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Anyone know of a proper chronological listing of this score? I tried cross-referencing it with the expanded listed here and made this:<br><br>01 Dublin, 1996<br>02 <br>03 <br>04 <br>05 Second Warning<br>06 Research<br>07 Driving<br>08 The Beating<br>09 Traynor Lies<br>10 Never Show Your Fear<br>11 Preparations<br>12 The Killing<br>13 Bad News<br>14 The Funeral<br>15 One More Day<br><br>But I have no idea where Conversations, First Warning, and Deceit goes, and I'm not sure if Traynor Lies and Driving are placed correctlyif you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap<br>..................<br><br>Fair enough....But look back on the comment itself. It's kinda confusing. The way you wrote it created the illusion that Lorne not only ghostwrote the score, but he also dismissed it as crap. You didn't say "I dismissed the rumor". You said: "...a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap." <br> <br><br>Anyway, moving on.....<br><br>Steve was interviewed a lot about The Last Knight and it's pretty obvious that he worked hard on that score. From the day they started shooting the movie. Was he supported by other composers? Absolutely. You can't score such a huge movie by yourself. Any composer who claims that is lying.<br><br>So there's nothing shocking or surprising about the fact that other composers were involved here. As for them being "Lorne's people"......well, considering how MV/RC-related composers work and how interconnected everything is, the "Lorne guys" could very well be friends with Steve too and perhaps he simply brought them on board. Or they were recommended by Lorne. It certainly doesn't mean that there was this top secret plan of them and Lorne actually ghostwriting the entire score. I still wonder tho......how do these rumors even come up? Who spreads them? And why? I ask because this is not the first time I've heard rumors about Zimmer scores and Jablonsky scores. It's always these two guys. Which happen to be two of the most prominent and popular MV/RC guys. Coincidence? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it kinda makes me think that someone is intentionally trying to undermine the biggest MV/RC names by constantly throwing shade at their work."Deserving" is a word that doesn't exist in Hollywood, so stop thinking that way... lolThe problem I have with Junkie XL scoring Avatar is just that there are so many RCP composers better or more deserving. You have Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Mancina, Jackman, Wallfisch...it is just so wrong to think Junkie XL is scoring Avatar and none of those guys are.I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.
@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Hornerís classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And Iím not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I canít help but wondering if thereís some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think youíre pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I donít care who wrote it Iím just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.
Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to GoNot to mention that Steve and Lorne structure their power anthems differently.<br>To me this score sounds like 100% Steve
I wouldn't say so, Lorne stacks his ostinatos and rhythms on top of each other (see Blackwood, Last Man on the Moon) and shotguns piano writing all over his scores in addition to using it for almost any kind of emotional scene (see Manny, Duck Shoot, Brothers Theme from Hurricane Heist)Well, if all we're using to distinguish Lorne is ostinatos and piano writing, then in that case, he's all over this film!The interesting thing is, that if Lorne did work on it, his work is indistinguishable from Steve's cause I hear none of his ostinatos or extensive piano writing.@Hybrid, a while ago I saw a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap.<br>But looking at the credits I see some people from his team have been involved( his assistant Queenie Li as music coordinator, and Max Aruj and Steffen Thum did arrangements..)<br>Do you know why and to which extent he was involved or why his team worked on the score?This little gem of a score is one of my favourites of Lorne's smaller projects.<br>Got a great main theme and varying instrumentations of it throughout, plus he's using a real orchestra which is always good. (Check out The Heist, very upbeat jazzy piece)
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Unstoppable
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 42'20
HZimmer.com rating:        3/5
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  1. Stanton, PA (3:33)
  2. Frank Barnes (2:11)
  3. Will's Story (1:56)
  4. Ned (2:08)
  5. Dewey (2:25)
  6. Not A Coaster (2:18)
  7. "Are You In Or Are You Out?" (6:13)
  8. Realign The Switch (3:10)
  9. Galvin's Strategy (2:25)
  10. Playing Chicken With Trains (1:35)
  11. Will Guides 1206 (4:04)
  12. The Stanton Curve (6:02)
  13. "Who Do I Kiss First?" (4:20)
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Snake reply Replies: 5 || 2011-07-18 06:01:09
There are two missing musicians there. Heitor Pereira and Tony Morales. I have the soundtrack so if you ask me an image of it I'll gladly send you that guys.


Anonymous2011-07-18 06:07:04
you have unreleased music?


Snake2011-07-19 01:44:23
Unrealesed music?WTF?


Snake2011-07-26 07:36:41
I bought the Original Soundtrack and there are missing credits such as Heitor Pereira and Tony Morales on Guitars and Hugh Marsh on violin and Ryeland Allison isn't the music programmer, that is Anthony Lledo. Richard Whitfield, Jamie Luker and Del Spiva are also included in the Soundtrack.


