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See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.<br><br>Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...You know, I don't think I've ever really gotten the full story surrounding that score. I've heard conflicting reports. My personal belief is that Ross did little to no substantial composition and that all the new stuff (themes, suites, new cues and also significantly fresh arrangements of old material) is pure Williams, but that film is full of reused music from the first film (it's actually quite frustrating, not as bad as On Stranger Tides or as heartbreaking as The Hobbit, but a bit of a rehashy mess and it makes the key error of using the Philosopher's Stone motif as a Voldemort theme). That's where I think Ross comes in and was responsible for taking those cues verbatim from the first film and tweaking/rearranging them just enough to match the timings of the scenes without actually adding any of his "own" notes. His role is likely somewhere between additional music, arrangement and music editing (but as Hybrid likes to point out, oftentimes those sorts of roles are really blurred and overlapping anyways).<br><br>A guy at jwfan did an analysis that helps understand the nature of that score, but be warned, it goes *really* deep:<br><br>www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber -of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/I'm trying to be objective* (sorry haha)@Anonymous Zimmer's best? Well... I'm trying to be subjective:<br>IMO The Thin Red Line remains the pinnacle of Hans' career from an artistic point of view. It's a turning point, though we've been used to this kind of writing since (so many scores have copied TTRL).<br><br>Inception and (especially) Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring as well. Their level of complexity is unmatched in Zimmer's discography.<br>Gladiator is another impressive score, as it combines some of the best action music, best drama and deepest emotions Hans has ever composed for a movie.<br><br>Seems like I'm quite objective here, as none of my favorites scores are on this list ! ;)Interesting you mention William Ross' role in Chamber of Secrets because I've never fully understood what his exact involvement was. Was he just an additional music composer? Or did he actually compose most of the score with John Williams only writing the suites? Just curious if you know.
I mean, the thematic situation *is* a bit messy. You've got new themes by Powell, one new Williams theme adapted by Powell, and then existing Star Wars themes adapted by Powell. I agree the credits are a bit long-winded but I can't think of a more concise way to convey all that information.<br><br>What does bother me (and maybe this is my inner fanboy talking) is that it seems to downplay Powell's role a bit, listing him second and with the use of the word "adapted" which makes him feel a bit second fiddle. Remember how William Ross "adapted" Williams' music for Chamber of Secrets, by which was meant largely copying and pasting bits from Sorcerer's Stone? I have no doubt that Powell has done a far, far more substantial job here (and they do say "composed and adapted", to be fair). Then again, it's a Star Wars score, and of course they're going to put Williams' name front and center as much as possible no matter what.<br><br>This is all such nitpicking of the highest order :pHans for Star Wars ?<br><br><br>Never.<br><br><br>Ron probably asked him first and Hans probably was like "JOHN POWELL !!"What would have happened if Ron Howard would have been the first choice to direct Solo? He would have chosen James Horner (if he wasn't dead) or try to convince Hans Zimmer to do the music. The only collaboration between Howard and maestro Williams was in the movie Far And Away.Poster in SpainA Star Wars score that sounds like a Powell score? I'm in.<br><br>From what I've heard of many people, the score is really great and apart from the Williams theme, I heard Powell also had a lot of great themes.<br><br>I cannot wait for it!
Your source?Just saw the film, really fun and faced paced movie. The score is great, it has a solid main theme by John Williams (not as great as Rey theme though) but still memorable and john powell adapts this main theme in various variations throughout the film. Star Wars fan might be dissapointed by the score because this overall sounds like a typical Powell score which doesn’t really sound like a typical Star Wars movie. Still fans of Powell will love this new score.La La-Land is going to release the scorePowell adapted ideas from Williams (i think in one interview, he saids the new themes come from tunes by Williams)Music providen by additional composers, mean like, diferent version or re-arranged parts from a cue
Sorry about my lack of knowledge on this...but somebody can explain me what means "Additional Music"?.<br><br>I know somebody composed the score, sometimes the same person is the arranger or orchestrator (like ussually do John Williams), but "Additional Music"??? I'm lost like always...Anyone else think the credits are too complicated? Why not just have "Han Solo theme by John Williams" and "Score by John Powell"? I know that Powell directly quotes some Williams cues, but I dunno. That's an overly complicated cover, in my opinion.I saw it in Paris, amazing show, my favourite after Zimmer's oneI think that credit connected with John Williams's music from the original Star Wars movies. So, Herbert Spencer was the original orchstrator on the first three movies (New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi). More of that, he's been credited on Rogue One: A Star Wars Story as orchestrator. All other people usually works with John Williams, except Mark Graham, who's heading music preparation in almost every Hollywood movies now (Jo Ann Kane Music Services)I am increasingly seeing two separate credits for the orchestration role: one being the usual "Orchestrated By" and the other is this "Additional Orchestrations" credit. I can understand what one might mean by "additional music" but what differentiates these two orchestration roles from one another?
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  1. Drive From The Country (1:25)
  2. Empty House - Charlies Memories (1:23)
  3. Drive To The Bank And Wallbrook (1:26)
  4. Leaving Wallbrook (1:43)
  5. Traffic Accident And Aftermath (4:05)
  6. Train Crossing - Walk Dont Run - Farmhouse (2:53)
  7. Putting Ray To Bed (2:15)
  8. On The Road (1:24)
  9. Las Vegas (7:01)
  10. Charlie Tries To Hug Raymond (1:05)
  11. Smoke Alarm - Freaked - Baby Burn (1:27)
  12. Pancakes - My Main Man (2:42)
  13. Train Station Goodbye (1:59)
  14. End Credits (3:19)
  15. Leaving Wallbrook - On The Road (2:53) (Bonus Track)
  16. Las Vegas - End Credits (8:21) (Bonus Track)
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JD reply Replies: 1 || 2018-04-03 13:55:40
Are you saying Gergeli suplied you a bootleg tape? Fine, let's hear the evidence now please - otherwise we might look at who you are and start to inspect a court case for defamation. I hope you have proof and we don't have to make you go to jail for perjury.


