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Yes that Salazar theme does basically take a segment from the Blackbeard theme, lets not be kidding ourselves. But Ill reserve judgment until I hear the full rendition.Thanks Hybrid<br><br>Merci Hybrid &#128512;It is the Black Beard theme with a new arrange. Maybe exist some reason behind thisI'm actually pretty excited by what I'm hearing. Carina's new theme is nice and I love the orchestral energy Geoff brings to this one. The one gripe I have with this so far is that Salazar's theme, at least the beginning, is almost Blackbeard's theme note for note. It even has some of the same instrumentation. Other than that, I tip my hat to Geoff.It sounds very much like the intro motif from Blackbeard theme, not the theme itself, although not the same exact notes neither.<br><br>I think is merely intentional to these have the same "DNA", is not accident. Remember Zanelli was heavily involved in Stranger Tides, much more than the trilogy.
My teenager daugther and I are looking  forward to seing you in  Barcelona.  It would be the nicest gift I could ever give to her for her 18th birthday.I discovered today that Lorne will be scoring/has scored the upcoming movie 'Churchill' Awesome stuff!Hybrid - what did you like/not like about it?Quite the opposite most people (who care) were/are looking forward to seeing what Geoff Zanelli would do after the uninspiring On Stranger Tides.<br><br>Having said that I'm not feeling this one. I'm glad it was composed by someone who wanted to do it but I think Hans' creativity is missed, honestly. For all the talk about ghost-writers (which I've argued about on here a few times), it's telling when you hear the original work of people who've arranged his compositions and compare.<br><br>I will say one thing in defence of it. Last time out (with OST) we got our first exposure to the score back when there was a possibility the film would still be good. Sadly it's been confirmed as shit and I wonder if that biases my view when listening to it and makes me less receptive.The suite brought tears to my eyes. The music I hope is Carina's theme is too beautiful for words.
I imagine some kind of connection between Salazar and Blackbeard. Not that is in the movie, may be conceptual, but I don't think is "accidental" or laziness. It sounds pretty intentionalthis sounds nothing at all like davey jones.  or blackbeard as other people said.  i think many people decided not to like this score before it came out.  that's all i think when i see these comments.  is anyone actually listening?just a recall of the Davy Jones first appearance music : <br>https://youtu.be/Lhb4FccPrOI?t=2m58ssalazar's theme guys : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL7vHk9sq3s&ab_channel=disne ymusicJust read that on film music reporter . Lorne has to be the most in demand composer at the moment . Amazing how busy he is and really enjoying his score to Genius
That's not surprising to hear, this series really has become one big cash grab (moreso than it already was)<br><br>I'm really excited to hear the full score on album when it drops, Geoff is enormously talented. Judging by the suite alone there really aren't any new moments that pop out to me or scream <br>memorable. Even On Stranger Tides managed to fit in some pretty solid new ideas, and a decent album presentation outside of the remixes.<br><br>Also, is it just me or is the recording a bit flat?Does ol Hector Barbossa get his own theme or do they use Becketts again?Well I saw the film today as well and I can't express how disappointed I was by it... Such a mess, with a bunch of horrible things and some good ones halas buried in the rest...<br><br>As for the score, it flows better on CD, but Geoff did really good, much better than the 4th.The Suite sounds great and the music from the instagram video the director Joachim Ronning posted is at around the 0:25 second mark I think but Geoff Zanelli did great with this.Eh, I'm not really like Blackbeard's - I mean Salazar's theme. It sounds like a temped mix of the Blackbeard theme and Ramin's Kaiju theme from Pacific Rim.<br><br>The rest sounds pretty good, especially the references to "Marry Me"<br><br>Hybrid, what are your impressions of the full thing?
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  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 11:11:15
Medigo
Yes that Salazar theme does basically take a segment from the Blackbeard theme, lets not be kidding ourselves. But Ill reserve judgment until I hear the full rendition.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 10:57:40
Manulder
Thanks Hybrid

Merci Hybrid &#128512;
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 04:03:16
Olivia
It is the Black Beard theme with a new arrange. Maybe exist some reason behind this
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 02:41:40
Brent
I'm actually pretty excited by what I'm hearing. Carina's new theme is nice and I love the orchestral energy Geoff brings to this one. The one gripe I have with this so far is that Salazar's theme, at least the beginning, is almost Blackbeard's theme note for note. It even has some of the same instrumentation. Other than that, I tip my hat to Geoff.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 02:17:51
Oscarilbo
It sounds very much like the intro motif from Blackbeard theme, not the theme itself, although not the same exact notes neither.

