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Guess a sessions leak of a score that was already 90 minutes long on the original album isn't worth getting super excited for...Is it me or does the main theme sound a lot like Hannibal? No doubt Zanelli’s stamp on the score...Hybrid, did Zimmer composed any of the music in the second trailer? <br><br>Interesting that nobody's mentioned the sessions leak. Pretty sure I posted a cue list but it must have been deleted.@mephariel<br>None of the styles work for me really. Most of the score comes across as a pastiche of ideas from other Zimmer scores where they were better developed (Gladiator, The Rock, Crimson Tide, etc.) and Even the action is kind of hit or miss. I just don’t find it to be an interesting score honestly.
@kiki: delete inferno for me aswell......and a very good solo Balfe cue, at that. That theme and Hans' Moriarty theme are the most engaging ideas of these movies, to me. <br><br>Hey, while I'm here, any word on Hans doing the third movie?i would delete Dunkirk immediately from that library. That's the WORST score ever written from any composer out there. This isn't even a score or film music. Just pure sound effects.No, "Psychological Recovery" is scored to picture, a bunch of cues put together from the climax of the film. IIRC the first three minutes or so are a solo Balfe cue actually.Nope, not a suite, a mix of about 4/5 cues.
M:I2 is definitely a polarizing score. But I have to say, this is the first time I heard the criticism stylistically bland refer to this score. Because for most people who dislike the score, they think the score is too stylish.love this score. hasn't grown on me. was listening to it on my commute today. do you guys know if the track "psychological recovery" is the "suite" that came first. and then other cues developed from it? thanksEven then, I feel like its still irrelevant to post the titles for it does us no good and it will be posted here eventually. But whatever I guessJust realized I’ve been calling the movie “Windows” instead of “Widows”. <br>Ugh it’s been a long day -_-Just took a look at the trailer and am really impressed with how the film looks, not what I was expecting at all. I honestly don’t know what approach Zimmer will take either, although if I had to guess probably more sound design-ish.<br><br>And outside of “Injection” and “Bare Island” I find MI2 to be bland and all over the place stylistically. Just my opinion though, I know a lot of people love that score ;-)
mpolonest123, have you seen the trailer for Widows? Zimmer created the music for that trailer and I assume it came from the movie. If that is the case, it will sound nothing like TTRL.M:I2 is a blast to listen to. I just have a hard time imagine it to be a MI score. But it is one of the most fun scores from Zimmer.And as far Zimmer scores that I don’t like for the most part, there is a small handful (Madagascar, MI2, etc.)That’s completely fair, and I honestly couldn’t defend this score and be genuine about it. I think it does help that I love this movie (despite being hard to watch) and have come to associate the music with it so much. Still, I can’t lie that I find portions of it to be incredibly effective, even when the music does become solely ambient. In terms of listenability/originality the best cue is, ironically, the 24-second “Washington” cue.<br><br>I would kill to know what Zimmer personally thinks of this score. I’m sure he had a great working relationship with Steve, hence him working on “Windows”, but I’m sure the temptrack must have been murder on his creativity...This is my least favorite Zimmer score, actually. Or else the one that I feel has the least going for it; I guess it doesn't make me mad like On Stranger Tides, but at the same time it lacks anything even remotely compelling. "Boat Trip to New Orleans" is the only halfway interesting cue and even then I don't really like to listen to it much. The experimental parts aren't interesting experiments (ooh...clapping...wow), and the Journey to the Line stuff is just tired and bland (on top of being super derivative). I get that it works in the movie or whatever but if I had a gun to my head with orders to delete one Hans score from my library and never listen to it again, I'm pretty sure this would be the one I'd go for.
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Mark MancinaDon HarperJohn Van TongerenChristopher Ward
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Speed 2 - Cruise Control
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 70'24
HZimmer.com rating:        5/5
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  1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare - Motorcycle Chase (4:18)
    Mark Mancina
  2. Alex And Annie - Caribbean Cruise (4:42)
    Mark Mancina
  3. Engine Room (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  4. Overboard (8:40)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper, John Van Tongeren
  5. Last Lifeboat (7:01)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  6. Goodbye, Alex (4:06)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  7. Reunion (2:43)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  8. Tanker Turn (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  9. Geiger Grabs Annie (1:48)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  10. Escape (7:31)
    Mark Mancina
  11. The Harbor (7:16)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  12. Final Chase (7:23)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  13. Underwater Rescue (1:46)
    Mark Mancina
  14. Cruising (2:58)
    Mark Mancina
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2012-02-03 12:51:23
A question: If Christopher Ward and Don Harper are only credited as arranger and orchestrator, does that mean they didn't actually compose the cues they are credited on?


Dawn2012-02-04 14:49:14
That means they helped in some ways and at some point during the creation of those cues.

There is no way to know if they did 1% or 100% of the cues they worked on.

Aggelos reply Replies: 0 || 2011-12-04 16:21:52
This is a great score - 5/5! Too bad the La-La Land release didn't feature some extra music/cues from the Speed 2 promo....
Despite that, it's a freaking awesome release for all the Mark Mancina (and action score) fans out there!! Grab it while it lasts!


