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ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 a bomb?<br><br>Wow!!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMA

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  1. This Is Berk (4:12)
    John Powell
  2. Dragon Battle (1:55)
    John Powell
  3. The Downed Dragon (4:16)
    John Powell, James McKee Smith
  4. Dragon Training (3:10)
    John Powell
  5. Wounded (1:25)
    John Powell
  6. The Dragon Book (2:22)
    John Powell
  7. Focus, Hiccup! (2:05)
    John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  8. Forbidden Friendship (4:10)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  9. New Tail (2:47)
    John Powell
  10. See You Tomorrow (3:52)
    John Powell
  11. Test Drive (2:35)
    John Powell
  12. Not So Fireproof (1:11)
    John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  13. This Time For Sure (0:47)
    John Powell
  14. Astrid Goes For A Spin (0:45)
    John Powell
  15. Romantic Flight (1:55)
    John Powell
  16. Dragon's Den (2:28)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  17. The Cove (1:10)
    John Powell, Michael John Mollo
  18. The Kill Ring (4:27)
    John Powell
  19. Ready The Ships (5:13)
    John Powell
  20. Battling The Green Death (6:18)
    John Powell
  21. Counter Attack (3:02)
    John Powell
  22. Where's Hiccup? (2:43)
    John Powell
  23. Coming Back Around (2:49)
    John Powell
  24. Sticks & Stones - Jónsi (4:08)
  25. The Vikings Have Their Tea (2:04)
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Zimson reply Replies: 6 || 2016-01-23 23:58:38
Does anyone know if Varese Sarabande releases will be up again anytime soon on streaming and download platforms in Europe? They were taken down due to a distribution change recently.

Hybrid Soldier2016-01-24 00:02:56
Yeah true I noticed KFP 2 OST was down... No idea though, good question !

Zimson2016-01-24 11:46:48
Yeah, many of Powell's scores are sadly not avaiable atm. Same goes for angels & demons oddly, though that one is sony.

Ds2016-01-24 16:38:48
That´s exactly why I still dont invest in streaming platforms, the music you love can disappear all of sudden. There is nothing like having your own collection :-)

Macejko2016-01-24 17:15:28
Amen, nothing beats a nice CD collection on the most prominent shelf :)

iMaximus952016-01-25 19:27:21
Had contact about it with Varese when they had disappeared they were supposed to be back up 01/01/2016 because Colloseum Records lost the rights to distribute to their catalogus. A company called 'Concord' is now their foreign distribution partner and is in the process of reselling them in the various european scores. According to Varese there are some issues with it they are attempting to resolve so the music will be back up soon

Zimson2016-02-20 22:17:54
Varese stuff is finally up again on spotify and iTunes. Thank god!

John Powell lover #1 reply Replies: 1 || 2016-02-18 17:24:55
John Powell’s music is so complex and full of themes. Here is a list of some of the themes from the first two movies alone:
The Viking theme,
the Flying theme,
Astrid’s theme,
Stoick’s theme,
Viking teens’ theme,
Evil dragon theme,
Valka’s theme,
Alphas’ theme,
Drago’s theme, Stoick and
Valka’s love theme,
the Exploring theme,
and Eret’s theme.
Not to mention the Toothless Peril theme, the lost and found theme,
the Dragon Vigilante theme, and a couple other nameless ones like the one heard in the beginning of track 16, ‘Dragon’s Den.’

John Powell lover #12016-02-18 17:56:48
The Viking theme is heard at 00:28 of ‘This is Berk’, movie 1
the Flying theme, is heard in ‘Test Trive’ movie 1
Astrid’s theme is heard in ‘Romantic Flight’ movie 1
Stoick’s theme is heard in the beginning of ‘Ready the Ships’ movie 1
Viking teens’ theme is heard at 01:41 of ‘Battling the Green Death ‘ movie 1
Evil dragon theme is heard at the beginning of ‘Dragon Battle’ movie 1
Valka’s theme is heard at the beginning of ‘Should I know you?’ movie 2
Alphas’ theme is heard at 1:51 in ‘Losing Mom/Meet the good Alpha’ movie 2
Drago’s theme is heard at the beginning of ‘Meet Drago’ movie 2
Stoick and Valka’s love theme, is heard in the beginning of ‘Hiccup Confronts Drago’ movie 2
the Exploring theme is heard at the beginning of ‘Together we map the World’ movie 2
Eret’s theme is heard in the beginning of ‘Toothless Lost’ movie 2
The Toothless Peril theme is actually the ‘Flying Theme’ converted to a minor key
the lost and found theme is heard at 00:11 of ‘Toothless found’ and at 1:00 of ‘Toothless Lost’ movie 2
The Dragon Vigilante theme is heard in the beginning of ‘Flying with Mother’ movie 2