I think is merely intentional to these have the same "DNA", is not accident. Remember Zanelli was heavily involved in Stranger Tides, much more than the trilogy.
  Hans Zimmer Live 2017 (Shows)2017-05-25 02:04:09
Carlos
My teenager daugther and I are looking forward to seing you in Barcelona. It would be the nicest gift I could ever give to her for her 18th birthday.
  Genius (EP) (TV Series)2017-05-25 01:23:55
JJ
I discovered today that Lorne will be scoring/has scored the upcoming movie 'Churchill' Awesome stuff!
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 01:06:40
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Hybrid - what did you like/not like about it?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 00:27:23
iii
Quite the opposite most people (who care) were/are looking forward to seeing what Geoff Zanelli would do after the uninspiring On Stranger Tides.

Having said that I'm not feeling this one. I'm glad it was composed by someone who wanted to do it but I think Hans' creativity is missed, honestly. For all the talk about ghost-writers (which I've argued about on here a few times), it's telling when you hear the original work of people who've arranged his compositions and compare.

I will say one thing in defence of it. Last time out (with OST) we got our first exposure to the score back when there was a possibility the film would still be good. Sadly it's been confirmed as shit and I wonder if that biases my view when listening to it and makes me less receptive.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 00:27:23
Joseph Solano
The suite brought tears to my eyes. The music I hope is Carina's theme is too beautiful for words.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 00:24:45
Oscarilbo
I imagine some kind of connection between Salazar and Blackbeard. Not that is in the movie, may be conceptual, but I don't think is "accidental" or laziness. It sounds pretty intentional
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 00:11:35
huh?
this sounds nothing at all like davey jones. or blackbeard as other people said. i think many people decided not to like this score before it came out. that's all i think when i see these comments. is anyone actually listening?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-25 00:05:02
bbs27
just a recall of the Davy Jones first appearance music :
https://youtu.be/Lhb4FccPrOI?t=2m58s
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 23:13:51
Max Potcats
salazar's theme guys : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL7vHk9sq3s&ab_channel=disne ymusic
  Dunkirk2017-05-24 23:10:50
Anton
Just read that on film music reporter . Lorne has to be the most in demand composer at the moment . Amazing how busy he is and really enjoying his score to Genius
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 23:06:17
mpolonest123
That's not surprising to hear, this series really has become one big cash grab (moreso than it already was)

I'm really excited to hear the full score on album when it drops, Geoff is enormously talented. Judging by the suite alone there really aren't any new moments that pop out to me or scream
memorable. Even On Stranger Tides managed to fit in some pretty solid new ideas, and a decent album presentation outside of the remixes.

Also, is it just me or is the recording a bit flat?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 23:04:04
Eric
Does ol Hector Barbossa get his own theme or do they use Becketts again?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 22:56:21
Hybrid Soldier
Well I saw the film today as well and I can't express how disappointed I was by it... Such a mess, with a bunch of horrible things and some good ones halas buried in the rest...

As for the score, it flows better on CD, but Geoff did really good, much better than the 4th.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 22:51:39
Eric
The Suite sounds great and the music from the instagram video the director Joachim Ronning posted is at around the 0:25 second mark I think but Geoff Zanelli did great with this.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 22:36:31
mpolonest123
Eh, I'm not really like Blackbeard's - I mean Salazar's theme. It sounds like a temped mix of the Blackbeard theme and Ramin's Kaiju theme from Pacific Rim.

The rest sounds pretty good, especially the references to "Marry Me"

Hybrid, what are your impressions of the full thing?
  Dunkirk2017-05-24 22:14:34
Dragonseeker
Lorne Balfe attached to score Horse Soldiers.

They guy is everywhere.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 22:10:09
Micah
Then again, I assume 9:40 is the new adventure theme?

Also, 9:40 is the best part of the suite. Can't get enough of it.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 21:59:37
Micah
Thanks, Hybrid. Once again, you're the man!

Anyone know what the theme at the beginning is? I assumed it was Carina's theme, but it could be the new adventure theme instead?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 21:56:35
Crisp Rat
Is that Blackbeard's theme at 2:15? Is that a flashback or is it just a lazy reuse of themes?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 21:39:34
GPrice
My man. Thank you
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 21:34:37
Hybrid Soldier
OK here is a suite I made of it !
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 21:28:53
Iamtommie
www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=17548


Geoff Zanelli about the new Pirates movie, the soundtrack and the character themes in the movie.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 17:14:27
Waymann
Just when we thought there would be no remixes on this soundtrack. The digital release will included a bonus track with this piece of shit track: https://youtu.be/wJDKqkbXIT0 by Dimitri Vegas en Like Mike (those guys who play music with there macbooks and usb sticks.)

