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Several clips of the film are on YT. With some music. Sounds like 90's score from HZ. Too bad the directing seems to come from an age movies didn't exist...No. It’s a boys choir. S&K bros is a girl’s choirSeems like Scala & Kolacny Brothers.In what way is it "obvious", exactly, that Djawadi had more influence on that Training cue than Zimmer? It's basically just a statement of Zimmer's theme, and doesn't really sound notably "Djawadi-esque" to me in any way.Thanks for the credits update
A bit of who did what...Lorne also confirmed that he took charge of Mr.Charles, and without saying that Lorne was on the good side of Score in general, so his influence was substantially high.Hybrid confirmed that training is composed by Ramin and Hans and it is obvious that Ramin's influence is superior to that of Hans.are we expecting the score for dark phoenix to be released in a week or so, if the movie itself drops early june?Not as simply as that.... Training is Ramin's arrangement of a Hans theme, and the core of Mr. Charles when the Fischer theme isn't playing is a Hans idea, too, as far as I know. Take the Zimmer out and those moments wouldn't be the same.
I think Balfe working with Nolan would have done a great jobBob,The Training is basically Ramin Djawadi and Mr.Charles is BalfeI hope these two team up again. Zimmer's score is the main driving force for some memorable scenes. Just a few<br>Batman Begins-The Training<br>TDK- Joker crash the party, Gordon's speech and ending<br>Inception - Time, Mr.Charles, <br>TKDR - the climb, imagine the fire and orphan<br>Interstellar-Stay, Docking, coward, mountain<br>Dunkirk - well the entire movieJustin Hurwitz I can see. I enjoyed La La Land and First Man. But Both Hurwitz and Göransson are several notches above Lorne Balfe. <br><br>I think 80/100 directors would rather work with Göransson than Balfe.I really believe that Nolan has made a mistake as a composer.I think Lorne Balfe, David Julyan or Justin Hurwitz would be much better options than Ludwig Goransson.
Interesting news. <br><br>Geoff Zanelli is one of those composers who I’ve loved his additional music over his solo efforts, Pirates 5 excluded. I hope he gets a chance to write some great fantasy music for this, regardless if he reuses JNH’s themes or not.I think I am the only one, who would be glad about David Julyan return.<br><br>I really like his music for early Nolan's films, especially Insomnia, and it's what i can call an "atmospheric experience".<br><br>Don't know how his music fits for espionage timetraveling movie, but, for me, i'st would be something interesting to hear.@mpolonest123: those Pemberton scores are indeed pure gold, very cool on album but insanely good in the movie. My favorite is still his King Arthur, that was a beast of a score that stuck with the movie like glue and really enhanced Guy Ritchie's dark, twisted, trippy vision.*3 thingsSure, but there's two things to consider. <br>1). Pirates has such an iconic sound that it'd be really stupid for them to suddenly abandon it at #5. Especially when we hired the guy who has worked on the previous 4. 2). Maleficent, as successful as it was to warrant a sequel, isn't quite as well known in the score department, despite being well received by those who have heard it. 3). Because Zanelli worked on all Pirates, he had enough familiarity with the sounds and motifs that he knew where to go once he led the ship. In Maleficent's case, he's taking over from a previous composer, and is working with a director who likely only knows his work on POTC5. As such, there's no knowing yet if he might be compelled to continue on from JNH, or if it's decided he just does his own thing.<br><br>I'm happy that Geoff at the very least has a safe career at Disney, considering two of their recent live action successes has had him involved. However, considering I hear his recently work hasn't been his best, JNH likely would've benefited from returning to a world that had some of his best material after he wasn't given the opportunity to do so with Glass. As such, it really is a severely missed opportunity, even if newer blood is getting more opportunities.
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Mark MancinaDon HarperJohn Van TongerenChristopher Ward
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Speed 2 - Cruise Control
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 70'24
HZimmer.com rating:        5/5
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  1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare - Motorcycle Chase (4:18)
    Mark Mancina
  2. Alex And Annie - Caribbean Cruise (4:42)
    Mark Mancina
  3. Engine Room (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  4. Overboard (8:40)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper, John Van Tongeren
  5. Last Lifeboat (7:01)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  6. Goodbye, Alex (4:06)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  7. Reunion (2:43)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  8. Tanker Turn (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  9. Geiger Grabs Annie (1:48)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  10. Escape (7:31)
    Mark Mancina
  11. The Harbor (7:16)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  12. Final Chase (7:23)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  13. Underwater Rescue (1:46)
    Mark Mancina
  14. Cruising (2:58)
    Mark Mancina
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2012-02-03 12:51:23
A question: If Christopher Ward and Don Harper are only credited as arranger and orchestrator, does that mean they didn't actually compose the cues they are credited on?


Dawn2012-02-04 14:49:14
That means they helped in some ways and at some point during the creation of those cues.

There is no way to know if they did 1% or 100% of the cues they worked on.

Aggelos reply Replies: 0 || 2011-12-04 16:21:52
This is a great score - 5/5! Too bad the La-La Land release didn't feature some extra music/cues from the Speed 2 promo....
Despite that, it's a freaking awesome release for all the Mark Mancina (and action score) fans out there!! Grab it while it lasts!