Paul Kings reply Replies: 10 || 2014-07-06 03:14:47
I'm confused about Powell's status. Is he retiring from film scoring for good? Or just taking another break? Will he be scoring HTTYD3 and Kung Fu Panda 3??&#65279;

Hybrid Soldier2014-07-06 08:47:07
He'll just choose projects a lot more carefully.

Levraibond2014-07-06 22:34:56
Hi! ^^

According to IMDB he'll be scoring both HTTYD 3 and Kung Fu Panda 3.... I hope they're right!
Yipikai !

Paul Kings2014-07-08 03:18:23
Ok, that's god news! Why did he suddenly decide to choose projects a lot more carefully, though?

Anonymous2014-07-08 17:32:08
It wasn't sudden. He's being more choosy because he's sick of having directors ask him to sound like someone else.

Edmund Meinerts2014-07-08 18:16:34
That and I keep hearing how he wants to spend more time with his son.

Paul Kings2014-07-09 03:19:35
I understand... Family comes first... Thanks for the info, guys!

RealFfingMusic2014-07-09 13:22:47
Sorry if I sound like an idiot, but who asked John Powell to sound like . . . well, NOT John Powell.

Edmund Meinerts2014-07-09 15:49:07
I think the problem might actually have been of making him sound too much like John Powell; specifically, too much like the Bourne movies. That problem cropped up on Green Zone specifically thanks to Paul Greengrass and was probably the beginning of Powell's "disillusionment" period. That's why he didn't work on Captain Phillips (bullet dodged) - I wonder what poor bastard Greengrass will be able to recruit for his next movie, because it's sure as heck not going to be anyone from RC. Maybe Christophe Beck, whom former Powell collaborator Doug Liman managed to reduce to a drone machine as well. :/

Okay, that was a tangent. :P

Anonymous2014-08-30 04:02:03
i heard powell won't be scoring HTTYD3....this true??? :(

Lambegue2014-08-30 16:21:29
No, there was such a rumor some times ago but it has been officially said to be untrue.

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-05-17 00:17:55
Not sure why, but I have always loved the version of the Forbidden Friendship theme that plays from 1:06-1:24 in The Dragon Book. It's awesome.

Anonymous2014-05-17 00:21:15
whenever i listen to focus hiccup i see jason bourne leaping across rooftops xD

Mike2014-05-17 00:22:17
Yeah, it does definitely sound like Bourne at

Edmund Meinerts2014-05-17 00:54:14
Yeah, that darker version of the friendship theme is great. As I recall, it plays over Hiccup looking at all of the dangerous dragons in the book, so it kind of signifies what would happen if the "friendship" were to turn sour...Very clever thematic work from Powell. One of the reasons I love this score so much. :)

Mike2014-05-17 02:20:23
Indeed, it was when he got to the blank page saying how dangerous the Night Fury was.... ;)

dark prince reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-03 14:20:55
Epic masterpiece by John Powell, with an incredible variety of emotions to transmit, this is an awesome score than nothing must envy to the better scores of the greatest masters of the soundtracks, with brilliant moments of tenderness, comedy, adventure and action, it's regrettable John didn't win the oscar for this score

Geofcraze6342014-03-22 05:52:57
I agree, dark prince. But John Powell is still one of my very favorite composer I have ever heard especially his instruments were pretty impressive and amazing. :D

badbu reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-23 21:19:14
amazing score!!!

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-01 03:08:28
How much more music is on the complete score? Because I don't really remember any music not on this album.

