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Seville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?
Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
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Inception
Label: WaterTower Music
Length: 61'49
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  1. Half Remembered Dream (1:12)
  2. We Built Our Own World (1:56)
  3. Dream Is Collapsing (2:24)
  4. Radical Notion (3:43)
  5. Old Souls (7:44)
  6. 528491 (2:24)
  7. Mombasa (4:54)
  8. One Simple Idea (2:28)
  9. Dream Within A Dream (5:04)
  10. Waiting For A Train (9:30)
  11. Paradox (3:25)
  12. Time (4:36)
  13. Projections (7:04) *
  14. Don't Think About Elephants (5:35) *
*Bonus tracks available at InceptionScore.com
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Cold Kat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-30 00:00:00
Really liked the score.
Waaaaaaay too much music used in the movie though.
Less is more...when its wall to wall... you kinda switch off.
It could have been used to greater effect-Pity.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-29 00:00:00
I consider it an intelligent score. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien slowed down makes up the theme of Inception, and that song is used a lot in the film too. Time slows down in a dream, so does the music.

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-29 00:00:00
The theme of Inception? NO
the intro? YES ;)
It is really cool, HZ still has his creativity :)

SockMonsta reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-29 00:00:00
HI can anyone tell me what is the intrument used in the soundtrack 528491 at around 2:20 mins into the track?
Thank you

Prott reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-29 00:00:00
SockMonsta: I think it`s a waterphone.

ilwalaska reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-29 00:00:00
i just like hans zimmer. true, he sounds the same after 5 1/2 hours and 360 road miles, but everyone does. i actually don't have this soundtrack quite yet, but i'm looking forward to it.

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
JustinCat- You and I are Zimmer lovers and I know what you're talkin about ;)

Still, I'm confusing about this music. It's maybe a new remix from ryeland allison afterall?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
Hello Hybrid Soldier,

Any updates on the release of these bonus tracks already?

Greetings!

David Martingale reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
For those who are wondering about the trailers for Inception, the music was NOT composed by Hans Zimmer, but rather by Zack Hemsey and Mike Zarin, specifically for the trailers.

Victor reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
@justin cat & HZgui
guys, u dont need to fight about this, I can tell u the truth. I know about it all, i search a lor int he web so what im about to tell u is the truth, so listen:
There were 3 trailers released before the movie,
N.1 the '' broooooooommmmmmm'' sound that we hear is the work of zimmer along with an extract of the dark knight.
N.2 the ''brooooooooommmmmmmmm'' still exists and this theme from the track 528491 is added with a different kind of remix, (also done by zimmer), that is only playing in the IMAX theaters just before the movie.
N.3 The ''brrooooooooooommmmmmmm'' still and still exists, but this time the strings and the rest is done by this zack hemsey guy, that i really think he made the trailer worse than the 2 others before, he just couldnt give the spirit of the movie.
That's the whole truth.
So enjoy the brilliant work of Hans Zimmer guys.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
Be patient padawans, be patient...

I haven't left the place... ;)

I'll tell you more when I'll know more ! :P

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
Victor- Were not fighting together. We are just talking about good music :). And especially Zimmer's music for Inception. Look, the idea is to know who composed the music. That 's all about what we're doing.
And I know that JustinCat and I will be so happy when we will hear new stuff new materials from Inception.

Hybrid Soldier- Come on dude we want it. ^^ No I'm kidding take your time. We'll have to give thanks to you if we get new tracks.

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
Yea, any new stuff from inception would be amazing, Mr.Zimmer really killed it with this movie. I believe "time" is slightly different in the movie, i heard johnny marr in it, and I wants it (said with a golem voice).

But I really want the 2nd trailer. I just cant help but obssess over it. If anyone finds it or obtains a promo copy I'll gladly do anything to get my hands on that track. :)

@David Martingale - I wont even start the argument back up lol, but part of trailer 2 was written by Zimmer, its more than likely a remix by someone else though. Either way it's sweeeet.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-28 00:00:00
This Score is not a Masterpiece. Ca. 50 minutes Of Score in 2,5 Hour Movie?...I don´t Understand.
Mombasa is the Highlight of this Score.... And I Wait So Long Of It.... :-(

Aigerim reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
It's just Fantastic Composer! Just Amazing Songs!!Masterpiece-MOVIE!!!

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
TDK was 2h28 Zimmer composed 6hours of music now what?

Don't need an expanded score...just 2-4 tracks more (10-20 twenty minutes more). It is enough...

we don't need the music in the trailer... It is not zimmer's work. If you want it, find it on youtube and use download helper trough firefox that's the best you can do. But there will be no place for trailers/teasers music in the score. IT IS NOT ZIMMER'S WORK!!! (except one piece of music but it's too short and we already have 528491 to represent this short passage).

We want Zimmer's Work not Hempsey's work

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
Hold your horses. 2 cd is 160 minutes. Film is 148.

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Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
3 CDs? Gosh, do you guys think that's enough? Personally, I don't think anything below 5 will do ;)

Fox reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
Personally i LOVE this soundtrack but i'd very much love an expanded one, 2-3CDs since the official has a few missing pieces i was really looking forward to hearing (the music played in the trailers/towards the end of the film for example)

I for one support and will most certainly buy an extended soundtrack if and when its released!! =D

simon reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
really liked the soundtrack, some of it reminded me of boards of canada.

