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Theres quite a bit of good unreleased stuff from this score. Stuff like the cue that plays during Alita's first game of motorball with the other kids, the bar fight music, the unused string rendition of Alita's theme and the end titles arrangement of Motorball/Swan Song.Does anyone have the "Motorball" cue from end credits? It sounds like the beginning of the "Motorball" track but it's different than on the OST. It plays directly after the Swan Song track...<br><br>Why is it left off the CD?Huh... Do people at RCP ask H-Z.com to use the official, less accurate credits in some cases? I seem to recall some credit fiasco on POTC4.So what happened to the credits here? It used to be a mixture of solo Atli cues with Atli/Dave Fleming, and now all three guys are credited for every track even though Tillman is only listed as a musician? Is this like with Armageddon, where the "official" credits aren't as accurate as the older ones were? :pMost of the album is comprised of suites, with one consistent tempo per track. <br><br>The material that was scored to picture was scored using the risset rhythm technique, which gave a lot of those tracks their "infinitely getting faster" feeling in the film, so the tempo is always climbing in the film versions. The suites have a stable tempo (except for a couple normal tempo changes, which are different)
Not really any... "Nothing Out There" contains the sad piano theme from Begins and Dark Knight, but otherwise the themes that get reprised are pretty much Hans stuff. <br><br>Speaking of credits, any chance the complete score page could be updated with what's out there and official?Could somebody tell me in what cues JNH's themes appear on album?Yeah, that cue was either a last minute rewrite or one of the music editors did it.... As for where you can find it...Google is your friend. But it's not going to be available anywhere officially.I think it will be in between NOT ORDINARY CITIZEN / THE SLOW KNIFE and IMAGINE THE FIRE, Does anybody know where can I find it?<br>I noticed that this score doesn't has the soundtrack of the part where Blake is taking the people to the bridge and he is discusing with the other police officer before he blows the bridge
That's right, I forgot about that... And I totally agree about the score vs. the album. I had no use for this score on album at first, but now that I've watched the movie a few times, I can really hear the logic behind the score and I "get it." <br><br>I still don't get the music as heard on album, though. Are the longer pieces some early suites Hans wrote? Or did he specifically make these arrangements for the album? Do you know the answer to that one, Hybrid?I wanna say I heard the full Cat Suite somewhere... I can't remember if it was legit, but it was 15:39 and it was indeed quite repetitive. It was basically the Selina Kyle Suite from the Z+ app, along with demos of several of the Catwoman-related cues in the final score. If you've listened through the score, you've basically heard the unreleased stuff.@Mike<br>Zimmer has said in interviews that he “mapped out” the film with one long piece of music to establish the changing tempo of the story, and apparently the script was written to capture the rhythmic feel of the film. So from the very beginning the story was always split up between the three.<br><br>I think a big part of the initial disappointment with the score was the album presentation, which gives off the impression that the music is just some sound design that Zimmer threw together (this is how I personally felt when I first gave it a listen). In actuality it’s a technically impressive score, I really can’t think of any other film score that is so synchronized with a film’s tempo and flows as one long piece of music. Apparently it was a nightmare for Hans, especially when the smallest edits to the film would ruin the flow.<br><br>Doing the 59-minute album was a pretty big disservice to the whole purpose of the music. If you remove one piece the whole thing falls apart, which is part of the reason the album feels so disjointed.Anyone here listened "The Predator" FYC score? <br>Any chance to compare tracklist and running time with official release?These versions suites haven't been officially released, but maybe you can find them somewhere around the Internet unofficially.<br><br>As for the Cat Suite, the most important parts of it can be found in "Selina Kyle" (it's a shortened version of it actually) and "Mind if I cut in?" from the OST. I remember that Hybrid once said that the 15mins Cat Suite was too repetitive, that's why a 5min only version was released, so maybe you are just fine with those two.<br>
Where can I listen to the Cat Suite? Or is it literally: Selina Kyle Theme? <br>The Mole P1 (0-1:57)<br>Regimental Brothers P1 (0-1:19)<br>The Mole P2 (1:57-3:44)<br>Regimental Brothers P3 (2:44 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier<br>Supermarine P1 (0-2:47)<br>The Mole P3 (3:45 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back (again) <br>Supermarine P2 (*5:33)<br>Impulse<br>The Tide<br>Home <br>The Oil <br>Variation 15<br>End Credits <br><br>As everyone said already, the album is made up of suites that combine several cues and several "sounds" used in various places. For example, the is a sound in The Mole (At 2:05) that sounds like a fuse being ignited. This sound is actually right after The Tide in the film.<br>The only tracks that are almost identical to the film are: The Tide, Variation 15 and End Credits, the rest is different. <br><br>So if you were to order the tracks as first heard in the film it would be: <br>The Mole <br>Regimental Brothers <br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier <br>Supermarine <br>Impluse <br>The Tide <br>Home <br>The Oil<br>Variation 15<br>End credits<br><br>As much as I enjoyed listening to this release, I wish they didn't butcher the score the way they did. I like the suites but there are so many great cues in this film that weren't released. If only they released an isolated score track on Blu-ray. Listening to film extracts is just not enough.I noticed that as well — the ticking goes all through the movie, except for the boat scenes, and only stops when they get on the train. <br><br>I wonder...could the film have originally been shot so that the beach, sea, and air sequences were there own arcs, and the longer album tracks were written for that? And then Nolan went in and turned the movie into the frenetic, constantly cutting-back-and-forth final product? <br><br>While the album is fine, I personally don't understand why we couldn't have just gotten the film cues. They might have had to stitch several together for each track, but it could have worked.Does anyone know where you can get a digital version of the Japanese versions 2 bonus tracks?Comparing it to YFM’s sfx edit this is what I’ve got;<br><br>“The Mole” seems to be an alternate of the opening sequence. The first minute or so is used, while the rest isn’t. “We Need Our Army Back/Regimental Brothers” are both made up of several cues from different points in the film. <br>“Home” is completely different in the film, which makes me think it may have been recorded specifically for the album. Similar situation with “Oil”. <br>“Supermarine” is definitely a suite. The rest is chronological.<br><br>Interesting thing to note, it seems like a lot of the tempo changes/ticking effects/bass overlays were removed from the album release, making almost every track sound different from the actual film versions. The music in context has a constant pulse going, especially in the way cues segue into each other and change tempo.
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Rain Man (Score)
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  1. Drive From The Country (1:25)
  2. Empty House - Charlies Memories (1:23)
  3. Drive To The Bank And Wallbrook (1:26)
  4. Leaving Wallbrook (1:43)
  5. Traffic Accident And Aftermath (4:05)
  6. Train Crossing - Walk Dont Run - Farmhouse (2:53)
  7. Putting Ray To Bed (2:15)
  8. On The Road (1:24)
  9. Las Vegas (7:01)
  10. Charlie Tries To Hug Raymond (1:05)
  11. Smoke Alarm - Freaked - Baby Burn (1:27)
  12. Pancakes - My Main Man (2:42)
  13. Train Station Goodbye (1:59)
  14. End Credits (3:19)
  15. Leaving Wallbrook - On The Road (2:53) (Bonus Track)
  16. Las Vegas - End Credits (8:21) (Bonus Track)
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JD reply Replies: 1 || 2018-04-03 13:55:40
Are you saying Gergeli suplied you a bootleg tape? Fine, let's hear the evidence now please - otherwise we might look at who you are and start to inspect a court case for defamation. I hope you have proof and we don't have to make you go to jail for perjury.