Nobody asked for this track. This is going to the trash once the soundtrack is downloaded on my ipad.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 10:05:08
Cayman
I have to admit, that new adventure theme it's stuck in my head all day. Don't know how suddenly popped up into my head.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 09:56:16
Randy Watson
There are a lot of ways to describe the Pirates scores, but "original" or "never heard something like that before", certainly not.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 02:48:47
Oscarilbo
Well... Zanelli composed Tia Dalma and the percussive Island music from the past trilogy at the least... also the spaniards theme from OST which was my favorite new theme.

in a new interview Zanelli explains that he, both directors and Zimmer sat down to decide on the new music, so Zimmer is still present... search the interview in filmmusicmg.com
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 02:26:09
Max Potcats
no Eric sorry but there is nothing noticeable in the score for Barbossa. Nothing new i mean :/
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 02:21:16
Eric
Does Barbossa have a theme in Dead Men Tell No Tales?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 02:19:09
Max Potcats
Ok guys, I just saw the movie too, in "avant-premi&#232;re" in France. I must begin by saying i'm a huge fan of PotC since 10 years now, and especially thanks to the music, such original for a "hollywood movie". I remember myself earing the Singapore theme in the theatre, and thinking "ooh my god, I've never heard something like that before ! It's sooo coool !". And, I have never heard anything like this since in others blockbusters. The scores was very uniques.
Since 10 years now i'm a fan of Zimmer too and i know every single note of every Pirate film, and i'm not kidding.
So the movie was ok, great beginning, disappointing ending but LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SCORE !!!

First of all, Zanelli is not Zimmer. It's simple : after watching any pirate movie (even OnStTi) we had a new theme in mind (The Main Theme, the Kraken Theme, Davy Jones, Hoist the Colors, One Day, Up Is Down, Mermaids etc.). Here, we don't. The music "feels pirate" but that's all ; no remarquable new great theme... sorry guys. Well, the only really remarquable is the Salazar's theme, between The Kraken, BlackBeard and Davy Jones, but we just remember the rock guitar, not the melody ;-(

It's hard to admit, especially from a fan who expected a lot from Zanelli, but the Soundtrack is just another hollywood soundtrack, barely remarkable, without originality. The greats themes are these from the others movies, the Zimmer's ones. And very often that's almost exactly the same : "Day One" in the beginning ; "Barbossa Is Hungry" or the Beckett's Death music in "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time" is steel for the climax of potc5...

So, i'm nor waiting the soundtrack anymore, maybe IF there is some suites in it, but I don't think so... Too Bad. I miss Zimmer and Verbinski ;-(
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 02:17:33
Micah
Somebody on Reddit posted that the soundtrack is already on sale at Disneyland.
  Genius (EP) (TV Series)2017-05-24 02:16:38
Andreas
I loved Chappie . Why didn't he worked with the other composers from the film ?
  Genius (EP) (TV Series)2017-05-24 02:06:03
Gustavo
It seems to be a feature film I think but why not work with Zimmer again ?
  Batman V Superman - Dawn Of Justice2017-05-24 02:01:21
mpolonest123
My heart definitely goes out to Zack Snyder, I hope his family will pull through. Regardless of opinion, I think he is an enormously talented director who never got quite as much credit as he deserved.

Now that Joss Whedon is taking over the finishing touches on Justice League I wonder how this will affect the sound of JXL's music.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 01:58:00
kingfannypack
Where can we find out about deluxe soundtrack releases, for instance if Dunkirk was also released in a "special edition" or whichever, where could I learn or hear about it?
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 01:39:13
genius
Salazar is just another version of Davy Jones and his crew but with no motivation.