Frisbee reply Replies: 0 || 2013-11-23 15:03:18
imdb already lists Gavin Greenaway as the conductor for the sequel score. Looks like they are pretty much wrapping up there. Can't wait!

Phil reply Replies: 0 || 2013-11-18 22:15:46
Great Music!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 6 || 2013-11-08 23:00:24
Exactly what is the extent of Paul Mounsey's involvement with "Forbidden Friendship"? That's one of my favorite cues of all time, and it makes me a little bit sad to think that it isn't purely a Powell composition. That's a little silly, I know, but we all have our fanboy weaknesses, and Powell happens to be mine.

It's like finding out my favorite Hans Zimmer cue is actually cowritten by Henry Jackman...oh wait, that happened too! :/

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Mike2013-11-08 23:44:40
Well, my friend, if feeling like this is "a little silly", then I guess I'm a little silly too. I had the exact same thought about both Forbidden Friendship and Marry Me (at least I assume you were referring to that).

Hybrid Soldier2013-11-08 23:50:32
In the end, does it really matter ? ;)

I mean to me the music does...

Edmund Meinerts2013-11-09 00:41:08
I guess not really. It's just one of those things. I was kinda hoping he's just the marimba player or something. :p

MacArthur2013-11-10 17:23:16
Good Point hybrid. and I know we all have our fanboy weaknesses. But like Hybrid said does it really matter, especially since all the cues you named are basically Zimmer and Powell anyway, and another thing it's great music so let's just enjoy it. these gus are all Hans Zimmer guys. anyway John Powell is great. so I'll guess the cue is mainly his.
just the same with up is down in POTC3. But hey even Guinness want some input here and their and feel lonely doing it by themselves.

Mike2013-11-10 19:20:03
It doesn't really matter, you're right. Good music will be good regardless of the person who wrote it. But there is a certain sense of let-down if you hold a composer in high esteem and have a favorite piece of music credited to said composer, only to learn that the genius behind that piece of music was not by that composer. To have really great pieces of music by a favorite composer is something which reinforces the reason he is your favorite. If someone else wrote that same piece of music, sure, it's still great, but it's not the same as being able to say, "X, my favorite composer, did this fantastic composition, and that's part of the reason I like him so much".

MacArthur2013-11-10 21:20:11
Whoa hold it. Who says the Up is Down part that is really good is not Zimmer or This one is not John Powell For all we know They could have wrote that and the other person did a string pattern. don't get to let down.

Paul reply Replies: 2 || 2013-09-10 14:45:30
Sorry for spamming HTTYD's page, but I was just looking at Powell's page here and there's a French film called "Au Bonheur Des Ogres" from 2013 where he's listed as the composer, but I can't find anything else regarding it online. Is it just a mistake or what? Anybody know?

Nicolas, Webmaster2013-09-10 16:02:07
John Powell seems not to be attached anymore on this french movie, released on october, the 16. Rolfe Kent seems to be the composer for this film.

Paul2013-09-14 18:19:51
I see, thank you!

Jimmy reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-09 15:51:57
Really looking forward to the sequel score!

Macejko reply Replies: 7 || 2013-07-12 14:10:08
Teaser for the sequel is out. Can anyone confirm that the music in it is a new Powell's cue? Because it sounds really nice.

Edmund Meinerts2013-07-13 16:53:53
Powell my ass. Sounds like generic trailer music to me.

anon2013-07-13 17:31:57
Very little trailer music is ever by the film's composer. This cue was done by Audiomachine.

Hybrid Soldier2013-07-13 17:34:07
Whoever scored the trailer, I can confirm ONE thing :

Powell is scoring HTTYD2... ;)

Edmund Meinerts2013-07-13 17:44:40
Thank Christ. I'll need something amazing to make up for the lack of Powell in 2013...and HTTYD 2 will fit the bill nicely. :D

Paul2013-07-13 18:49:13
Has Powell started writing anything for the sequel?

Mike2013-07-13 19:13:27
Laudate Dominum!

Blu2013-07-15 09:37:43
Good to know JP is back. 2013 hasn't been the same without his music. Hope he makes a sound return and takes us for an even wilder ride with this!