Snake2011-07-26 07:39:47
I bought the Original Soundtrack and there are missing credits such as Heitor Pereira and Tony Morales on Guitars and Hugh Marsh on violin and Ryeland Allison isn't the music programmer, that is Anthony Lledo. Richard Whitfield, Jamie Luker and Del Spiva are also included in the Soundtrack.


Snake2011-07-26 07:52:29
I forgot some other credits: Halli Cauthery and Hybrid as additional music programmers, Booker White as copyist and Tim Lauber as recordist

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-11 00:00:00
@Rango
I felt the same when I heard it, but i don't think that he wanted to steal the tune. What really feds me up is the fact that some cues sound almost exacly like Pelham 123 :S

Prott reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-11 00:00:00
Rango: I don`t think it`s Harry`s fault (I can`t imagine he did it because he wanted to).
... Probably someone really liked the temp track.

Rango reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-11 00:00:00
this is a soundtrack where i have to say, and I am a HGW-fan, shame on you harry!!!
Such a bad score, just some ugly cracking beats and that's it. And then having the idea of doing such an immense copy of WHY SO SERIOUS is absolutely... oh man. I can't believe that he earned with that score so much money.

I'm wondering if Hans has heard some cues of it, especially the brutally rip-off of his track for the Joker. Everything is there, the guitar theme, the one note that gets higher, the rusty violins and cellos...

Absolutely wow, and really shame on you Harry for this :/

It has a beautiful melody in there but too short and then always put together with that immense rip-off.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-12-30 00:00:00
The Stanton Curve = Why So Serious?

Falconet from Italy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-12-01 00:00:00
Here's some addittional credits :

Ryeland Allison: music programmer
Justin Caine Burnett: composer: additional music
Hybrid composer: additional music
Martin Tillman: soloist: electric cello

cameron reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-25 00:00:00
Frank Barnes is great sound track was copies from Indian Bollywood music...but great work

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-19 00:00:00
@asd,

Ah thanks! That strange American style... I don't get why they do it here, since they are French!
Maybe BECAUSE they're French...........

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-19 00:00:00
Yes, it's a little confusing, as it's usually year / month / day. Here it's month / day / year. Oh, well... btw. my (autographed) copy got shipped out today, yay! ;)

asd reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-18 00:00:00
@Adrian: hahaha no buddy. not july ^^. it's the 7th december ;P

Mcbain reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-18 00:00:00
Those are the best soundclips from a Tony Scott movie I've heard in a long time! Hopefully the rest of the score is just as good! Go Harry!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-18 00:00:00
Thanks for the tip!

It sounds like a fusion of Bourne and Wolverine... especially Frank Barnes!

But it sounds very good, I'll most likely buy this one :-) Hopefully Bol.com will offer the autographed copies too! Why did they announce it now, but release it in July? That's so long away... Are they waiting to see if the film is a succes? Or are they afraid of a Season of the Witch-repeat?

HGW4 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-17 00:00:00
La La Lands Records website has some sound clips up....they were also selling autographed copies...

tomPoland reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-17 00:00:00
Sounds like Deja Vu 2 (at least in the movie)

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-17 00:00:00
Great score, just saw the film! Lots of samples from DEJA VU are used

Todd reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-16 00:00:00
Where can we hear sound slips?

HGW4 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-12 00:00:00
So excited....

David reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
I Love Harry Gregson WIlliams.
The Best Composer ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harry reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
100 Copies with the sign!!!!!

RuthlessGravity reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
Wow, a month away from release of the actual movie? That sucks, but I guess it shouldn't be that much of a problem considering we are going to get it eventually.

Wayne reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-10 00:00:00
Incredible!!!!
One of the best Gregson!!!
I can't stop listening the track number 3(beautiful) and the top action track number 6,10,11.
''Who Do i Kiss First?'' i'ts amazing!!Wow!!
Great work Harry!!
Congratulations!!!

Dakota reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
Damn, why such a late release date? I hope it's good

Lasse reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
i really look forward to this one :)
Harry Gregson Williams music in tony scott style :)
hell yeah :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
from what reviews are saying it's totally forgettable. Typical Harry and Tony borefest

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
Considering I've enjoyed their past few collaborations (namely Deja Vu), I remain optimistic!

Jaros428 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
here's the tracklisting....

1. Stanton, PA
2. Frank Barnes
3. Will's Story
4. Ned
5. Dewey
6. Not A Coaster
7. Are You In Or Are You Out?
8. Realign The Switch
9. Galvin's Strategy
10. Playing Chicken With Trains
11. Will Guides 1206
12. The Stanton Curve
13. Who Do I Kiss First?

Jaros428 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
also, here's what a reviewer on Cine Talk said about the score....

"Harry Gregson-Williams score is very good, although it does sound very similar to THE DARK KNIGHT score, in some ways itís better, because it really fits the feel of the picture. When these two, Gregson-Williams and Scott, get together, its always great. I did notice that there were some cues from AVP2 score too".

Jon reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-27 00:00:00
Awesome. And it comes from La-La-Land, which is an excellent label.

HGW4 reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-27 00:00:00
I can't wait!!!!!

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