Jerry Bruckheimer -

Before OST:
"Blackbeard is probably the evilest character we've ever had"
"It harkens back more the first one."
"The beginning of a whole new adventure... a whole new fresh look to the pirates movies"
"We've got these two beautiful new characters"

Before DMTNT
"I think Salazar is the head of the family tree of the previous villains. He is the most frightening weíve ever had because heís merciless."
"What's fresh about this is the fact we're introducing these new characters"
"It's so fresh, so different, so scary"

  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 00:41:44
Ds
Well for me sadly it is just a reminder of how great the original trilogy was. The best things in this movie are the returning characters, and the returning love theme from At World's End. Aside from that, it's just like the 4th movie: another forgettable round in the same old attraction. Except this time there are some naval battles, so at least it looks like a pirates movie, which makes it just a little better than the 4th one. But still far, far below the first 3 movies.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-24 00:00:05
Waymann
Just saw the film. Was great by the way, much much beter than On Stranger Tides. Now on the score: I'm not blow away by it (Not all the new theme's are great) BUT... First the new theme for Carina and the stars is by far the best new thing in the pirates soundtrack universe. It's beautiful, something new and adventurous. The new adventure theme is actually a new variation on He's a Pirate or Jack's theme (can't really tell, need to here it again.) which has been used a lot in previous films during the action sequences. First time i heard it, it thought it was a little bit simple and unoriginal but hearing it for a multiple times in the film I really started to like it! It's good they made something new to use during the action sequences instead of the overused he's a pirate or jack's theme, It gives the movie it's own voice.

Salazar's theme was for me the most dissapointing, it sounded too much like Davy Jones and his crew, also I don't even remember it. Missed opportunity over here. But what really stood out for me are the old themes. Dear lord I got goosebumps at the end when One Day (Will & Elizabeth's theme from Pirates 3) is used, it's emotional and epic. Also the beginning of the movie has a some tragic variations of Will and Elizaberh theme from Pirates 3. Hopefully this will be on the soundtrack! Also somethimes the Marry Me suite is used shortly for Henry during action moments.

It's amazing to see that these themes, made 10 years ago, still have there effect as they are used in a new movie (it also helpes ofcourse that storylines from At World's End finally pay off in this film) and they are used in a proper way, they always fit the scene in this movie (not like in On Stranger Tides we're theme's are used in scenes that didn't have a connection to it at all). I really hope the score album will make a good represention of this films complete soundtrack, waiting another multiple years for a complete score? (the opening track in this film for exemple, or that short little string piece when Carina appolizes to Henry) I don't think I can do that. Looking forward to friday to hear what they will give us.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 23:39:24
Micah
Amazon has it listed for this Friday, May 26th.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 22:59:25
Oscarilbo
well... yeah. that's the purpose of film music... complement the images, not just being there... I had read that review, but only that critic I've seen trash the music as well...

But don't go to far.. that's exactly the type of criticism is being thrown at Spielberg/Williams lately.. and if you don't believe me, just search for WarHorse reviews.

That folkes, are how 80s and 90s film music used to work.
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 22:36:54
GPrice
Genius, to be fair, the score for At World's End got some, not a lot, but some nasty reviews as well, and for similar "reasons" as well: too loud, too bombastic, saying more than what's happening on the screen, etc. I think we just need to listen to the score and watch the movie to see for ourselves... because if anyone is like me, I love all the scores and movies except for On Stanger Tides... regardless of the poor reviews. I've been wrong before though lol
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 22:31:24
genius
"Geoff Zanelliís score is one of the most annoying of recent memory, but maybe itís not the composerís fault. For slow, dull action scenes he scores loud, propulsive music to make the audience think itís seeing something that isnít there. We get the horns of profundity and the strings of sincerity, not to mention the soaring choruses that tell us that grand things are really happening now, oh boy ó and that these people are really feeling something ó and arenít we privileged to be swept away on this epic of joy and adventure? . . . And none of it is on the screen."

...

" In the midst of all the galloping, carousing and general crazy hysteria of the movie, the score by Geoff Zanelli acts as a metaphor for the movie itself, working so hard to inspire feeling, but sounding like clanging desperation instead."

Score getting hammered as well. =


  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 22:03:28
Scott
Anyone know when the soundtrack will be released? I'd assume the day of the film's release, May 26, but usually the series' soundtracks have been released earlier. I haven't seen anything for the soundtrack on iTunes, which is a bit concerning.
  Genius (EP) (TV Series)2017-05-23 19:42:18
Peters
Any news what Oats is ??? And is Zimmer doing it also
  It's Complicated2017-05-23 19:23:07
Maureen
Loving it - I enjoy every moment
  Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales2017-05-23 17:37:42
Oscarilbo
It amaze me how volatile we as an audience are.
First we love an actor for being good, new, and fresh. Then by that, that actor keeps doing what we love him for... then we get bored and then we hate him and doom him for being what he "has become"...

suddenly he is a "bad" actor, just for keeping doing what made him a good actor in the first place.

Yes, we are also part of why hollywood is what it is now. We all are part of the same game of shallowness.
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