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 15:45:35
Perjury? I didn't know that posting on HZ.com was tantamount to swearing yourself in, or did I miss something in the fine print?

JD reply Replies: 4 || 2018-04-01 09:24:24
Notefornote is issuing a 1,000 CD limited edition of the score. They posted a clip on their facebook page showing an example of the quality of the sound.



Hybrid Soldier2018-04-01 13:00:17
Yeah, in fact I couldn't wait to get rid of that old horrible Perseverance CD... That new one will be ok.


Oscarilbo2018-04-02 16:05:16
Thanks for the heads up! It sounds freakin-tastic compared to the Perseverance release! that buying experience left a pretty bad taste in my mouth!


Oscarilbo2018-04-02 20:30:56
Ordered!
I now wonder how did they found a better source ?
Or should I ask, how in the hell did Perseverance got that awful source ?


Jack Sparrow2018-04-03 02:32:41
I can say that the source for the Perseverance release came from that fella Robin hired to produce it, Gergely? I once spoke to somebody about this and he told me that the source was a tape that may or may not have contained MP3 files.

I spoke to Robin about this years later. He shrugs and argues he couldn't have canceled the release so he released it. The new album from Note for Note is explained by Ford on FSM. It's tapes and a real digital source. Seems from listening to the samples its light years better. Deeper sound, definition. If anybody is to blame for the previous release it's that guy Gergely.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-27 19:16:49
I miss this kind of music which compsed by hans ...

mittens reply Replies: 1 || 2018-01-13 22:36:31
The quality is so bad! So bad! Dear God! Looks like they downloaded the bootleg version and made from it this cd. Is that even legal??


Mandarin2018-01-14 11:04:42
Cry from the heart :D

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2010-09-07 00:00:00
Yes it's confirmed... ;)


Yumbo2013-12-23 23:28:11
It just made it it iTunes. Quality is better than the bootleg.


al bundy2013-12-24 15:52:53
it's even better on CD in lossless quality, than itunes compressed sh*t.

Stalker reply Replies: 0 || 2011-01-15 00:00:00
Nicolai ...You negative person first over at Intrada, then FSM and now here...sad indeed

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Evers reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-15 00:00:00
I agree with Nicolai... The sound quality is very, very bad.

Disappointing in spite of the beauty of the score...

Nicolai reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-12 00:00:00
it is a total shame this score found its way to an official release.
The SOUND quality is not even near at, what you usally expect from LIMITED EDTION official releases now-a-days.

@ adrian,
yes... it is way cooler to have an official album than a boot. But still I am so sad/upset that no real effort was put in to do a real good remaster of the score.