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2013-03-28 00:15:16
Just saw "The Croods"... the score was so nice i thought it was from Powell. Funny how the two last DreamWorks movies were scored by non-RCP composers, but were executed in a pure John Powell style.

Let's see how Henry Jackman will handle the next one!

Anonymous2013-03-28 06:31:21
Personally I didn't hear anything in Croods that reminded me of Powell. It sounds like a pure Silvestri score. One of the man's finest in years, I should add.

Now the Desplat one, that one felt like the composer had listened to cutthroat island a lot beforehand.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-02-23 04:10:08
Complete Score Recording Sessions and Demos

01 - 1m1 This Is Berk
02 - 1m2 Berk Intro (Synth)
03 - 1m2 Berk Intro
04 - 1m2alt Berk Intro (Alt.)
05 - 1m2alt Berk Intro (Synth)
06 - 1m6 Anybody See That (Synth)
07 - 1m6 Anybody See That
08 - 1m7a War Room (Synth)
09 - 1m7a War Room
10 - 1m7b Training/Out There
11 - 2m8 Hiccup Comes Home(Synth)
12 - 2m8 Hiccup Comes Home
13 - 2m9 Dragon Training (Synth)
14 - 2m9 Dragon Training
15 - 2m10 Wounded (Synth)
16 - 2m10 Wounded
17 - 2m11 The Dragon Book (Synth)
18 - 2m11 The Dragon Book
19 - 2m12 Hiccup Focus (Synth)
20 - 2m12 Hiccup Focus
21 - 2m13 Offering (Synth)
22 - 2m13 Offering
23 - 2m14 Forbidden Friendship (Synth)
24 - 2m14 Forbidden Friendship
25 - 2m15 New Tail (Synth)
26 - 2m15 New Tail
27 - 3m16 Teamwork (Synth)
28 - 3m16 Teamwork
29 - 3m17 Charming the Pziiffelback (Synth)
30 - 3m17 Charming the Pziiffelback
31 - 3m18 See You Tomorrow (Synth)
32 - 3m18 See You Tomorrow
33 - 3m20 Test Drive (Synth)
34 - 3m20 Test Drive
35 - 3m21 Not Fireproof (Synth)
36 - 3m21 Not Fireproof
37 - 3m22 This Time For Sure (Synth)
38 - 3m22 This Time For Sure
39 - 3m23 Astrid Finds Toothless (Synth)
40 - 3m23 Astrid Finds Toothless
41 - 3m24 Astrid Goes for a Spin (Synth)
42 - 3m24 Astrid Goes for a Spin
43 - 3m25 Romantic Flight (Synth)
44 - 3m25 Romantic Flight
45 - 3m26b Dragons Den (Synth)
46 - 3m26b Dragons Den
47 - 3m26c Let's Find Dad (Synth)
48 - 3m26c Let's Find Dad
49 - 4m27/28 Kill Ring/Stop the Fight (Synth)
50 - 4m27/28 Kill Ring/Stop the Fight
51 - 4m30 Not A Viking (Synth)
52 - 4m30 Not A Viking
53 - 4m31 Ready/Confront (Synth)
54 - 4m31 Ready/Confront
55 - 4m33/34 Relax/Stroke Hell (Synth)
56 - 4m33/34 Relax/Stroke Hell
57 - 4m35/37 Over/Less Okay (Synth)
58 - 4m35/37 Over/Less Okay
59 - 4m38 Wings (Synth)
60 - 4m38 Wings
61 - 5m39 Counter Attack (Synth)
62 - 5m39 Counter Attack
63 - 5m40 Where's Hiccup (Synth)
64 - 5m40 Where's Hiccup
65 - 5m41 Coming Back Around (Synth)
66 - 5m41 Coming Back Around
67 - 5m50 End Credits (Synth)
68 - 5m50 End Credits

MarioSoundtrack reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-30 16:14:05
It seems John Powell needs some time with his family... Only two works for 2014... But well, HTTYD 2 is there to be awesome!

Michael reply Replies: 0 || 2012-10-07 01:56:53
"This is Berk" is one of those pieces that just gets you excited every time.

Ds reply Replies: 15 || 2011-11-21 19:08:01
Oscars 2011 were such an injustice... What an insult for the greatness and simple beauty of this score!!