Jason LeBlanc did a quick comparison to the composer promo, and this is what he came up with :
01 Main Title (1:51) = 01 Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare / Motorcycle Chase (0:00-1:47) (with clean ending)
02 Annie & Alex (2:16) = 02 Alex and Annie (0:00-2:12) (with clean ending)
03 Seabourn Legend (2:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND (Similar to 14 Cruising (2:58))
04 Geiger (3:46) = 03 Engine Room (0:00-3:20) then the tick tock percussion isolated on the composer promo plays under the next cue on the LLL
05 Eindhoven Lion (0:35) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
06 Close The Hatch (1:31) = 06 Goodbye Alex (2:38-4:06) (with clean opening)
07 Lifeboat (1:54) = 07 Reunion (0:00-1:50) (with clean ending)
08 Bow Thrusters (2:21) = 08 Tanker Turn (0:00-2:18) (with clean ending)
09 Grenade (0:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
10 Evacuation (6:59) = 05 Last Lifeboat (7:01)
11 Why Don't We Stop (0:48) = 12 Final Chase (0:00-0:42) (with clean ending)
12 Crashing Into The Island (6:42) = 12 Final Chase (0:42-7:23) (with clean opening)
13 Golfclubs (1:43) = 13 Underwater Rescue (1:46)
14 Caribbean (0:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
15 Tuneman (3:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
16 That's Odd (1:18) = 04 Overboard (0:00-1:14) (with clean ending)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Engine Room => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Overboard => Mancina / Van Tongeren / Harper

Last Lifeboat => Mancina / Harper

Goodbye, Alex => Mancina / Ward

Reunion => Mancina / Ward

Tanker Run => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Geiger Grabs Annie => Mancina / Van Tongeren

The Harbor => Mancina / Harper

Final Chase => Mancina / Harper


To be extreeeeeeemely precise !! ;)

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
I know only 2 cues credited John Van Tongeren (from his own website) :
"Auto-Pilot" which is heard in the last minute of "Engine Room", and "Man Overboard" which is the first minute of "Overboard".
But as "additional music credits" always is quiet tricky, I'm not sure these cues were fully arranged by JVT...

Btw, from what I read in the Speed 2 liner note, I think the promo cues "Seabourne Legend" and "We Not Gonna Stop" are some kind of themes suites (cues not meant to synchronize to pictures but developping primary ideas from the score) that the music editor incorporated several small bits into the movie.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Is any of Van Tongeren's music contained in this release?

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
Mr Tweedy, I dont have this score nor have I seen the film. What tracks are different to the film music?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy
Here we go :

"Caribbean Cruise" is different from the film version. You can find the film version on Speed 2 promo ("Welcome to the Seabourne Legend"). IMO, film/promo version is WAY better than Lala version !

"Engine Room" is a mix of two cues used in the movie, but the sound editor decided to butcher both those tracks in the movie.

There's a cue missing after "Engine Room", featured on the promo (sometimes called "We Not Gonna Stop" or "Evacuation"). But in the movie they butchered it, and you only hear a few seconds of it.

There's a cue missing after "Goodbye, Alex" (when Annie opens a door with a chainsaw). You can hear similar music during the middle of "Escape". Not featured on the promo.

There's a cue missing after "Tanker Turn", featured on the promo, but I don't find its name. It was called "Grenade" I think, but was used when Geiger is about to leave the ship.

Another cue missing, after "Escape", featured on the promo : "A Peaceful Village" or "Caribbean", depending on which version you got. In fact, this "Caribbean" cue replaces a few seconds of "The Harbor" in the movie (just before the action section begins).

The end of the film doesn't contain any unreleased material. They edited "Alex and Annie" and "Welcome to the Seabourne Legend" so the music matches the pictures. But these are not "unreleased cues".

"Cruising" has its beginning used earlier in the movie, but all the saxophone part was rejected. You hear something like 40 seconds of it.

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy

Oh well, I forgot to fill the name !
That was... me :)

Andy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-15 00:00:00
Thank you very much Mark Mancina!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
Sometimes I wonder if La-La's doing it on purpose...

Generally they misspell Names, like "Pouchet" instead of "Fouchet" in Bad Boys, "Gieger" instead of "Geiger" here...

Legal issues ? :P

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
My bad, it really has errors on back cover.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
What do you mean; "Carribean" with two Rs is written on the back cover. How is that not a spelling error? ;) Unless of course they corrected it on a newer batch.

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
There are no spelling errors on CD's tracks, only in this website.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Wow, there's two spelling errors on the back of the case - "Carribean" instead of "Caribbean" and "Gieger" instead of "Geiger"... how the hell does that happen, is there no one to check the spelling before they friggin' print it 3000 times? Otherwise flawless album presentation by La-La Land though...

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Probably the best from Mark. Rythmic, thematic and lyric at the same time with this touch of Zimmer 's sound sometimes.. awesome!

Prott reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-22 00:00:00
Yeah, fantastic score!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Great release, La La Land!!! :D

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Nice Album :__:

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Wonderful score. 13 years and we finally get it. Can't wait, really ! Mancina at his best.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-10 00:00:00
Caaaaaaaan't wait !!! :D

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