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Seville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?
Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
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  1. Half Remembered Dream (1:12)
  2. We Built Our Own World (1:56)
  3. Dream Is Collapsing (2:24)
  4. Radical Notion (3:43)
  5. Old Souls (7:44)
  6. 528491 (2:24)
  7. Mombasa (4:54)
  8. One Simple Idea (2:28)
  9. Dream Within A Dream (5:04)
  10. Waiting For A Train (9:30)
  11. Paradox (3:25)
  12. Time (4:36)
  13. Projections (7:04) *
  14. Don't Think About Elephants (5:35) *
*Bonus tracks available at InceptionScore.com
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Peter reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-11 00:00:00
When I watched the movie last week, i did not know, that the music was written by Hans Zimmer. The end of the movie was brilliant both the picture and the music, until that moment, i did not observe what i heard, probably, because the music was perfect to the movie, did not distract my attention from it.

So thanks for the experience. :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-11 00:00:00
"Warner Bros. Records will make available two previously unreleased bonus tracks to fans who sign up via email at the soundtrack’s website www.inceptionscore.com The two bonus tracks, “Projections” and “Don’t Think About Elephants,” will go live at noon PT on Thursday, August 12th."

Yes!!! Huge thanks to Hans and Hybrid Soldier, here's to hoping both tracks are long and amazing!

The only bad part is that 12:00pm PST is 3:00 EST. :(

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
@TomPoland it's a disorder. Babypunchitis.

On another note has anyone heard any news on the next batman ost? Here's hoping Zimmer and Howard tear it up again.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
@JusticCat i'm fairly certain Zimmer is in, but I'm not so sure about Howard. I'm super excited for it, The Dark Knight's soundtrack was phenominal. Hopefully Howard returns (it wouldn't be the same without him) and we get a 2CD set like last time. Can't wait.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
no doubt we will because im sure its gonna be a big hit like dark knight was. i just hope they will release some bonus music from batman begins in the future too

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
But the 2 CD should be normal edition, not some 'take more money from fans' edition after 4 months. And i can't imagine Batman without Howard's touch and his beautiful themes.

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
MASTERPIECE !!!!! :__:

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
"time" is awesome!!

Dan Jeffery reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-10 00:00:00
Who is the drummer in Mombasa, and how much is a synthysiser?

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-09 00:00:00
@Kokenovem - you and me both. That song plagues me daily. I'd seriously punch a baby to get that song.

* I DO NOT CONDONE THE PUNCHING OF BABIES, UNLESS THE BABY WAS PUNCHED AS A SIGN OF LOVE TO HANS ZIMMER*

Kidding. . . But seriously, I would. :|

alexd7 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-09 00:00:00
Very nice site!

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-09 00:00:00
@JustinCat

You are sick. And I'm not kidding.

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Pauline reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-09 00:00:00
Juste du grand art, comme d'habitude.
Hans Zimmer, mon compositeur préféré depuis ma découverte de Gladiator, et qui est bien parti pour le rester !
Congratulation !

Kokenovem reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-08 00:00:00
Hi! First, the soundtrack of Inception is, again, another of the masterpieces of Hans...
Second, I'm desperately looking for the song of the second trailer of Inception, Hans Zimmer, ### EDITED ###

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-08 00:00:00
But Zimmer could say to Nolan: I think your idea isn't very good, let's try something traditional. Or illustrate one scene actually looking at her, not just knowing what it looks like. Just to show he's idea. I think Zimmer has something to say when it comes to composing.

I've watched film once, and to be honest I payed more attention to story than to music and other 'technicalities' so maybe my judgment is not completely fair.

Gordon reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-08 00:00:00
Have friends from when you was gigging in south London. You aa
Are still the dogs bollocks for a new generation of film/clasical music. Play on !

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-07 00:00:00
@TomPoland

I think you fail to read what you type, or fail to type what you mean. You said "I think Zimmer should reconsider his approach. Stop this 'standalone' compositions and visit filmset and editor room more often" - implying it was Zimmer's choice to be hands off for Inception. HZGui stated it wasn't Zimmer's choice, you then acknowledged you knew it wasn't Zimmer's choice, and still you stood by your original criticism, which has nothing to do with Zimmer - it has to do with Nolan.

Your comments and viewpoints lose any positive addition to our conversations on here, which honestly is my only gripe with you. I love having another opinion on a subject - But it better be consistent, thought out, and informed.

Your views are welcome - just be a little more consistent, and less negative for the sake of being negative.

Nathalie reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-07 00:00:00
Zimmer, you're brilliant ! Love every soundtrack of yours ! Here's a fan from Brazil !

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-06 00:00:00
@HZgui
I know all of this. I know what Nolan asked. But I prefer when composer, director and editor meet more often. Not mickey-mousing but I wish that music was connected with picture more. As standalone CD - 4,5/5, in movie - 3/5.

Sometimes this is a good way of working (magnificent Thin Red Line - music was composed before shooting the movie), but in my opinion this time that approach was wrong.

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
TomPoland- Have you ever read an interview? Chris Nolan asked Zimmer to write a score without knowing anything about the movie but that it's a movie about dream and mind heist, and without watching anything... So Do not tell Zimme how he must work :).
Look Zimmer works with script generally, he tries to be on the set, to get a lot of info about the movie before starting to write anything about it. This time Nolan push him a little further...

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
A band I play with (ambient rock) are looking into playing songs from inception with a little more of a rock vibe (still will have strings and horns and some synth) - as soon I have some more concrete details Ill post them here. We are thinking of playing at a con next year.

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
When listening - nice very climatic score. But while watching (BTW superb film) it didn't fit very well (IMO of course). Time and Mombasa are fitted best, but the rest... I think Zimmer should reconsider his approach. Stop this 'standalone' compositions and visit filmset and editor room more often. What worked with batman, not necessarily work with non-action movie.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
On Hans his facebook page: Hans Zimmer wants to thank everyone for helping us get over the 200,000 fans milestone! Please keep spreading the word to everyone you know - we have some great surprises in store!

Let's hope they are talking about the bonus tracks.

I already want to thank Hybrid Soldier in advance :)

Norm reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
Well, I just love the Inceptions score. "Time" fits the end of the movie so perfect. It's a very good score because it works without the movie (but the movie won't work without this score).

Antas, Webmaster reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
@tompoland

Please speak about the score of Inception (you like it or not , why...). If you can't then don't post. Thank you

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
Could you please just don't react to his posts ?

You don't see that's his point, he wants reaction...


Just ignore him... ;)

Bou reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
My god , it's a 7 years old dudes talkback here again? stupid comments about which composer has the biggest D...CK? How pathetic :(

Victor reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
@tompoland

I think u need to shut up.
I can assure u u cant ever ever be a musician 1 day

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-08-05 00:00:00
And James Newton Howard is more skilled than Hans. His Shyamalan scores destroys every score that Hans did since 2000.

OK, I've said it, now bring wood and oil and finish it.

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