Mr. Charles2011-11-21 22:23:49 about Inception? Hans Zimmer has been nominated 7 times, and only one once - for The Lion King way back 17 years ago in 1994. I knew Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross would win for The Stupid Network. They won the Golden Globe as well. Honestly, the score wasn't that good. It was interesting, but not that good.

I'm willing to bet they'll win again this for for The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 02:25:18
How to Train Your Dragon is MILES ahead of the overrated Inception. The emotional peaks and valleys of Powell's score make Zimmer's effort look flat as a pancake in comparison (with perhaps a slight blip for "Time"...).

Mr. Fate2011-11-22 02:40:44
Listen here, pal: Have even listened to the Inception score? I'm sure it includes just as many emotional peaks and valleys as How to Train Your Dragon does (it's just that the OST likely does not cover all those--darn you RCP!). Besides, this is a kids' movie. Man up and watch some mind-blowing, reality-twisting Inception and we'll see if you don't come back thinking about reality and the way dreams work a little bit differently from now on.

In my opinion a good movie is one that leaves you wondering about the world around you for weeks or even months after you've seen it. Catch: I have not seen this movie nor listened to its score to be able to compare with Inception. Perhaps we should both make it our goal to take a listen to the other's preferred score, and we can get back to this debate.

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 04:19:51
I don't think I'd be throwing around comments about Inception if I hadn't heard it, would I? Of course I have, and in my opinion Inception's a three star score...Not one of Zimmer's best, though certainly not among his worst either (On Stranger Tides, anyone?). I admire how he created a unique soundscape that sounds convincingly "dreamy" and ethereal, and the two cues "Dream is Collapsing" and "Time" are both excellent five-star highlights. On the flip side, a cue like "Old Souls" does absolutely nothing for me. It's emotionally void, mindnumbingly repetitive and, in the end, draws the score back (as does the obnoxious "Mombasa"). Having seen the film, I'm also not convinced that there's such a huge amount of unreleased Inception music that's radically different from what we got on the album; "Dream is Collapsing" was tracked into several scenes with little to no variation, if I recall correctly. Though it's been a while since I last saw Inception, so it's possible that I don't.

How to Train Your Dragon, on the other hand, has eight cues that I would rate five stars: "This is Berk", "Forbidden Friendship", "See You Tomorrow", "Test Drive", "Romantic Flight", "Battling the Green Death," "Where's Hiccup?" and "Coming Back Around". It also doesn't have any cues that I would call boring, though certain tracks like "The Vikings Have Their Tea" aren't essential. There's half a dozen different themes constantly interplaying and overlapping (contrasted with Inception's three, which never overlap), and the orchestra is handled extremely dynamically from muscular and menacing brass to vibrant flutes (Inception has a comparatively limited soundscape, which I realize is an artistic choice, but just doesn't work as well as me). Whether it's a kids' movie or not is entirely irrelevant; that doesn't change anything about this vibrant, varied, joyful and energetic masterpiece.

Not sure where you got the impression that I'm not "man enough" to watch Inception, by the way. I have, and like the score, I think it's overrated. Nolan came up with a brilliant concept, but he didn't take enough advantage of it. I'd have loved to see more creative scenes along the lines of Ariadne's building-folding or Arthur's rotating hallway fight. Instead, though, a lot of the action scenes are very unimaginative stuff. And I thought the twist ending was just a cheap way of making the movie look deeper than it really was IMO (I didn't actually find it THAT mind-bending or difficult to follow, despite being intriguing). It's a great thriller and makes you think more than about 95% of action movies, but still falls short of masterpiece to me.

How to Train Your Dragon isn't a masterpiece either, but it's a highly enjoyable movie, one of DreamWorks' best, and the score really elevates it, particularly during any flying scene or the entire "Forbidden Friendship" sequence. Then again, you seem predisposed to look down on "kids' movies", so I doubt you'd like it. ;)

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 04:23:07
Sorry about the long post...Just wanted to prove that I'm not a troll or mindless hater or anything. :)

Inception film: very good but could have been great, 4/5
Inception score: okay, has its moments, better in movie than on album, 3/5

How to Train Your Dragon film: very good but not Pixar-masterpiece-level, 4/5
How to Train Your Dragon score: Fan-frickin-tastic! Enthusiastic 5/5!

