible themes, but...

I'm not here! reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Hey "I Love You Hans"... I like both! John Williams and Hans Zimmer are my favourite composers. True their type of soundtrack is different... So SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Are you a anti-John Williams fan??? You sound like one!

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Williams is good but Hans WoW he's unbelievable he's really better than Williams IMO, I'm not saying that Williams is bad but he's not the god of music, also James Newton Howard is one of the greatest and most talented composers ever and he's better than Williams, also hating or loving Williams isn't the question that you'll find its answer here you're in the wrong place baby, also most of the people who attacks Zimmer most of them are Williams fans and thats true ''no name'' is an example. So live with that and don't be angry.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I do not think it is possible to say so easily who is better than who.
And you cannot compare Hans and Johns style of composing, they're completely different.
@ ''I love you Hans''; it's generally personal to say ''(...) is better than (...), thats the beautiful thing about music; there millions of styles and million kinds of taste.
The comparison of Jaws with the Crimson Tide... Let's put it this way: you're now comparing a dangerous shark with a human built submarine. How can you say ''I like the submarine more'' what's your argumentation for that?
Funny how this example resembles the musical styles of both composers too :P

Personally, I think John is a very good composer but not always very ''easy listening''.

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
edit : *no name*

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
noone listen to no mane. he's just trolling.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
Well and i said 125 amazing albums, Amazing Albums.

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