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 15:45:35
Perjury? I didn't know that posting on HZ.com was tantamount to swearing yourself in, or did I miss something in the fine print?

JD reply Replies: 4 || 2018-04-01 09:24:24
Notefornote is issuing a 1,000 CD limited edition of the score. They posted a clip on their facebook page showing an example of the quality of the sound.



Hybrid Soldier2018-04-01 13:00:17
Yeah, in fact I couldn't wait to get rid of that old horrible Perseverance CD... That new one will be ok.


Oscarilbo2018-04-02 16:05:16
Thanks for the heads up! It sounds freakin-tastic compared to the Perseverance release! that buying experience left a pretty bad taste in my mouth!


Oscarilbo2018-04-02 20:30:56
Ordered!
I now wonder how did they found a better source ?
Or should I ask, how in the hell did Perseverance got that awful source ?


Jack Sparrow2018-04-03 02:32:41
I can say that the source for the Perseverance release came from that fella Robin hired to produce it, Gergely? I once spoke to somebody about this and he told me that the source was a tape that may or may not have contained MP3 files.

I spoke to Robin about this years later. He shrugs and argues he couldn't have canceled the release so he released it. The new album from Note for Note is explained by Ford on FSM. It's tapes and a real digital source. Seems from listening to the samples its light years better. Deeper sound, definition. If anybody is to blame for the previous release it's that guy Gergely.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-27 19:16:49
I miss this kind of music which compsed by hans ...

mittens reply Replies: 1 || 2018-01-13 22:36:31
The quality is so bad! So bad! Dear God! Looks like they downloaded the bootleg version and made from it this cd. Is that even legal??


Mandarin2018-01-14 11:04:42
Cry from the heart :D

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2010-09-07 00:00:00
Yes it's confirmed... ;)


Yumbo2013-12-23 23:28:11
It just made it it iTunes. Quality is better than the bootleg.


al bundy2013-12-24 15:52:53
it's even better on CD in lossless quality, than itunes compressed sh*t.

Stalker reply Replies: 0 || 2011-01-15 00:00:00
Nicolai ...You negative person first over at Intrada, then FSM and now here...sad indeed

Evers reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-15 00:00:00
I agree with Nicolai... The sound quality is very, very bad.