Mr. Charles2011-11-22 05:57:29
Thank you, Mr. Fate.

Inception is not overrated. No way. It never will be. It blows your mind. And the score...that's another thing. I think it's overlooked greatly. Key tracks are "Dream is Collapsing", "Mombassa", "Dream Within a Dream", "Waiting for a Train", "Paradox", "Time" and "Don't Think About Elephants". They are all fantastic.

Edmund Meinerts, I do have the OST of HTTYD, but haven't had the chance to listen to it. However, I do have "Forbidden Friendship" synced on my ipod, and I do really like it a lot. I have heard things about this score and that it is terrific. It makes me want to watch the film and give the score a good listen. It's just that Hans Zimmer is like....God of film music (IMO - others may say John Williams or John Barry, or someone of that rank). I just think he never gets his credit when it's deserved. He's been in the business for a while now. John Powell will get his chance to shine.

Ok, now - both of you:

How about being we are RCP fans, we put our differences between Inception and HTTYD aside and discuss why the F The Stupid Network won the Oscar?

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 13:43:54
Inception doesn't blow my mind. Neither film nor score. And to say that the score has been overlooked or that Hans Zimmer doesn't get the credit he deserves is just laughable...just look at the absolute mess the Inception site is in with all the fans putting up their self-made bootlegs. A real example of an overlooked Hans Zimmer score would be A League of Their Own. Or Cool Runnings. Or, a more recent example, Frost/Nixon. Nobody ever talks about those, and they're both miles beyond anything Zimmer has done in the last couple of years. IMO, he's really out of form lately. If Game of Shadows doesn't deliver...I don't know. I mean, I love the man's music, I really do, but lately it just seems like he's phoning it in, or letting his assistants do 90% of the work like on Pirates 4. You say Zimmer gets less credit than he deserves...well, I say he gets a lot more. He shouldn't be allowed to put his name on the album for On Stranger Tides if he's only one of about ten different contributors.

"Mombasa" is only fantastic if you've got too much Aspirin in the house and need a good headache to waste it on. A horrible loud mess of an action cue.

All that aside, Social Network is a real piece of crap. It's the kind of score where having no music at all would have had the exact same effect...and that won the Oscar over HTTYD? Well, the Academy has always been questionable when it comes to the Best Score award, so...I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. Ennio Morricone never won any Oscars, but Gustavo Santaolalla won two. Hah.

Mr. Fate2011-11-22 14:41:12
Whoops, I'm out! I was asleep when all these long posts were made. I'm too far behind to catch up. Although there are a few things I'd like to point out from earlier. The only reason you can put eight cues on your five-star list is because you have 24 tracks to choose from.

We, on the other hand, got a score with only twelve tracks (with two iTunes bonus tracks that are very much appreciated) to choose from. Inception's track count is only half that of HTTYD. In terms of actual length, HTTYD is roughly ten minutes longer, but its cues are also a lot shorter. Inception's tracks are arranged in suite form and barely any of them sound like how they do in the film.

8/24 means you'd give a third of the HTTYD score 5 stars. With Mr. Charles selection for Inception, 7/14, says that half of that score is worthy of five stars. It is perhaps largely a matter of what gets chosen to go on the OST. IMO, there are plenty of excellent cues that got left out.

Next, you are wrong to say that the Inception score only has 3 themes. Not that I've taken an in-depth look of it, but right off the bat, I can say there are seven clearly defined themes on the OST alone. The repetitiveness of the score is simply it's nature, and it is inaccurate to assume the same cues were used multiple times throughout the film.

Sure the same themes are used many times over, and sure they never grow or expand, but never is the same piece of music used twice. There are always differences, noticeable variations of each theme. Bottom line is: I guess you're not going to like the score if you don't like repetitive music. It's a style; I believe it's called minimalism. A great example of it is the works of Philip Glass.

The Social Network? That just seems like a movie that wouldn't need a score. It's a documentation about something that happened like less than ten years ago and is about normal everyday life. How could a score for a film like that win over the likes of, well, just about anything else? I have not seen the movie nor heard the soundtrack, but I did hear that the end of the movie sucks.