Instead the folks behind this release, excuses in the liner notes:
"This album was transferred from really crappy analog files. Although every effort was made to reduce anomalies inherent in these files, such as tape hiss or warble, some still persist."
Hey... WTF... if you don't have the right master-material, don't do a release then!!!

I'll stick with my 2 HZ tracks from the CAPITOL RECORDS release, whenever I am in the mood to listen to the awesome oscar nominated score for Rain Man.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-11 00:00:00
@ Cloud,

That's a shame... Rain Man deserved a good score!
But now you have an original disc with a booklet ;-) Thats cooler than a boot.
I wonder why Zimmer did not want to participate or even be consulted.

Well, I still want to buy it, as soon amazon releases it!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
@ Cloud,

So how does Rain Man sound? Is it like the End Credits that is on the OST disc? Or worse?

And has it more material than the bootleg around?

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
I haven't received my copy of the CD yet, but I can pretty much guarantee you it's not even close to the quality of the 2 tracks on the old Capitol soundtrack release. Unfortunately.

As for the content on the CD, it's basically the same as the "bootleg", minus the other mix of the Smoke Alarm cue. I'm not sure which of the two are included on the CD though. (And one cue seem to be splitted in two tracks (or it was originally 2 cues...))

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
@ Per : How can you "pretty much guarantee" the quality of the sound: You haven't heard it yet. And by the way: either there is a guaranty or there is no guaranty. There is no such thing as a "pretty much guaranty" ;)

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
The sound quality is pretty much the same as on the bootleg, which is absolutely terrible for an official release. It seems they upped the bass and volume a bit, but I can't really tell the difference between this and the boot. I thought the quality would be better, to be honest. Alas, a huge disappointment.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
So I received my copy today and guess what's written on the back of the booklet: "This album was transferred from really crappy analog files. Although every effort was made to reduce anomalies inherent in these files, such as tape hiss or warble, some still persist." :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-07 00:00:00
well, then they deserve that people hunt for vootlegs then when they dont co-opperate...
Shame on Remote Control!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-06 00:00:00
@Trent Easton Navarro
-1

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-05 00:00:00
That is a shame that they refused to participate...

Andrew reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-30 00:00:00
Apparently they tried, but Hans and his studio were not interested in participating.

Kaya reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-30 00:00:00
From what I understood no one ever talked to Hans about it anyway. They were going forward with the release and he didn't even know about it.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-28 00:00:00
@Trent Easton Navarro
+1

MK reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-20 00:00:00
Very nice! Ordered!!

Trent Easton Navarro reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-19 00:00:00
Ah, the good old days when Zimmer was still creative and didn't rely on 200 ghost writers... Looking forward to this one.

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-19 00:00:00
Just edition for a great piece. Rain Man is brilliant!! ZIMMER is brilliant!!!!!!

Jon reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
This is awesome! The first score of Zimmer that gets the special treatment. I love it!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
I wouldn't judge the sound quality by the website samples... I think if the sound was at all inferior they would have said so on the website so anyone who ordered would be aware.

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
Well, it's the complete score, more or less, as heard in the film anyway.

Unfortunately, due to Zimmer & co (according to Robin Esterhammer (Perseverance Records) in the FSM forum) "flat out refused" to work with them on the project, they only "...had access to a safety copy of the recording sessions.", meaning it doesn't have as good quality as it could, and should, have !

I would assume this to be from the same, or a very similar, source as the old unreleased (or 'bootleg' if you will) is from. I haven't heard the whole CD yet, of course, so this is based solely on the few samples available for listen.

I fear this might be the "guideline" of other older score Zimmer releases in the future too; A label manage to do a deal to release a score, but then no great source of the score is to be found, and only excists in the composer's hands, but he refuses to help, and it ends with them using a not-so-great backup tape copy of the score located on some desk someplace, or nothing is to be found, and the release won't happen at all :(

Would not surprise me if the Zimmer - "popularity" goes down a little after this ... it certainly did for me ! (Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about this release causing the Zimmer-popularity to drop, but the fact that he refuses to even help out on getting his older scores released.)

Nevertheless, a big thanks to Perseverance Records for doing this release. Remember, only 2000 copies available, so don't wait too long before you buy it ! :)

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-18 00:00:00
I'd say there's like 4 themes or sub-themes in Rain Man, Ele ! :)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
That's it guys !! :D

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
Whoehoe :D This is great!!

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