Disappointing in spite of the beauty of the score...

Nicolai reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-12 00:00:00
it is a total shame this score found its way to an official release.
The SOUND quality is not even near at, what you usally expect from LIMITED EDTION official releases now-a-days.

@ adrian,
yes... it is way cooler to have an official album than a boot. But still I am so sad/upset that no real effort was put in to do a real good remaster of the score.

Instead the folks behind this release, excuses in the liner notes:
"This album was transferred from really crappy analog files. Although every effort was made to reduce anomalies inherent in these files, such as tape hiss or warble, some still persist."
Hey... WTF... if you don't have the right master-material, don't do a release then!!!

I'll stick with my 2 HZ tracks from the CAPITOL RECORDS release, whenever I am in the mood to listen to the awesome oscar nominated score for Rain Man.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-11 00:00:00
@ Cloud,

That's a shame... Rain Man deserved a good score!
But now you have an original disc with a booklet ;-) Thats cooler than a boot.
I wonder why Zimmer did not want to participate or even be consulted.

Well, I still want to buy it, as soon amazon releases it!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
@ Cloud,

So how does Rain Man sound? Is it like the End Credits that is on the OST disc? Or worse?

And has it more material than the bootleg around?

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
I haven't received my copy of the CD yet, but I can pretty much guarantee you it's not even close to the quality of the 2 tracks on the old Capitol soundtrack release. Unfortunately.

As for the content on the CD, it's basically the same as the "bootleg", minus the other mix of the Smoke Alarm cue. I'm not sure which of the two are included on the CD though. (And one cue seem to be splitted in two tracks (or it was originally 2 cues...))

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Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
@ Per : How can you "pretty much guarantee" the quality of the sound: You haven't heard it yet. And by the way: either there is a guaranty or there is no guaranty. There is no such thing as a "pretty much guaranty" ;)

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
The sound quality is pretty much the same as on the bootleg, which is absolutely terrible for an official release. It seems they upped the bass and volume a bit, but I can't really tell the difference between this and the boot. I thought the quality would be better, to be honest. Alas, a huge disappointment.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
So I received my copy today and guess what's written on the back of the booklet: "This album was transferred from really crappy analog files. Although every effort was made to reduce anomalies inherent in these files, such as tape hiss or warble, some still persist." :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-07 00:00:00
well, then they deserve that people hunt for vootlegs then when they dont co-opperate...
Shame on Remote Control!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-06 00:00:00
@Trent Easton Navarro
-1

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-05 00:00:00
That is a shame that they refused to participate...

Andrew reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-30 00:00:00
Apparently they tried, but Hans and his studio were not interested in participating.

Kaya reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-30 00:00:00
From what I understood no one ever talked to Hans about it anyway. They were going forward with the release and he didn't even know about it.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-28 00:00:00
@Trent Easton Navarro
+1

MK reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-20 00:00:00
Very nice! Ordered!!

Trent Easton Navarro reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-19 00:00:00
Ah, the good old days when Zimmer was still creative and didn't rely on 200 ghost writers... Looking forward to this one.

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-19 00:00:00
Just edition for a great piece. Rain Man is brilliant!! ZIMMER is brilliant!!!!!!

Jon reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
This is awesome! The first score of Zimmer that gets the special treatment. I love it!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
I wouldn't judge the sound quality by the website samples... I think if the sound was at all inferior they would have said so on the website so anyone who ordered would be aware.

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
Well, it's the complete score, more or less, as heard in the film anyway.

Unfortunately, due to Zimmer & co (according to Robin Esterhammer (Perseverance Records) in the FSM forum) "flat out refused" to work with them on the project, they only "...had access to a safety copy of the recording sessions.", meaning it doesn't have as good quality as it could, and should, have !

I would assume this to be from the same, or a very similar, source as the old unreleased (or 'bootleg' if you will) is from. I haven't heard the whole CD yet, of course, so this is based solely on the few samples available for listen.

I fear this might be the "guideline" of other older score Zimmer releases in the future too; A label manage to do a deal to release a score, but then no great source of the score is to be found, and only excists in the composer's hands, but he refuses to help, and it ends with them using a not-so-great backup tape copy of the score located on some desk someplace, or nothing is to be found, and the release won't happen at all :(

Would not surprise me if the Zimmer - "popularity" goes down a little after this ... it certainly did for me ! (Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about this release causing the Zimmer-popularity to drop, but the fact that he refuses to even help out on getting his older scores released.)

Nevertheless, a big thanks to Perseverance Records for doing this release. Remember, only 2000 copies available, so don't wait too long before you buy it ! :)

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
I'd say there's like 4 themes or sub-themes in Rain Man, Ele ! :)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
That's it guys !! :D

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
Whoehoe :D This is great!!

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