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 15:09:23
That's assuming that the seven tracks Charles named are actually five star worthy. Everybody's mileage is going to vary on this, but in my opinion, "Mombasa" barely earns two stars. Only "Dream is Collapsing" and "Time" are five star to me...

Yea, I've never been a huge fan of minimalism, which is probably why Inception is only a moderate success to me. I'll give Inception another listen today and see whether I was wrong about the themes...The ones I noticed are: the eight-chord theme best heard in "Time", the four-chord one in "Dream is Collapsing" and the mysterious one that gets repeated throughout "Old Souls". I decided not to count the BAAAWM BAAWM as a separate theme...if you could point out where the other four are that I missed, I'd be interested to hear where I missed them. :)

Mr. Fate2011-11-22 21:46:18
Seven themes--14 tracks. Roughly half of the tracks include defined themes, and I'll go in order.

"Half-Remembered Dream" has a couple themes rolled into one. It starts off with the "Time" theme (1) and then fades into what I call "The Central Theme"; those two notes that are taken from "Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien" slowed down like 70%. I won't consider this a whole theme; perhaps motif is a more appropriate term?

The end of "Half-Remembered Dream" is a different variation of (1) and it fades into the beginning of "We Built Our Own World" which is the next theme (2). This theme always seems to play when Dom is remembering Mal, and is not greatly represented on the OST.

Next is an obvious one: the "Dream is Collapsing" theme, or the "Inception" theme as I sometimes think of it (3).

Radical Notion is an oddball track; I don't know what the majority of the track consists of but toward the end it shifts into Mal's theme (4). The full version of this theme can heard in "Old Souls" as well as the first part of "Waiting for a Train". It seems to be made up of two well-defined parts.

528491 is the climax version of Fischer's theme (5). This theme can also be found in the first half of "Paradox" only slower (this track is titled Fischer Adagio on Lorne Balfe's website). It plays many times in the film, each time with a higher level of excitement than the previous time (excluding the final usage).

Mombasa is just a theme all by itself (6). It is a suite, but portions of it get used twice in the film and there's also an alternate insert for a bit of unreleased music that uses it.

Last, there's "One Simple Idea" (7), which I always think of as the planning theme. This is the one that gets used the most, but they always find a way to alter it slightly so it is noticeably different each time it gets used (one usage 'inverts' the theme, another keeps the main arrangement but changes a couple of the notes).

Just kidding, there's one more theme: the second half of "Paradox" is the only place that Saito's theme appears (8).

Of the tracks I didn't cover: Dream Within a Dream starts off with a variation of the "Inception" theme (3), and the second half of the track is "Time" (1);

the second half of "Waiting for a Train" is like a combination of "Inception" (3) and Mal's theme (4);

"Projections" is a nice suite (and that's how it plays in the movie too) of something unknown followed by themes (4) and (7), and then something else unknown, ending with a variation of "Inception" (3);

and as far as I can tell, "Don't Think About Elephants" is just all hardcore action music although the "Inception" theme (3) may be mixed in there somewhere, and the film version of the track includes an insert with theme (4).

I'm sure there are more minor themes, or perhaps just recurring motifs that are either included or are missing from the OST--these are just the ones that are obvious to me.

Edmund Meinerts2011-11-22 22:56:57
I suppose it's hard to think of some of those as "themes" considering they only appear once on the OST. I've only seen the movie three times and I never paid that much attention to what themes were cropping up where, though, so I'll take your word for it that they do appear more than I thought. If that's the case, and a legit complete/expanded release ever crops up, then maybe I'll look at Inception in a new light.

Then again, it's more the soundscape than the themes that bothers me. Scores like the second and third Pirates of the Caribbean and King Arthur are all heroic energy and bombastic themes; Angels and Demons has this great choral/synth fusion; Sherlock Holmes has awesome specialty instruments. Compared to those, the hazy synthy sound of Inception just seems less interesting to me, even though it's very well done, unique and perfect for the movie. And I've never liked Mal's theme or Mombasa. So that's why Inception isn't my fav.