Victor reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
The second 1st and d 2nd trailer is done by hans zimmer, and the 3rd trailer is just a mix of the first trailer music, this composer used the bass brass sound and just added some strings and some add-ons.

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
@HZgui the second trailer is Hans Zimmer, and I definitely want it. Hempsey did the third trailer with his song "Mind Heist".

The second trailer made me so excited to see Inception, and is definitely a piece of music that should be released. I don't want to listen to a crap quality rip off YouTube with dialogue interspersed.

Why be opposed to getting more awesome music?

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
JustinCat- I heard the music from the trailer one again. The broum (like the end of 528491) at the end is the only thing that Zimmer may have composed. The rest of it is from someone else. This piece of music is not in the movie. It is just a teaser-like music. It has nothing to do with what we hear in the soundtrack and in the movie, and has nothing to do with Zimmer's work... I can make the difference between Zimmer sound and copycat.
Maybe it is Zimmer but the only thing that looks like with what Zimmer did on the movie is the broum at the end. The first minute isn't Zimmer's work I'm sure.
And by the way it is not that good... listen to all the tracks in the score and you'll find something better everywhere...which means in any single track of it ;)

I'm not opposed to get more awesome music but I don't give a damn about Hempsey's work or about any trailers track....I just want more Zimmer music from Inception (at least 10-20 minutes, more? why not but there's nothing to add, all the cues are almost there...), and ONLY Inception.
Zimmer does not compose music for trailers currently...(what you hear in TDK's trailers was Zimmer's reworked music...).

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
@HZgui Are you listening to the same trailer I am? The total length of the second trailer is 1:21. The "borum" your referring to is the horns, but besides that, the strings (violin/cello/viola) with the slight reverse delay are straight out of 528491, I'll chalk it up to you maybe not viewing the same trailer, or perceiving a different trailer to be the second one, but it is most definitely a stand out track by zimmer. I hate to throw out credentials, but as a composer for videogames/independent film, I can tell you that is Zimmer, it is amazing, and it should be included.

N.B. It is possible someone was hired to remix parts of the orchestration zimmer had composed for the trailer, but the composition is zimmer through and through. Before I knew he was associated with the movie I saw that trailer and said "that's gotta be Hans Zimmer".

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
It is important because the trailer music sets the pace for the movie. As a crappy pun, it is inception, it plants an idea and sets a tone for a film. This piece is crazy epic, I want it simply because it is such an exciting piece of music, written by zimmer (although I do agree it could be a remix, the initial piece used was written by zimmer).

This trailer completely sold me. The music was almost half the reason why. It conveyed chaos, dread, and emotion. Watching the trailer I completely stared without blinking, absorbing everything by being entranced by this intense music.

It showed me the movie without showing me the movie (I'm well aware that statement is confusing - I mean that it related key themes both visually and musically and really prepared me for what this film could be without ruining or spoiling key information from the film)

It is almost better than the track "time" but they are so different its hard to compare them, completely different in terms of what emotions they are trying to evoke.

I've been talking about this trailer track since december, reading every post about it, on any website. It's not Hempsey, he stood up and took credit for his track mind heist pretty quick. The first trailer was by a sencit music, but all they did was take the brooding horn zimmer uses and layered it with some ambient strings and sounds. The second trailer hit me in the face and said "here's the movie you've been waiting for - best movie ever - don't miss a single second. Love, Hans motha' f'in zimmer".

I've been determined to get it without any vocal or background audio included in the trailer. The last time I felt like this about a piece of music was with John Murphy's "in the house, in a heartbeat".

I've seriously considered "extracting" it from my local regal....but I'm going to need a good architect.

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
JustinCat-528491 is not the same or slightly different. In terms of progression I see what you mean ;)

The percussion are totally different (I listen to the moment just before the broum and this is almost the same percs in Mind heist).
The mix is totally different too. But this is just my point of view.

Okay I agree, it "sounds like" 528491 but it's a remix at best...nothing more (I'm a DJ and a Zimmer fan for so long...).

I'm curious as to why it is so important to put a remix version of 528491, that is not in the movie, that was using in a trailer? This track simply has nothing to do with the Score...the ORIGINAL soundtrack or the movie itself (it's not in the movie).

JustinCat reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
It's the same progression that he has in the film, it's not an argument, it just is. In the track 528491 he also is using either a phase filter or some sort of frequency sweeper, which causes it to sound slightly different. The speed and sound of the effects are different between the two, but the progression is the same. If you can't hear it, I can't teach you to, but anyone with composition or writing experience, wether orchestral or any other style, will tell you that is the same piece of music.

I'm curious as to why you think it isn't him?

HZgui reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
JustiCat- Well "I am impressed" haha lol. Maybe you're right maybe you're wrong. But I'm still not convinced. It can't be him.

Shahrouz reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-27 00:00:00
"Time" stands out in the score ; totally awesome in a way that lifts your spirit .

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