Jason LeBlanc did a quick comparison to the composer promo, and this is what he came up with :
01 Main Title (1:51) = 01 Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare / Motorcycle Chase (0:00-1:47) (with clean ending)
02 Annie & Alex (2:16) = 02 Alex and Annie (0:00-2:12) (with clean ending)
03 Seabourn Legend (2:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND (Similar to 14 Cruising (2:58))
04 Geiger (3:46) = 03 Engine Room (0:00-3:20) then the tick tock percussion isolated on the composer promo plays under the next cue on the LLL
05 Eindhoven Lion (0:35) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
06 Close The Hatch (1:31) = 06 Goodbye Alex (2:38-4:06) (with clean opening)
07 Lifeboat (1:54) = 07 Reunion (0:00-1:50) (with clean ending)
08 Bow Thrusters (2:21) = 08 Tanker Turn (0:00-2:18) (with clean ending)
09 Grenade (0:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
10 Evacuation (6:59) = 05 Last Lifeboat (7:01)
11 Why Don't We Stop (0:48) = 12 Final Chase (0:00-0:42) (with clean ending)
12 Crashing Into The Island (6:42) = 12 Final Chase (0:42-7:23) (with clean opening)
13 Golfclubs (1:43) = 13 Underwater Rescue (1:46)
14 Caribbean (0:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
15 Tuneman (3:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
16 That's Odd (1:18) = 04 Overboard (0:00-1:14) (with clean ending)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Engine Room => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Overboard => Mancina / Van Tongeren / Harper

Last Lifeboat => Mancina / Harper

Goodbye, Alex => Mancina / Ward

Reunion => Mancina / Ward

Tanker Run => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Geiger Grabs Annie => Mancina / Van Tongeren

The Harbor => Mancina / Harper

Final Chase => Mancina / Harper


To be extreeeeeeemely precise !! ;)

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
I know only 2 cues credited John Van Tongeren (from his own website) :
"Auto-Pilot" which is heard in the last minute of "Engine Room", and "Man Overboard" which is the first minute of "Overboard".
But as "additional music credits" always is quiet tricky, I'm not sure these cues were fully arranged by JVT...

Btw, from what I read in the Speed 2 liner note, I think the promo cues "Seabourne Legend" and "We Not Gonna Stop" are some kind of themes suites (cues not meant to synchronize to pictures but developping primary ideas from the score) that the music editor incorporated several small bits into the movie.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Is any of Van Tongeren's music contained in this release?

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
Mr Tweedy, I dont have this score nor have I seen the film. What tracks are different to the film music?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy
Here we go :

"Caribbean Cruise" is different from the film version. You can find the film version on Speed 2 promo ("Welcome to the Seabourne Legend"). IMO, film/promo version is WAY better than Lala version !

"Engine Room" is a mix of two cues used in the movie, but the sound editor decided to butcher both those tracks in the movie.

There's a cue missing after "Engine Room", featured on the promo (sometimes called "We Not Gonna Stop" or "Evacuation"). But in the movie they butchered it, and you only hear a few seconds of it.

There's a cue missing after "Goodbye, Alex" (when Annie opens a door with a chainsaw). You can hear similar music during the middle of "Escape". Not featured on the promo.

There's a cue missing after "Tanker Turn", featured on the promo, but I don't find its name. It was called "Grenade" I think, but was used when Geiger is about to leave the ship.

Another cue missing, after "Escape", featured on the promo : "A Peaceful Village" or "Caribbean", depending on which version you got. In fact, this "Caribbean" cue replaces a few seconds of "The Harbor" in the movie (just before the action section begins).

The end of the film doesn't contain any unreleased material. They edited "Alex and Annie" and "Welcome to the Seabourne Legend" so the music matches the pictures. But these are not "unreleased cues".

"Cruising" has its beginning used earlier in the movie, but all the saxophone part was rejected. You hear something like 40 seconds of it.

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy

Oh well, I forgot to fill the name !
That was... me :)

Andy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-15 00:00:00
Thank you very much Mark Mancina!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
Sometimes I wonder if La-La's doing it on purpose...

Generally they misspell Names, like "Pouchet" instead of "Fouchet" in Bad Boys, "Gieger" instead of "Geiger" here...

Legal issues ? :P

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
My bad, it really has errors on back cover.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
What do you mean; "Carribean" with two Rs is written on the back cover. How is that not a spelling error? ;) Unless of course they corrected it on a newer batch.

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
There are no spelling errors on CD's tracks, only in this website.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Wow, there's two spelling errors on the back of the case - "Carribean" instead of "Caribbean" and "Gieger" instead of "Geiger"... how the hell does that happen, is there no one to check the spelling before they friggin' print it 3000 times? Otherwise flawless album presentation by La-La Land though...

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Probably the best from Mark. Rythmic, thematic and lyric at the same time with this touch of Zimmer 's sound sometimes.. awesome!

Prott reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-22 00:00:00
Yeah, fantastic score!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Great release, La La Land!!! :D

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Nice Album :__:

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Wonderful score. 13 years and we finally get it. Can't wait, really ! Mancina at his best.

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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-10 00:00:00
Caaaaaaaan't wait !!! :D

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