Thanks for taking the time to run through that, though. It definitely pointed a few things out to me that I didn't know before. :)

tomPoland2012-08-23 14:41:23
you people are so funny :)

The Last Airbender is the best score AD 2010

then HTTYD, Tron Legacy, Ghost Writer and Inception

Ds2012-08-23 15:47:28
For me the highlight of 2010 was clearly HTTYD. This is simply the best score John Powell has ever written! I wanted him to get one Oscar...

But i just checked imdb, John Powell is back for the new Paul Greengrass thriller, the new Doug Liman thriller, the new Pixar about Dinosaurs, the new Mad Max, the horror film "Carrie", and HTTYD 2 :)

Pierre2012-08-24 15:49:21
Inception and Dragon were very strong scores, but we're overlooking Alexandre Desplat's work on The King's Speech entirely. A lot more subtle and less bombastic, but a beautifully crafter refined piece of work. My personal favourite of 2010.

Edmund Meinerts2012-08-24 15:54:14
King's Speech was okay, but felt very much in Desplat's dramatic comfort zone for me and I wouldn't have nominated it for an Oscar. "The Rehearsal" is a nice cue though.

My top 5 for 2010 are How to Train Your Dragon (Powell), Space Battleship Yamato (by Naoki Sato, a fantastic score that I'd never have found if it wasn't for Filmtracks' review), The Last Airbender (JNH), Tron Legacy (Daft Punk) and Alice in Wonderland (Elfman). Oh, and Oscar Araujo's epic Lord of the Rings-style score for the video game Castlevania: Lord of Shadows should get a mention too. Probably the best game score I've ever heard, actually!

Adi reply Replies: 0 || 2012-08-22 22:15:11
I have to watch How To Train Your Dragon a lot - A LOT (two-year old in the house). The scene where Hiccup finally gets to make first contact with the dragon is just one of the most touching and awesome piece of composition I have ever experienced. From the first moment to the last one, when he finally gets to touch Toothless's nose, I am spellbound, no matter how many times I hear it. It is so beautiful, so perfectly in synch with everything happening on the screen, all those deep emotions. I choke up every time! What a great composer.

Kerryn reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 07:33:11
Canllig all cars, calling all cars, we're ready to make a deal.

Quiana reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-24 12:04:32
I'm impressed! You've managed the almost iompsisble.

Dakota reply Replies: 3 || 2011-03-05 00:00:00
Anyone know the music played during the scene they showed during the Oscars for Best Animated Feature? It's when Hiccup reaches his arm out and touches the dragon.

Nalora2011-05-25 22:55:36
I believe the piece you're looking for is called 'Forbidden Friendship'. That one is my favourite out of the whole movie, so powerful, emotional, and touching. It keeps building up to the end right until Hiccup bumps into Toothless (after stepping over the lines of Toothless' drawing) and that's when Hiccup touches Toothless.

Paul2011-07-07 14:54:43
I like ROMANTIC FLIGHT very much!
Thank you Hans

Tron2011-07-07 16:32:46
Moron, it was John Powell

John reply Replies: 1 || 2011-04-21 18:58:02
Has anyone checked this analysis out? It's magnificent!

John2011-04-21 18:58:39
Sorry, forgot the link...

asturscore .com/how-to-train-your-dragon/

(Remove the spaces)

bre-bre reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
asome movie ever loved the music loved everything about it it was the best movie i saw

bre-bre reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
asome movie ever loved the music loved everything about it it was the best movie i saw

MarioSoundtrack reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-05 00:00:00
Is the best score I've ever heard. Simply, for me is the chosen one in order to be the best Soundtrack of the world. Powell has been the best compositor this year and he deserved the Oscar but....the Academy were wrong
The only score that I put 100/100!

Norm reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-21 00:00:00
I agree with skinny! Powell really deserved an oscar for this masterpiece!

Skinny reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-21 00:00:00
My kids have this movie on permanant replay... I was struck by the amazing music throughout and am very disappointed that it wasn't recognized for an Oscar... Very Sad!!!

mjedge808 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-16 00:00:00
I LOVE this music. Simply wonderful. I was so disappointed that he was not given the Oscar, this was very deserving. There is so much emotion in his music. The Social Network? really? Someone greased some palms perhaps?

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